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Any V1 owners with color speaker grills?

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Michael Posted: Mon, Sep 10 2012 11:06 PM

I have a white V1 with the standard grey fret. Thinking about buying the green one, perhaps it will give something to the room or is it to subtle? Anyone here who has a similar config - with pictures? :).

I think the fret is a bit expensive for what it is. I could just as well buy a nice lithography to hang beside the tv for some nice art :)

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hitolaus replied on Tue, Sep 11 2012 7:57 AM

I too have a white V1 and bought a red speaker grill to get some contrast however it is almost impossible to see whether I'm using the red or grey.

A total waste of money. 

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jkhamler replied on Tue, Sep 11 2012 9:17 AM

Hi Michael,

I couldn't justify the cost for the barely noticeable difference. I agree, spend the same (or even less) for a nice piece of art! I think the dealer should give you a choice of colour when you buy the TV! I was also wondering if it would be possible to simply recover the existing fret with a bit of coloured fabric.

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I thought perhaps that the yellow one would stand out the most. I think the green is attractive but pity it doesn't stand out like it does on the b&o website.
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jkhamler replied on Tue, Sep 11 2012 11:07 AM

How are you enjoying your V1 anyway Michael? You're using it standalone right? Most of my usage is with the screen muted and Spotify Airplayed through it although sometimes I even watch it too ;)

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Michael replied on Tue, Sep 11 2012 2:56 PM

Hi guys, thanks for the input!

It´s a pity that the speaker fret don't to more change to the overall design of the TV. Like on the BS2500 where the  covers made a very big difference, or the MX-series with their back casing in different colors. For the price they charge for the fret you get very little back it seems.

I think it could be possible to replace the fabric yourself but the problem is probably to get the right kind of fabric. It has to be very thin to fit inside the box on the steel plate and also be "airy" enough for the speakers to sound as good as possible.

I would like a blue cover for example, perhaps it could even be possible just to paint it with spray paint, not sure I wan't to try it out however =)

Sorry to hear that you can´t see much of a difference hitolaus but I hope it makes a bit of difference at least.

Jonathan, yes I am using it as a standalone unit. It works very good at that. I use it for airplay a bit and I have been enjoying iTunes Festival a few nights this month on the V1 with great sound and video. I do think the matte screen looks a bit dated, watching video on my main tv with a glossy screen or even on my iPad, Mac or iPhone feels different with a feeling of more color and contrast compared to the matte screen.

One strange thing I have noticed is that when I play video from USB that the Natural motion-engine of the TV works much better than on DVB-C. It looks just as on my Avant, very smooth and very nice. I do think there is a big difference and perhaps it is shut of on the DVB-receiver? No way to configure it manually from what I have found.

I have had a few questions and problems which I have talked with B&O about. They have also confirmed that the TV is made in China, but I had to send a few mails to get that confirmed. However to their quality specifications and such. More or less the tv is working fine but is going to be replaced because of the paint chipping issue and that sometimes on DVB-C that my screen goes green (which I think is software but B&O wanted to replace) - and I want to wait until they have been producing it a few months so I can get a tv that is made with perhaps a few different adjustments(?).

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jkhamler replied on Tue, Sep 11 2012 5:43 PM

I completely agree. I am slightly bored of looking at it now and it would great to have a speaker cover that radically changed the look.

My first one had the paint chips too but B&O were very helpful in replacing it with a new unchipped one. They drove over and took care of the whole install including cabling and PUC setup.

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moxxey replied on Tue, Sep 11 2012 10:42 PM

Michael:

I think the fret is a bit expensive for what it is. I could just as well buy a nice lithography to hang beside the tv for some nice art :)

Totally agree. The BV10 frets are much better made and seem slightly better value for money. When I saw the V1 frets, all I could think was "they were made for a fiver!". No way did they cost more than a few pounds to produce. Was a bit shocked.

Plus it's quite hard to see the coloured fret behind the speaker, unless it's a room with a light of natural light. My dealer put the green fret behind the white V1 and I didn't even know it was behind the grill. Just looked dark.

I think the idea was good, the implementation less so.

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John replied on Wed, Sep 12 2012 7:07 AM

jkhamler:

I completely agree. I am slightly bored of looking at it now and it would great to have a speaker cover that radically changed the look.

