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9 LEE Posted: Tue, Jul 4 2017 9:02 PM

Here's a question....

Lets say, for instance, you have a BeoVision 7-40 Mk3, a BeoSound 3200 and some BeoLab 8000's (I picked those at random, but you may have other equipment of course) - and you're a real BeoFan. You've had the brand for years, and your ever-faithful B&O is getting old, dated - and frankly doesn't have the features all your friends and neighbours have. Technology has moved on at a rapid pace, etc... and it's time to upgrade.

You've seen the price of the new equipment - and your old equipment is practically worthless, compared to what you paid for it when new.

Is the leap from 'very little' to 'ultra-premium' (by today's standards and prices) a leap too far now? Your equipment is worth, say, £1,500 in px against a replacement system costing £13,000 (14-40, Moment and BeoLab 18).

Even if you can afford that jump, would you do it? Would you still be mindful that technology will keep advancing - and that the TV and the Moment at least may well be almost worthless yet again in 5 years thanks to technological advances? ......

Upgrade time...

What would / will you do?

  • Stay completely loyal to the brand. I don't care how much it is to upgrade. (3.2%)
  • Try and negotiate the best deal I can on ex-demo equipment. New prices are too much (9.5%)
  • Try and buy a mixture of new/ex-demo and used from official dealers or resellers. (38.1%)
  • The financial gap is too far now. I'll sell my old kit myself then look at nearly new and/or used (14.3%)
  • Too much of a gap for me now. I'm leaving the brand but will always be a fan and may return (14.3%)
  • Had enough of B&O. There's just as good out there at the moment for way less money (11.1%)
  • Other. *Please state on the thread (9.5%)
  • Total Votes: 63
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Kromer replied on Tue, Jul 4 2017 9:25 PM

I voted 'Try and buy a mixture of new/ex-demo and used from official dealers or resellers.'

because that's what I do with audio equipment. But that's only for audio, I wouldn't dream of buying a tv that expensive with technology that goes out of date so fast.

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vikinger replied on Tue, Jul 4 2017 10:26 PM

Technological change is moving too fast. The old Avant was the best TV ever.... until CRT was overtaken by LCD. £5000 TV became worth £50 almost overnight. I'm even questioning whether vintage equipment is worth restoring with new capacitors etc. Maybe best kept as something just to look at whilst getting audio from latest tech from other than B&O (probably containing ICEpower .....)

B&O USP's are diminishing fast. Motorised stands are arguably less necessary when new screens are viewable from a wide range of viewing positions. Acoustic lenses seem to be being abandoned in favour of background music with no sound stage.

Visitors never fail to be impressed by my hinged BV11, but the day will come when visitors are no longer impressed and ask why I didn't get a competitor's more technologically advanced product at 10% of the price or less.

Graham

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vikinger replied on Tue, Jul 4 2017 10:28 PM

Reply gone to moderation. Maybe time to upgrade something else too!

Graham

(EDIT Post has now appeared above).

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I voted, 'Had enough of B&O. There's just as good out there at the moment for way less money.'

For many years I have been B&Os biggest fan but in recent years my passion for the brand has faded a lot. I will try to be constructive with my criticism and share my honest feelings.

Looking at B&O historically - in terms of when my passion started to when it faded - it is obvious (in my case) that what I fell in love with was the David Lewis designs primarily, and Jensen prior to that. These designers are now gone, and with them their genius and imagination. It seems to me that B&O are trying to hold on to this design legacy by creating similar designs to the originals; some typical examples include BL17s (replacement BL4000s), BeoVision 10/11/14 & Avant (replacement BV5/9 & BCAV5), BL19 (replacement BL2), BL18 (replacement BL8000s) and so on. I find this a lazy effort and lack of creation from a company as established as B&O. If it were a different company I would expect it, but it is disappointing to see a leading design company such as B&O make such a small effort.

It is about the money in terms of having a product that feels it is value of money but only this. I would happily spend the higher price tag for a completely new radical design, utilising the latest technology, up to date connections, a product that has been built with care and attention and properly tested and quality controlled before put out for sale. Integration and software should be working at least to a 95% tested standard. Of course it would be unrealistic to expect a 100% working product from any manufacturer without leaving some room for bug fixing and updates.

