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I've just seen the Pro-ject Classic Turntable and have to admit I love it! - wondering how it would compare with the BG6002 I currently have - not sure if anyone has had any experience of one yet? Yes, would lose the automation but benefit from newer technology? or was the BG6002 ahead of it's time?
Appreciate any thoughts.
Link to it
https://www.whathifi.com/news/pro-ject-launches-classic-turntable
What newer technology?
Martin
I this just "snake oil"? - they claim:
The Classic offers classic look and innovative high-end technology
This turntable makes use of traditional frame design which was established by the famous turntable manufacturers of the 50's and 60's. It uses a compact simple and elegant form factor. The Classic incorporates a combination of approved belt drive design using a low noise AC motor with an ultra precision frequency DC-driven AC generator (like Speed Box) for ultimate speed stability. Advanced technology is used for decoupling and the completely new designed tonearm. Belt drive with manual speed control 33/45 rpm
• Height adjustable decoupling feet
• Precision balanced TPE*-damped aluminium-platter / felt mat
• Metal/MDF sandwich chassis floating on TPE* suspension
• 9” carbon/aluminium tonearm with MM & MC capability
• Japanese ball bearing (base of tonearm)
• Integrated central vertical cable outlet for unhindered arm movement
• Ultra low friction Zircon pin-point cardan bearings (top & side)
• Azimuth and VTA fully adjustable
• TPE damped counterweight
Is this just snake oil? - what they claim and I wondered if it was any better is:
This turntable makes use of traditional frame design which was established by the famous turntable manufacturers of the 50's and 60's. It uses a compact simple and elegant form factor. The Classic incorporates a combination of approved belt drive design using a low noise AC motor with an ultra precision frequency DC-driven AC generator (like Speed Box) for ultimate speed stability. Advanced technology is used for decoupling and the completely new designed tonearm.
Belt drive with manual speed control 33/45 rpm
• Optionally available with 2M Silver phono cartridge
• Classic wooden chassis in 3 matt finishes
(walnut, rosenut, eucalyptus)
That's what I questioned - according to the manufucaturers:
I cant seem to cut and paste from the website - according the manufacturers - newer materials, suspension, ball bearings, speed control etc
full link to the product info pdf
http://www.project-audio.com/inhalt/en/pdf/theclassic.pdf
I don't know if I'm that impressed.The design is, well, boring at best. It looks like just about 90% of all late 1960s-mid-1980s record players.Hence the name "Classic", I suppose.Wood trim and aluminium-like surface could be a bit B&O perhaps, but the tonearm looks an alien.All a matter of taste, I suppose.How the external power supply looks remains a guess.
Tech-wise, the mere fact that it's a radial deck puts in behind all B&Os tangentials, if you ask me (or look at the tracking angle error specs not given).No matter how it cringes and crawls, no matter the materials used (japanese ball bearings?) it will neverbe able to track a record correctly all the way.Hence no distortion specs either, I suppose.
If you want a better deck than your Beogram 6002, I suggest you find a restored Beogram 8002.It's in the same design as your Beogram 6002, it's in the same price range as the ProJect and doesn't rely on a belt driven platter.Platter speed deviations:ProJect 0,15%Beogram 8002 0,04% (And that's with B&Os own metal tachodisc - a small improvement is available).It's next to impossible to make a completely uniform flat belt.
Thermo Plastics is not a new material. It was already used in the early 60s.
Thanks Martin - easy to get seduced with the marketing - had forgotten about the distortion element - I just had a read through the setting up procedure and that was enough to put me off. I remember having a thorens which looked nice but took ages to set the cartridge up - with the b&o you just plug it in.
Thanks again, appreciate your thoughts and taking time to look at it.
Andrew
We stock the Pro-Ject range as a great alternative to the old B&O decks, and find any priced over £600 to produce astonishing results. They sell particularly well with a BeoSound 2 - perfect combination!
Dillen:Tech-wise, the mere fact that it's a radial deck puts in behind all B&Os tangentials, if you ask me (or look at the tracking angle error specs not given).No matter how it cringes and crawls, no matter the materials used (japanese ball bearings?) it will neverbe able to track a record correctly all the way.Hence no distortion specs either, I suppose.
Interesting. 'Prompted me to google why Thorens never manufactured a tangential, which led me to this article on the tangential vs. radial "debate". Clearly written by Hans Fantel, the founding editor of Stereo Review Magazine.
An interesting article. It was written in 1983 when a number of companies were producing tangential arm type turntables. By 1983 though B&O already had (at least) ten years of perfecting their linear tracking system. I have been a fan of the Beogram 4002 since around 1976. I was late discovering the turntable partially due to magazines like Stereo Review not covering B&O. I remember seeing the Beogram 4002 for the first time in my favorite record store. What a surprise. Who was this Bang & Olufsen company? Once touching one and hearing it I knew that was the ultimate turntable for my record collection. Later, in 1983, I upgraded to the Beogram 8002. I still have both turntables plus a quite a few more Beograms in my collection now. When they are fully restored they still play beautifully and as well as any turntable can in my opinion. As Martin pointed out, the Beogram 800x models have their own built in platter speed correction that is extremely accurate. Interestingly though, using Beolover's similar type speed measuring device, I am impressed at how accurately my Beogram 4000 and 4002 turntables maintain their speed being analog controlled platter motors and belt driven platters. The only legitimate knock about the Beograms that I can understand is that they require a proprietary phono cartridge. A lot of record collectors also enjoy a collection of various brands of cartridges and you can't do that with (a stock) Beogram. I was always fine with the MMC cartridges though so it wasn't a problem for me.
-sonavor