My first one had the paint chips too but B&O were very helpful in replacing it with a new unchipped one. They drove over and took care of the whole install including cabling and PUC setup.

Sorry to hear your first unit had paint chipping, but good to hear that B&O took good care of you.

I was concerned about paint chipping when I ordered mine, and asked the dealer to attend my home, as I am within walking distance, to help with the setup of the stand, and also in case of any issues with chipping.

Fortunately, mine came with all the extra paper/light cardboard packing around the hinge area, and was chip free thank goodness.

I've got the standard silver fret, but will buy blue if one becomes available.

IMHO, the only reason the covers appear to make only a slight difference, is that because of the punched holes in the casework, and the thickness of the metal, you only 'see' the effect of the cover when you are square on to the front of the TV.  Otherwise, the natural thickness of the metal and holes being offset, means you don't see the colour of the fret when standing slightly to the side etc.

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John replied on Wed, Sep 12 2012 7:16 AM

Michael:

Hi guys, thanks for the input!

It´s a pity that the speaker fret don't to more change to the overall design of the TV. Like on the BS2500 where the  covers made a very big difference, or the MX-series with their back casing in different colors. For the price they charge for the fret you get very little back it seems.

I think it could be possible to replace the fabric yourself but the problem is probably to get the right kind of fabric. It has to be very thin to fit inside the box on the steel plate and also be "airy" enough for the speakers to sound as good as possible.

I would like a blue cover for example, perhaps it could even be possible just to paint it with spray paint, not sure I wan't to try it out however =)

Sorry to hear that you can´t see much of a difference hitolaus but I hope it makes a bit of difference at least.

Jonathan, yes I am using it as a standalone unit. It works very good at that. I use it for airplay a bit and I have been enjoying iTunes Festival a few nights this month on the V1 with great sound and video. I do think the matte screen looks a bit dated, watching video on my main tv with a glossy screen or even on my iPad, Mac or iPhone feels different with a feeling of more color and contrast compared to the matte screen.

One strange thing I have noticed is that when I play video from USB that the Natural motion-engine of the TV works much better than on DVB-C. It looks just as on my Avant, very smooth and very nice. I do think there is a big difference and perhaps it is shut of on the DVB-receiver? No way to configure it manually from what I have found.

I have had a few questions and problems which I have talked with B&O about. They have also confirmed that the TV is made in China, but I had to send a few mails to get that confirmed. However to their quality specifications and such. More or less the tv is working fine but is going to be replaced because of the paint chipping issue and that sometimes on DVB-C that my screen goes green (which I think is software but B&O wanted to replace) - and I want to wait until they have been producing it a few months so I can get a tv that is made with perhaps a few different adjustments(?).

Michael 

Hi Michael

Sorry to hear that you've been having some problems, but good that B&O are going to replace the set.

I'm quite surprised in a way to hear that the V1 is made in China; I was under the impression from previous forum comment that it was made in Struer.

On the other hand, the considerably lower price point relative to the other B&O TV's, inclines one to think more that it would be made in China than Denmark.

I have no issues with Chinese manufacture if it is made to B&O specs and the quality control is up to B&Os standards.

It's unfortunate that theres been some early production glitches with the paint chipping etc (which appeared to be more of a packing/shipping problem) and trust that B&O will speedily resolve the matter for you.

Kind regards

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Michael replied on Wed, Sep 12 2012 11:43 PM

Yes I also thought the unit was made in denmark (it says that on the stand for example) On the TV there is no mention of china but there are chinese signs on it (I thought they where just regulatory texts). I don't think it is fair play not to mention it on the product.

However it works well and I can't complain. My Macs are also made in china, the difference is that apple doesnt hide it. Try to find china on the Beoplay website =).

I don't know how they will fix my tv but I don't have time to worry about that right now anyway. 

How have you guys connected dvd/bluray? I am still confused that the manual in the tv says that there are B&O DVD and Bluray players that can be controlled via the tv. (There are no b&o blurays for V1?)

 It also says that if the red light blinks that the tv might be recording tv(?). I guess this would be perfectly possible to usb (my samsung and alot of other tvs can do this). This feature is disabled on the V1 however, and I guess they will use it in the BV11 with the same cpu. So they should enable it. 

Unfortunately impossible to get in touch with the B&O developers, I have asked B&O several times and they do not want consumers to be in contact with their developers unfortunately. 