To be perfectly honest, I think the W7 'wallpaper' television is the best set money can buy at this moment and I would (and will be) paying the full price tag to purchase this tv in the coming months. I am just hoping for a 55" version as I can't accommodate a 65" screen so fingers crossed for the next LG release. If B&O release a tv which at least equals (or betters) ALL current specifications from their immediate competitors at the same price range, then I am likely to buy into B&O. But really, what B&O equipment can offer me anything better the W7 at the moment? Nothing. Why on earth would I now buy an existing or older B&O television at the still 'silly' prices people are asking for them when you can get the latest all singing all dancing television for much less? Now that IS value for money and money well spent. Taking a step backwards in time (as I see it) is not for me. The current OLED televisions and QLED Samsung equivalents are so thin and beautiful looking wall mounted that they make any kind of B&O television, old or new, look bulky and out of date.

With all that said, this is just my opinion and what I am personally looking for at this time. People are different and so there may still be a market for current and older B&O televisions but I firmly believe this is very limited given the speed at which technology keeps pushing the boundaries. If I were a dealer (both B&O and pre-owned) I'd be getting rid of my stock as quickly as I could and selling up. The market just isn't what it was and everybody else has not only caught up with B&O and in many cases surpassed them and rapidly leaving them behind.

In wanting to try and offer something constructive, it's difficult to know what the direction is for B&O. We know they excel at all things audio so I might be tempted to pursue this direction with some much more interesting designs and at the more affordable market, i.e. £5,000 and/or under. A few at the £10,000 market perhaps to see if there's ay interest. As for the BL90s, well that's so limited and isn't really going to keep the business afloat.

Reading posts here on the forum it seems the BeoPlay range has done well. I am pleased about that and do own an A1, which I like, but let's be honest, the majority of speakers in that range all look exactly the same with the 'punctured grille' (call it what you will) look. Hardly anything earth shattering that's going to win any design awards.

When I buy property it's always "...location, location, location!" When I 'have bought' B&O it 'was' always "...design, design, design!" Alas, where is it? What does B&O represent in today's market ... and let's use forum facts to discover the true answer? Same old design, hardware failures, software failures, out of date components/connections/features, abysmal customer service, over priced, over rated, poor quality controlled and non Danish made products ... NO THANKS.

Bottom line, B&O are just not what they once were. I keep clinging on, hoping for something radical, but always another disappointment. You loose interest eventually and look elsewhere.

Simon.

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lonfred replied on Tue, Jul 4 2017 11:53 PM
Just started to upgrade from an 20 units ML system (which now is gone with my old house) to the new wifi based BeoLink system. So far 1 Beosound Moment connected wireless to Beolab 20 and today I added one BeoPlay M5 to check the multi room function. Works really good! I am optimistic. The only thing is the X app that is not fully logical regarding the multi room functions but I hope that they will improve this. Now I am also waiting for an improved Beovision 14 hopefully without Android to add to my collection. But I have a feeling that BO is on the right way again if they now succeed with all software issues.
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Beold replied on Tue, Jul 4 2017 11:58 PM

It must be other.

B&O equipment is still very good as "output" equipment. I mean ... good speakers stays good speakers and good screens live for a long time.

It is the "input" stuff that are moving fast. Here B&O is always somewhat behind and way too expensive.

But you can easily combine modern and fast changing non B&O "input" devices like iphones, ipads, chromecasts, airports etc. with old school B&O stuff, and get the best of both worlds.

Keep your wonderfull B&O output stuff and change the cheap input stuff often.

Things like speakers and amplifiers have really not improved a lot over the last decades. Its mostly marketing and PR.

The exception to the above are the Beogram record players that are still hard to beat. And vinyl is the new black :-).

 

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Voting button seems not to work via app on phone.

I was ✅ this option

"Try and buy a mixture of new/ex-demo and used from official dealers or resellers."

When I look at my BV8 I feel pleasure, and don't see it as ugly nor old. Nonetheless I will change it for OLED either from LG or from B&O. Native speakers will sway me.

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TWG replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 6:40 AM

Lee, if you feel the strong desire for an upgrade or simply getting more B&O equipment:

- Get a Beovision 11 instead of the 14. The 11 has less problems and doesn't use that dumb Android thing.
- Buy the Beolab 18


The Beosound Moment... I don't know... for me it's one of the ugliest music systems B&O has ever done. It still looks unfinished with that cheap China-Android-Tablet thrown in... ;)

If you just need the services an Essence MK2 could be a nicer upgrade hooked up to your Beosound 3200.