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moxxey replied on Thu, Sep 13 2012 10:17 AM

Michael:

Unfortunately impossible to get in touch with the B&O developers, I have asked B&O several times and they do not want consumers to be in contact with their developers unfortunately. 

Some of them my be freelance or contracted companies. It's not uncommon. For that reason, I can understand why companies such as B&O wouldn't want to give out this info.

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jkhamler replied on Thu, Sep 13 2012 11:06 AM

Hi Michael, I've got mine controlling a PS3 (via a Logitech Harmony IR-BlueTooth converter), an Apple TV and a Humax FreeSat HDR box via a couple of PUC leads. It works pretty well generally with the exception of some of the more advanced commands. The store recommended a Sony or Samsung Blu-Ray player when I bought the TV (I can't remember which model). You should definitely try and get something setup - I think it's one of the best features of the TV, controlling everything from one remote.

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Michael replied on Thu, Sep 13 2012 3:22 PM
jkhamler:

Hi Michael, I've got mine controlling a PS3 (via a Logitech Harmony IR-BlueTooth converter), an Apple TV and a Humax FreeSat HDR box via a couple of PUC leads. It works pretty well generally with the exception of some of the more advanced commands. The store recommended a Sony or Samsung Blu-Ray player when I bought the TV (I can't remember which model). You should definitely try and get something setup - I think it's one of the best features of the TV, controlling everything from one remote.

Jonathan

Hi Jonathan,

I am using an apple tv in the back of the tv with puc and it works reliable, but the commands are a bit slow I think. I was thinking about the info in the tv regarding tv recordings. I think the hardware may very well able to do this.

I have a samsung bluray but nowhere to place it, perhaps Ill buy one of the thin (not sold longer?) that fits on a stbbracket stand on the back. I am also thinking about running a hdmi cable to my bedtable and install a slot loading bluray inside the furniture for easy access (not having to move or turn the tv around). But I am not quite sure yet how I will proceed :). I have it in my bedroom so not many units needs to be connected, most is wireless via airplay now.

Nice to hear you have a good working setup :)

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John:

I'm quite surprised in a way to hear that the V1 is made in China; I was under the impression from previous forum comment that it was made in Struer.

On the other hand, the considerably lower price point relative to the other B&O TV's, inclines one to think more that it would be made in China than Denmark.

I have no issues with Chinese manufacture if it is made to B&O specs and the quality control is up to B&Os standards.

It's unfortunate that theres been some early production glitches with the paint chipping etc (which appeared to be more of a packing/shipping problem) and trust that B&O will speedily resolve the matter for you.

Kind regards

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Michael replied on Thu, Sep 13 2012 6:10 PM

iPoditiv:
May 2012: V1 was assembled in Struer, the frame comes from Denmark or Sweden. Source for the assembly in Struer: my very own eyes ...

According to B&O official representatives it is assembled in China, I have it black on white in their email to me. A friend that works with B&O also confirmed that they are made in china but that they make prototypes in Struer and nothing else. Perhaps the TV gets the frames put on in denmark but the rest seems to be assembled in china. 

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elephant replied on Thu, Sep 13 2012 7:49 PM

Michael:

iPoditiv:
May 2012: V1 was assembled in Struer, the frame comes from Denmark or Sweden. Source for the assembly in Struer: my very own eyes ...

According to B&O official representatives it is assembled in China, I have it black on white in their email to me. A friend that works with B&O also confirmed that they are made in china but that they make prototypes in Struer and nothing else. Perhaps the TV gets the frames put on in denmark but the rest seems to be assembled in china. 

I agree with Peter since I was also on the tour - in fact there was a great deal of pride in the B&O specialist who conducted our half of the tour.

He said:

  • Foxconn had decided that they were going to close the DK plant and that the V1's video engine board would have to be manufactured in China, but the Struer team worked with Foxconn and were able to get the video engine board manufactured by Foxconn in Paderborn Germany (and I think Paderborn is right next door to where peter lives so perhaps he can cycle over and check out the claim Smile)
  • The speakers are manufactured in Italy
  • And what we saw was these components coming together on a production line that had already produced thousands of V1s
  • Sadly I did not take notes (or write down the data while it was in fresh in my memory) but I can remember being very impressed that the throughput of the V1's production line was significant since they had reduced its build time to say "1 hour" whereas the BV10's time was say "10 hours" (those were not the real numbers, but were something like that, and more importantly the ratio difference was very significant - so significant that enabled me to calculate that they had built almost 10,000 by the time of the launch)
  • And so the B&O specialist ended by saying something like "so you can see it is possible to have a TV made in Europe for much the same cost as if we had made it in China"

Of course it could be that B&O have increased production volumes by commissioning a production line in China

So Michael, if you kept your carton (like all good B&O collectors do Big Smile) just look to see if it says "made in Denmark" Smile

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Michael replied on Thu, Sep 13 2012 11:10 PM

elephant:

Michael:

iPoditiv:
May 2012: V1 was assembled in Struer, the frame comes from Denmark or Sweden. Source for the assembly in Struer: my very own eyes ...

According to B&O official representatives it is assembled in China, I have it black on white in their email to me. A friend that works with B&O also confirmed that they are made in china but that they make prototypes in Struer and nothing else. Perhaps the TV gets the frames put on in denmark but the rest seems to be assembled in china. 

I agree with Peter since I was also on the tour - in fact there was a great deal of pride in the B&O specialist who conducted our half of the tour.

He said:

  • Foxconn had decided that they were going to close the DK plant and that the V1's video engine board would have to be manufactured in China, but the Struer team worked with Foxconn and were able to get the video engine board manufactured by Foxconn in Paderborn Germany (and I think Paderborn is right next door to where peter lives so perhaps he can cycle over and check out the claim Smile)
  • The speakers are manufactured in Italy
  • And what we saw was these components coming together on a production line that had already produced thousands of V1s
  • Sadly I did not take notes (or write down the data while it was in fresh in my memory) but I can remember being very impressed that the throughput of the V1's production line was significant since they had reduced its build time to say "1 hour" whereas the BV10's time was say "10 hours" (those were not the real numbers, but were something like that, and more importantly the ratio difference was very significant - so significant that enabled me to calculate that they had built almost 10,000 by the time of the launch)
  • And so the B&O specialist ended by saying something like "so you can see it is possible to have a TV made in Europe for much the same cost as if we had made it in China"

Of course it could be that B&O have increased production volumes by commissioning a production line in China

So Michael, if you kept your carton (like all good B&O collectors do Big Smile) just look to see if it says "made in Denmark" Smile

Very interesting to hear. I have a carton but not close to me. But I think I looked and it didnt say. I got a very clear answer from B&O but of course that person might be wrong. I would be happier with a TV made in Europe, not that I don't think good products can come from China (they do) but because I want to see european engineering and assembly working good - and good work climate for the employees that assemble the tv. 

I always look close on the code of conduct when I buy clothes and I feel the same about my B&O.

 

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If it didn't look like it was designed in China, it personally wouldn't bother me.

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John replied on Fri, Sep 14 2012 11:01 AM

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Michael:

iPoditiv:
May 2012: V1 was assembled in Struer, the frame comes from Denmark or Sweden. Source for the assembly in Struer: my very own eyes ...

According to B&O official representatives it is assembled in China, I have it black on white in their email to me. A friend that works with B&O also confirmed that they are made in china but that they make prototypes in Struer and nothing else. Perhaps the TV gets the frames put on in denmark but the rest seems to be assembled in china. 

I agree with Peter since I was also on the tour - in fact there was a great deal of pride in the B&O specialist who conducted our half of the tour.

He said:

  • Foxconn had decided that they were going to close the DK plant and that the V1's video engine board would have to be manufactured in China, but the Struer team worked with Foxconn and were able to get the video engine board manufactured by Foxconn in Paderborn Germany (and I think Paderborn is right next door to where peter lives so perhaps he can cycle over and check out the claim Smile)
  • The speakers are manufactured in Italy
  • And what we saw was these components coming together on a production line that had already produced thousands of V1s
  • Sadly I did not take notes (or write down the data while it was in fresh in my memory) but I can remember being very impressed that the throughput of the V1's production line was significant since they had reduced its build time to say "1 hour" whereas the BV10's time was say "10 hours" (those were not the real numbers, but were something like that, and more importantly the ratio difference was very significant - so significant that enabled me to calculate that they had built almost 10,000 by the time of the launch)
  • And so the B&O specialist ended by saying something like "so you can see it is possible to have a TV made in Europe for much the same cost as if we had made it in China"

Of course it could be that B&O have increased production volumes by commissioning a production line in China

So Michael, if you kept your carton (like all good B&O collectors do Big Smile) just look to see if it says "made in Denmark" Smile

I have kept all my cartons, and at the time of arrival/unpacking noted that all the attached shipping/content labels were from Denmark.