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moxxey replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 9:10 AM

I voted "Too much of a gap for me now. I'm leaving the brand but will always be a fan and may return"

The reason is simple. A few years ago I followed a tried-and-tested pattern. I'd buy a B&O TV, keep it for 2-3 years, go back to my dealer, who would nearly always look after me and give me a good trade-in deal from the new TV and I'd often have to find £2000 to make the change.

In 2017 the gap is too wide. Take my (not that old) BV12-65. Superb TV, but probably only worth about £1500 or so as a trade-in. If I wanted to move up to an Avant 75", I'd have to find a large 5-figure sum...for a slightly bigger panel. Same with the forthcoming OLED 65". I'd have to find £10,000, I'd assume, for the same panel size.

The key additional problem for me, apart from the trade-in price difference, is simply the quality of the new TV compared to your existing panel. Sure the BV14-55 has a brighter and sharper panel, but is it *that* much better than my superb BV12-65? No, minimal.

So, maximum outlay, for minimum visual return.

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Agree with all of that.

Once our 7-55 is done I'm not sure what our future purchases would be. Definitely not new, but maybe new Loewe who knows. £5,000 for a Tv, but no more.

Ironically it's Beoplay that's far closer to their original routes. Yes more expensive than the competition, but portable, affordable as a treat and great to look at.

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AdamS replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 1:07 PM

I voted 'other' and my answer would be to keep what I had. If the Beovision 7, Beosound 3200 and Beolab 8000s are all still working well and doing exactly what I need them to, why would I change?

I upgrade to obtain better picture or sound quality. I do not upgrade because I feel I need new 'toys' or because my neighbours will be impressed with something newer.

As an aside, even if impressing people is what you want, I reckon most 'B&O muggles' would stil be impressed with a Beovision 7, Beosound 3200 and Beolab 8000s, no matter how old they are!

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Sibbi replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 2:09 PM

I kind of think the audio side is still ok value. I really like my beolab 17s and the 19. The beovision Horizon has been very frustrating I like the design but it is jus so incredibly unreliable. If I could buy a B&O centerspeaker, with the sound engine and wisa, and could use that with any tv. That would be excelent for me.

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moxxey replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 2:45 PM

Chris Townsend:

Ironically it's Beoplay that's far closer to their original routes. Yes more expensive than the competition, but portable, affordable as a treat and great to look at.

Very rarely disappointed with anything from BeoPlay. Good quality, price and performance. And you don't need to go into a B&O store to purchase BeoPlay products (I actually dislike walking into a B&O store in 2017 as they are, arguably, more arrogant than before, always telling me how they can't keep up with speaker demand or that they've installed 5 Avant's in the last week, etc etc - strange considering there's only ever one person managing the store!).

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shazbat replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 3:24 PM

I too voted "try to buy a mix of new/ex-demo"

However I am finding the software issues HUGELY frustrating - this is true for audio as well as video, and if I could find viable software alternatives I would switch in a heartbeat. 

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moxxey:

Very rarely disappointed with anything from BeoPlay. Good quality, price and performance. And you don't need to go into a B&O store to purchase BeoPlay products (I actually dislike walking into a B&O store in 2017 as they are, arguably, more arrogant than before, always telling me how they can't keep up with speaker demand or that they've installed 5 Avant's in the last week, etc etc - strange considering there's only ever one person managing the store!).

It's a shame that you feel that why, how do they even find the time to gloat to you??? Please come and see us when you're next in Ealing.

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Ammier replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 5:26 PM

 

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I would try and at least get some beolabs ex demo or second hand. There are good prices available on the beolab 20's, 18's etc. I think they hold their own when comes to sound and design.

However on the tv's, I completely agree with comments from Moxxey and Chris. I don't think the range is worth it when considering the tech available and depreciation. My limit would also be around £5k ish. I had a look at the Loewe bild 5 oled the other day and its great TV with a nice enough design and at £3500 its a good price. Don't get me wrong I would definitely prefer a Beovision but I cant justify it.

On beoplay its a great range but I to never buy from dealers, just general electronics retailers as you get better prices. I  think I got 20% off my H9's ordering online...

Correct me if Im wrong but wasn't the Avant 55 £5k when it came out? How did that nearly double in a few years?

 

 

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Ammier replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 5:26 PM

Just to add I would also consider a second life Avant 55 or Beovision 11, the one where you can add the wood frets, if the price was right and you dont need the latest.