There was nothing specific as I recall to say 'made in' but I assumed that it was all ex-Denmark.

When I have some time, I might pop down in to the garage and take a second look....

Thanks for the information Elephant... appreciated.... sounds like a wonderful visit to B&O HQ BTW.

Kind Regards

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BeoGreg replied on Fri, Sep 14 2012 11:42 AM
Please V1 owners, look at the sticker on the back of your Tv not on the cartons.

Should find something like : Country of origin : ?.

I'm also very interested in the answer.

Btw, like stated, "old" sets can come from Denmark and "new" sets from China.

Wait and see...

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Michael replied on Fri, Sep 14 2012 12:21 PM

BeoGreg:
Please V1 owners, look at the sticker on the back of your Tv not on the cartons.

Should find something like : Country of origin : ?.

I'm also very interested in the answer.

Btw, like stated, "old" sets can come from Denmark and "new" sets from China.

Wait and see...

Gregory

I don't have a country of origin on the carton. Not on the TV itself either. The TV doesnt state at all where it is produced - which is strange I think. They really don't want the china-stamp

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BeoGreg replied on Fri, Sep 14 2012 2:42 PM
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I don't have a country of origin on the carton. Not on the TV itself either. The TV doesnt state at all where it is produced - which is strange I think. They really don't want the china-stamp

Totally agree, very strange and bad news for the Denmark country of origin wanabee like me.

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benoit replied on Sat, Sep 15 2012 11:09 PM

I had the chance to try several combinations at a dealer in Germany and I think that the colors are more visible on the black V1. On the white one there is almost no differences when you look at it from 1 or 2 meters. On the black, yellow and green were the more 'strong' (but still not very). I like the green a lot as it gives a less severe look.

I think that to see the best the colors, you have to have the V1 wall mounted and sit in front of it (dealer configuration). Otherwise it's a waist of money.

They should propose a solution to mount the fret outside the speaker, like on the BV10. This could be really cool!

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Michael replied on Sat, Sep 15 2012 11:41 PM

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I had the chance to try several combinations at a dealer in Germany and I think that the colors are more visible on the black V1. On the white one there is almost no differences when you look at it from 1 or 2 meters. On the black, yellow and green were the more 'strong' (but still not very). I like the green a lot as it gives a less severe look.

I think that to see the best the colors, you have to have the V1 wall mounted and sit in front of it (dealer configuration). Otherwise it's a waist of money.

They should propose a solution to mount the fret outside the speaker, like on the BV10. This could be really cool!

I wonder if the two parts of the TV is loose, the front and back. Didnt try to pry it open when we put it on the wall but it seems like it? I would try to powder coat it with another color and have a white fret inside instead. I want more color.

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I have been thinking outside the (v1) box

What if you stick magnets (don't think romy and Michelle's back brace girl) to the speaker grill that is inserted into the tv then mount another grill on the outside with other magnets (so it will stick) so you essentially have a speaker cover on the outside of the tv.

Ideally I would like white with green fret or yellow fret or a Danish flag fret.

Cheers

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moxxey replied on Sun, Sep 16 2012 9:14 AM

Chris Townsend:
If it didn't look like it was designed in China, it personally wouldn't bother me.

I do find it somewhat ironic that some users have gone out and bought a brand new £2000 V1 - which is only a little more expensive than the old BV6-26 you mentioned yesterday - which is very cheap for B&O, yet we're now sitting here debating build quality, finish and where it was manufactured.

Basically, V1 owners have joined the rampant consumers who are seeking to drive down prices and have gladly bought it to B&O bringing out a <£2000 TV.....and are now questioning how they've done this and that, maybe, it wasn't good enough. Oh the irony.

You guys do realise that you only spent £2000 on a brand new B&O TV? This is incredibly cheap for a B&O TV. I don't know how much a dealer takes from each sale they make through their store, but it must be 30-40%. That means B&O will have had to make the V1 for well under £700, simply to make reasonable revenue from the TV and, of course, service your post-installation requirements/support.

I just find it interesting that we're talking about how B&O manufactured a TV for around about or less than £700, but at the same time demanding quality, manufacturing and source of manufacturing improvements.

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BeoGreg replied on Sun, Sep 16 2012 10:33 AM
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I do find it somewhat ironic that some users have gone out and bought a brand new £2000 V1 - which is only a little more expensive than the old BV6-26 you mentioned yesterday - which is very cheap for B&O, yet we're now sitting here debating build quality, finish and where it was manufactured.

Basically, V1 owners have joined the rampant consumers who are seeking to drive down prices and have gladly bought it to B&O bringing out a

You guys do realise that you only spent £2000 on a brand new B&O TV? This is incredibly cheap for a B&O TV. I don't know how much a dealer takes from each sale they make through their store, but it must be 30-40%. That means B&O will have had to make the V1 for well under £700, simply to make reasonable revenue from the TV and, of course, service your post-installation requirements/support.

I just find it interesting that we're talking about how B&O manufactured a TV for around about or less than £700, but at the same time demanding quality, manufacturing and source of manufacturing improvements.

Another debate started about China because the big surprise (for me anyway) was that the Tv came from Denmark.

It was two good to be true.

Now, the big surprise is that the V1 comes from China.

I hope whe can get one day a definitive answer.

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I do find it somewhat ironic that some users have gone out and bought a brand new £2000 V1 - which is only a little more expensive than the old BV6-26 you mentioned yesterday - which is very cheap for B&O, yet we're now sitting here debating build quality, finish and where it was manufactured.

Basically, V1 owners have joined the rampant consumers who are seeking to drive down prices and have gladly bought it to B&O bringing out a

You guys do realise that you only spent £2000 on a brand new B&O TV? This is incredibly cheap for a B&O TV. I don't know how much a dealer takes from each sale they make through their store, but it must be 30-40%. That means B&O will have had to make the V1 for well under £700, simply to make reasonable revenue from the TV and, of course, service your post-installation requirements/support.

I just find it interesting that we're talking about how B&O manufactured a TV for around about or less than £700, but at the same time demanding quality, manufacturing and source of manufacturing improvements.

What? Are you kidding? The V1 doesnt feature polished aluminium, glass front or other advanced techniques featured on the high end BeoVisions. I strongly disagree with you. Also, the price is almost 30000 sek in sweden. Which is much, much more than ANY other 40" in the whole country!

I think the V1 is has a good built and good quality also. I refuse to be called someone who is "seeking to drive down prices" and be called an idiot for thinking it would be a quality set.

The price did not cover installation for my part, which I handled myself. I even paid extra for a local technician to install my wall mount (just the mount cost more than most other stands and is not included in the price I quoted).

Honestly I don't understand at all what you are talking about. The price is not much lower than say a BV40 if you scrap the glass and aluminium process.

If you remember B&O made a TV called MX, it was a great success with many working today also, for much less than a V1.

For the price of the V1 it could well be produced in denmark. Don't forget that most of B&Os other products, such as speakers are made in Czech republic and not denmark, to bring down the manufacturing costs and to be able to gain more profit only.

I cant stress enough how strongly I disagree with you today.

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Michael replied on Sun, Sep 16 2012 2:14 PM
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Another debate started about China because the big surprise (for me anyway) was that the Tv came from Denmark.

It was two good to be true.

Now, the big surprise is that the V1 comes from China.

I hope whe can get one day a definitive answer.

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I think most of the tv is assembled in China and that the finishing touches is made in Denmark. When I received my TV it came with a certificate from denmark (at least a danish girls name) that the tv was working properly and was calibrated).

However it works very well. And my iPhone, mac etc is also made in China with probably the highest build quality I have ever seen in such devices.

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John replied on Sun, Sep 16 2012 3:18 PM

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If it didn't look like it was designed in China, it personally wouldn't bother me.

I do find it somewhat ironic that some users have gone out and bought a brand new £2000 V1 - which is only a little more expensive than the old BV6-26 you mentioned yesterday - which is very cheap for B&O, yet we're now sitting here debating build quality, finish and where it was manufactured.

Basically, V1 owners have joined the rampant consumers who are seeking to drive down prices and have gladly bought it to B&O bringing out a <£2000 TV.....and are now questioning how they've done this and that, maybe, it wasn't good enough. Oh the irony.