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moxxey:

The key additional problem for me, apart from the trade-in price difference, is simply the quality of the new TV compared to your existing panel. Sure the BV14-55 has a brighter and sharper panel, but is it *that* much better than my superb BV12-65? No, minimal.

So, maximum outlay, for minimum visual return.

Moxxey,

With the 12-65, I would state you have a great usable TV for many years to come. Just because it is not the freshest dairy product in the cooler, don't mean you can't eat it. I would say you will get a good return on that in the long run. 

 

 

 

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Interesting views and no-doubt time are a changin'.

The game I'm currently playing is this; all the (old) speakers (BL3s) are now disseminated around the house connected to Essences and good until they die or become un-economical to service. 

TVs - buy new or lightly used, one lady owner stuff. Trickle-down every 3 years from lounge to sitting room, to bedroom 1, to bedroom 2, to office. Either it is unserviceable, can be sold privately, or p/xed to buy a stand or a remote. All in all you can get 5-7 years out of a unit. Harder if the chassis system changes (RJ45's or from ML to NL) but manageable. 

So in total, a TV costs a grand a year - which is still a fair but but not a total economic train smash.

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To add a little more.....

No compunction to keep the latest and greatest TVs. A lot of media is either poor quality or cr@p to watch anyway. 

Give me decent music, decent rendering and some proper loudspeakers to listen to and I'm happy

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moxxey replied on Wed, Jul 5 2017 9:27 PM

w5bno123:

It's a shame that you feel that why, how do they even find the time to gloat to you??? Please come and see us when you're next in Ealing.

I don't think I've ever been to Ealing :)

I think a lot of dealers like to big themselves up when you ask them how business is as I think sales people like you to think that "if we say things are amazing, customers are more likely to purchase".

I totally lost interest in any dealership when they stopped allow trade-in's, as it seems pointless to be in there!

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moxxey:

I don't think I've ever been to Ealing :)

I think a lot of dealers like to big themselves up when you ask them how business is as I think sales people like you to think that "if we say things are amazing, customers are more likely to purchase".

I totally lost interest in any dealership when they stopped allow trade-in's, as it seems pointless to be in there!

Well when you do, the invitation is there! We trade in all of the time, it's one of the main parts of our business.
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valve1 replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 7:12 AM

I voted other. I have a (several) great  B&O music system and a tv I hardly watch - why change anything ? I know I will get years out of well built equipment.

My Volkswagen has 160,000k and unless they hunt diesel off the roads I'm determined to get 400.000k. It does not have HUD or cameras or speed reading radar and (touch wood) so far no penalty points.

 

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BenSA replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 9:08 AM

I voted a mixture of new and old. If the technology for TV's only changed every 10 years then I think people would be very happy buying a B&O TV. I am not interested in buying a new TV every 2 years so a B&O TV for me is fine. Still find my Beovision 11 really beautiful and have yet to see something like that out there. Really isn't B&O's fault that the technology changes so rapidly and that consumers are buying into it.....eventually it will probably come to a halt and hopefully then B&O will seem like a good option.

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Andrew replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 9:45 AM

I voted Other and completely with Beold on this one. My BV8-32 is in an old TV cabinet a Philips Louis XV style Cabinet- it's rare, fabulous and not worth a lot as everyone wants big TV's -  I don't want to get rid of it so it will always have a TV in it - and that will always be a B&O TV that fits - as I only watch TV through an Apple TV it doesn't get used much so a brand new TV from B&O wouldn't be an option and I will have to wait until it packs up anyway and then get a second hand horizon.

On the Audio side, you can keep speakers and stuff and just add inputs - and it's actually easier to do with older equipment than new - more inputs etc. My M1000's sound fantastic and are driven by a Linn power amplifier fed from a Beolink Active - it sounds far better than the BL8000's I have in my sitting room BL6000's in the bedroom and BL3500 in the kitchen - the S45-2's connected via beolink passive in my Radio Shack sound better than the 'modern' speakers. However that's my view and M100s are big but I love the design and the sound to me is really important - listen to more music than watch TV.

But I guess a lot of it will come down to how much money you have - £14k if you have millions is peanuts, £14k to someone on a low wage is unachievable - counter that with your interests and priorities and stage in life, parent, retired etc. and it gets more complicated. Right now I could get a BV Horizon to replace my BV8 but want to get a boat instead and to me personally I'll get more pleasure from a boat than a better picture on my TV - but to someone else that isn't into sailing and loves TV then it would be a new TV - neither is right or wrong just different priorities and interests.