You guys do realise that you only spent £2000 on a brand new B&O TV? This is incredibly cheap for a B&O TV. I don't know how much a dealer takes from each sale they make through their store, but it must be 30-40%. That means B&O will have had to make the V1 for well under £700, simply to make reasonable revenue from the TV and, of course, service your post-installation requirements/support.

I just find it interesting that we're talking about how B&O manufactured a TV for around about or less than £700, but at the same time demanding quality, manufacturing and source of manufacturing improvements.

Well Moxxey, I can only speak for myself, and I'm absolutely thrilled with my V1 40".

I not in any way concerned as to where it was made, in so far as feeling as if it might be China, that somehow the set is not going to be as good quality as if it was made in Denmark.

Of course, being made in Denmark is a nice piece of individuality to be able to claim, re 'exclusivity' perhaps, but I don't think there would likely be any technical or workmanship advantage either way, be it made in Denmark or China.

I felt that with the purchase of a V1, I received outstanding value, quality of materials and manufacture, and performance that only a plasma, or fully back light LED from the likes of Sony could hope to approach re picture quality, and with an audio quality that leaves any mainstream set well behind.

It was not a 'cheap' purchase in this country, sitting around the equivalent of a top tier 55" HX 950 Sony Bravia + accessories in comparative price.

The main reason I purchased one, was that here, one cannot trade in an say 10-40 against a new set every few years as you are able to do; B&O AU does not accept trade-ins.  

Given that TV tech changes so quickly, within a few short years, the second hand value of a very expensive B&O set is likely to drop severely, B&O or not - it is simply old tech, period, and will be seen as such on the second hand market place.

Speakers are another matter, and here I intend to get more serious with B&O, as their speaker tech is very mature and second hand prices hold up well.

The purchase of the V1 will allow me to save money on an expensive B&O TV, that will otherwise likely depreciate like falling off a cliff in this country, and allow me to spend the savings made by buying the V1 instead of a 10-40, into B&O speakers. This is important to me, as I continue to move away from my separates system, into a B&O AV system.

Meantime the V1 still offers an aesthetic look that continues to grow on me and please me - I find myself sneaking admiring glances at it from time to time when it is not switched on - offering even at a more 'basic' level, something of that B&O design mystique, coupled with the overall picture and sound quality, and especially the included Surround sound processor and active centre channel speaker, I simply could not be more delighted with it.

We all have different opinions of the styling of various B&O bits and pieces - I saw a Playmaker in the plastic yesterday, and really liked it! - and whilst some of the old hands have railed against the V1 - I love it on performance, aesthetic, quality, and most especially value grounds, and have zero regrets about spending the money to buy it.

Hope this explains at least my position! - I'm sure other owners will have similar, but yet slightly different reasons for buying!

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Bob replied on Sun, Sep 16 2012 5:05 PM

Needless face it - what isn't produced in China these days, it is very bad news indeed and one of reasons why "I've stacked in the moment and can't get out of it" = VINTAGE (I like equipment which has been designed, build and tested to extend not just with regards to its quality but with added bit of  LOVE and when Brand was all you needed to know, stamp made in Denmark (in case of B&O's) or Japan was the cherry on top.

Now people buying products without thinking about anything but cost and are happy if it last warranty, surely there's something terribly wrong with world and us (consumers) I for once won't buy certain products due to rather strong opinions and feelings about their origin, working conditions or, regimes in general, it's false economy and wrong on so many levels.I STRONGLY disagree this has been done to "help consumers out or boost sale" - it's to drive consumption and keep more profit - for example see "the real cost of new Iphone on net"

It should be outlawed and each brand should be required to state where it was produced (such Made in USA cars by law can be just assembled and all its components could be imported ;( ) , but there would have to be concious concerns of customers to make it happen.

Anyhow I find discussing cost of 2K or 30K  without any relevance and not only due "economical crisis", but merely due different meaning of the money to different individuals (while 2/3 of world being exploited to extend for our indulgences)

BeoGreg:
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I don't have a country of origin on the carton. Not on the TV itself either. The TV doesnt state at all where it is produced - which is strange I think. They really don't want the china-stamp

 

 

Totally agree, very strange and bad news for the Denmark country of origin wanabee like me.