I think B&O have got it roughly right - a broad range of products that appeal - it is the B&O Magic that needs to be kept alive to keep customers and that is achieved through being different and quality.

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moxxey replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 2:20 PM

Andrew:

But I guess a lot of it will come down to how much money you have - £14k if you have millions is peanuts, £14k to someone on a low wage is unachievable - counter that with your interests and priorities and stage in life, parent, retired etc. and it gets more complicated. 

True, but if you go down a retail route, with stores on the high street, generally you need to appeal to the masses.

Besides, I know quite a few successful millionaires and most don't waste money. You'll be surprised. Even they tend to look around, review options and evaluate value. People who make money through grafting/business don't necessarily blow it very easily. Footballers and lottery winners, maybe.

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ed7 replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 3:09 PM

I have great admiration  for the brand (Bang&Olufsen) but i find tvs are uninspiring on the current  models /for the price i have previously bought  2brand  new tvs and earning far less money  then but found them very appealing  and could not resist ,i went to my local currys recently and seen oled LG  not the W series was stunning picture however i have seen the Sony bravia  Wow what an improvement and like the sound technology and how it sounded but do i really want to spent 5k ! on a tv now? not for me and i do not watch much tv, stream or watch on my iMac  or phone ,or watch  occasionally on my second hand bv 6-26 and 6-23 in kitchen ,occasionally watch in second living room 7-32 .And for music personally i  play my music through bc 9500 i have in the garage and blast it off connected through bluetooth play trough my i phone can not see the reason to buy a digital music centre when i have tablet or phone but hey ho everyone to their own!.

The only way forward for bang olufsen to make people buy new products perhaps and i say perhaps is PCP hire it for 1,2,3 years  with garantee future value!!that way they can reap the profit themselves and limit resellers benefits .

 

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Thats exactly what my mum used to do in the late seventies/early eighties. She's just died unfortunately , but even as a single mum she always made sure we had enough cash spare for a Beovision.

It was our little luxury, and opened up the world of B&O to us.

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BeoGreg replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 5:15 PM
I'd like to stay completely loyal to the brand but I'm not ready (anymore) to spend 10.000 € in a 55" tv set.

I'm in the market for a top notch 55" (motorised stand/speakers, anti reflections screen, alu parts...) much less than the current Avant.

It really is the problem now, sky high prices.

The Eclipse (or whatever) must sell by thousands and at 10k€ it won't when the majority is super happy with a 600 € supermarket set.

You just CAN'T attract a shopper who knows nothing about the brand with a price like that.

And that's the way to go I believe, attract new shoppers.
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9 LEE replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 7:23 PM

I think what we're finding here is that the completely loyal B&O customer, who was always happy to pay a big premium, is no longer happy to pay a big premium..  To my mind, the enthusiast of high quality who had to save up or make a 'big purchase' was the mainstay of the dealer sales (at least in the UK) - then when times were good you had the 'new wealthy' who would splash the cash.

If that's the case, you then, as a company, have to reply on the fickle tastes of the super-rich. The 'normal' customer is gone, to other brands.

Is that a good idea? Does it make financial sense? It might.. I didn't attend Harvard, and I've never worked for Mckinsey.

 

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9 LEE:

I think what we're finding here is that the completely loyal B&O customer, who was always happy to pay a big premium, is no longer happy to pay a big premium..  To my mind, the enthusiast of high quality who had to save up or make a 'big purchase' was the mainstay of the dealer sales (at least in the UK) - then when times were good you had the 'new wealthy' who would splash the cash.

If that's the case, you then, as a company, have to reply on the fickle tastes of the super-rich. The 'normal' customer is gone, to other brands.

Is that a good idea? Does it make financial sense? It might.. I didn't attend Harvard, and I've never worked for Mckinsey.

 

Well they used to refer to the 1% as holding the major wealth, and the current thinking is that it is now the 0.1%. Many say the middle class is shrinking fast.

In other words, fewer and fewer holding greater and greater wealth. But even the very wealthiest can only view one TV at a time or listen to one sound system, so B&O is chasing a shrinking market maybe with more expensive products like the BL90.