 

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Beoboiinoz:

We all have different opinions of the styling of various B&O bits and pieces - I saw a Playmaker in the plastic yesterday, and really liked it! - and whilst some of the old hands have railed against the V1 - I love it on performance, aesthetic, quality, and most especially value grounds, and have zero regrets about spending the money to buy it.

Hope this explains at least my position! - I'm sure other owners will have similar, but yet slightly different reasons for buying!

Kind regards

John...

I'd also suspect that you're the exact reason why bang & olufsen launched the v1 - to bring new blood into the customer mix. You'll be fully b&o'd up before you know it ;-) interesting designs always polarise opinions.

I'd love a v1.
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Neill1975 replied on Mon, Sep 17 2012 7:06 PM

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When I had my demo of the V1 the dealer had a bracket that attached to the back of the V1 and the blu-ray player sat on the back hidden from sight the blu-ray player was a sumsang one I'll post a link http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/30965010/Samsung-BD-ES7000-Smart-3D-Blu-ray-Player-/Product.html?searchstring=samsung+blu-ray+player+&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search

It was also worth noting that the wires were all inside a tube and coming out the back to a floor socket its was a very neat set up with the apple Tv. The main remote controlling Tv, Blu-ray and Apple Tv. 

The sound was very impressive and filled a large room with deep bass. They had it connected to speakers and happily demo'd both with the speakers playing and without the package was neat and discrete sounding excellent. 

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Michael replied on Tue, Sep 18 2012 12:43 AM

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When I had my demo of the V1 the dealer had a bracket that attached to the back of the V1 and the blu-ray player sat on the back hidden from sight the blu-ray player was a sumsang one I'll post a link http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/30965010/Samsung-BD-ES7000-Smart-3D-Blu-ray-Player-/Product.html?searchstring=samsung+blu-ray+player+&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search

It was also worth noting that the wires were all inside a tube and coming out the back to a floor socket its was a very neat set up with the apple Tv. The main remote controlling Tv, Blu-ray and Apple Tv. 

The sound was very impressive and filled a large room with deep bass. They had it connected to speakers and happily demo'd both with the speakers playing and without the package was neat and discrete sounding excellent. 

Neill 

Hi Neill, 

 

I have the 40" V1 so I know it is good ;) I also have a Apple TV in the cable box behind, it works very well. I am thinking about getting that bluray player and the stb-bracket for mounting on the back of the TV but im not sure what I will do right now :)

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Mikael replied on Tue, Sep 18 2012 12:32 PM

Talked to my local danish store when the V1 launched.

The metal parts are manufactured in Denmark, ie. the frame and stands. The screen assembly and electronics are most likely from China. Other parts may come from other parts of the world.

I'm pretty sure the final assembly takes place in Denmark. I would surprice me if B&O shipped the frames to China for assembly, to ship them back again for the final touches and calibration.

So be glad for your new TV. Everything you're looking at is maded in Denmark.

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Michael replied on Tue, Sep 18 2012 1:19 PM

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Talked to my local danish store when the V1 launched.

The metal parts are manufactured in Denmark, ie. the frame and stands. The screen assembly and electronics are most likely from China. Other parts may come from other parts of the world.

I'm pretty sure the final assembly takes place in Denmark. I would surprice me if B&O shipped the frames to China for assembly, to ship them back again for the final touches and calibration.

So be glad for your new TV. Everything you're looking at is maded in Denmark.

Hi Mikael!

I thought the exact same thing as you. I am happy to hear this as kind of a confirmation of what I believed. I agree it would be strange if the frames would be shipped back and forth.
This all makes me more interested in taking the TV apart to see how it is made. Is it a box inside that won't fall apart without the frames or what? Interesting no matter what!

 

And I am glad for it :)

Have a nice day,

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Paul W replied on Tue, Sep 18 2012 1:43 PM

Michael you very naughty man, You simply cannot take your brand new B&O tv to pieces!  Damn, you'll be taking your new Retina MB Pro to pieces next ;)

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Michael replied on Tue, Sep 18 2012 2:35 PM

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Michael you very naughty man, You simply cannot take your brand new B&O tv to pieces!  Damn, you'll be taking your new Retina MB Pro to pieces next ;)

Well if nobody else does it I will have to do it :P I love to take electronics apart :)

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