At the other end the Play range is for the 99%. Maybe B&O have got the right strategy for a niche player.... or perhaps the only strategy even though it might ultimately go nowhere.

Graham

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benoit replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 9:13 PM

I'm again referring to Loewe... They had big problems 2-3 years ago and were ready to disappear. But after the company had been bought by Mark Huesges and Boris Levin they radically changed the range and the prices are now more reasonable and the results are here again. And these changes were directly made by the new bosses who were in love with the brand and believed in it.

I don't understand why B&O cannot follow the same strategy, with visionary people and more reasonable prices.

For an Oled TV with the same 55 inches LG panel Loewe manages to propose 2 models (Bild 5 oled starting at 3990€ only, and Mild 7 oled) for almost the same price than the high end LG models... With B&O we are expecting something close to an insane 10000€... OK, B&O has better sound but not twice better and the design for a flat TV is not that much different or better than the other manufacturers.

 

Speaking about speakers, B&o seems more and more to focus on the most expensive models with the BeoLab 3 being EOL and leaving the low end to the Beoplay sound systems (but not exactly speakers).... This as well contributes to keep middle classes away from the brand.

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StUrrock replied on Thu, Jul 6 2017 10:37 PM

The Loewe analogy is a good one, there are virtually no solus UK  "Galleries" now they distribute across a range of independent dealers. Including some B&O stores selling them out of the back door.

Part ex used to be a sure fire winner for B&O to generate new sales, but the combination of less dealer margin and combined  with the price of second Hand B&O TVs plummeting this is now no longer the case.

I feel sure that the LG partnership will mean TVs being sold via distribution streams more like B&O Play, so life will again will be harder for the smaller dealers. 

So if I was i the market for an upgrade, I'd wait until the new sets arrive, as this is going to be one of the biggest changes in the BeoVision experience for a long time.

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£3,000 for a 55 inch! Amazing

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benjnz replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 3:12 AM

I think also there's the case of the big premium has increased over the years compared to what it was as well as the reduction in middle class disposable income.

I've noticed the fact that now I'm earning more than I ever did, the B&O premium has far outstripped by income, which is strange as if it was in line with my earnings compared to years ago it's still be fine.

Oh well plenty of preowned kit purchases for me thenBig Smile

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I think what we're finding here is that the completely loyal B&O customer, who was always happy to pay a big premium, is no longer happy to pay a big premium..  To my mind, the enthusiast of high quality who had to save up or make a 'big purchase' was the mainstay of the dealer sales (at least in the UK) - then when times were good you had the 'new wealthy' who would splash the cash.

If that's the case, you then, as a company, have to reply on the fickle tastes of the super-rich. The 'normal' customer is gone, to other brands.

Is that a good idea? Does it make financial sense? It might.. I didn't attend Harvard, and I've never worked for Mckinsey.

 

 

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moxxey replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 9:59 AM

benoit:

For an Oled TV with the same 55 inches LG panel Loewe manages to propose 2 models (Bild 5 oled starting at 3990€ only, and Mild 7 oled) for almost the same price than the high end LG models... With B&O we are expecting something close to an insane 10000€... 

To be fair, I hear it's a little more than €10,000. When I talked to my dealer about the new B&O OLED, which they saw in May, he didn't sound overly enthused or impressed by it, which feels slightly ominous.

I must admit, the Bild 5 is fairly impressive. Decent looking (not a stunner, but better than 95% of TVs on the market), great price.

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Loewe gets a lifestyle add spot on. I really like these designs.

https://youtu.be/j-uPkZH0NVk

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BeoGreg replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 11:30 AM
The problem with Loewe for me is that there's no puc control and no brackets for the extra boxes (Playstation, Sat...).

And the sound of the tv alone can't compete with a Beovision.

But still it's very tempting (if you can get a one remote solution and hide everything).

Stb brackets for Loewe please.
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benoit replied on Fri, Jul 7 2017 11:40 AM

BeoGreg:
And the sound of the tv alone can't compete with a Beovision.

Did you go to listen to one? I agree it's not the sound of a BeoVision but very close when you compare the Loewe upper models. I could see and listen to the Bild 7 oled (the one with the screen moving up to show the sound bar) and it was quite impressive and nor far from B&O. I own an Art UHD (now called Bild 3) and again the sound is not far from the BeoVision Horizon.

The Assist remote control can control an Apple TV and some STB boxes connected to the TV.

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