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Bv7Mk3:As the Eclipse is based on the lg b7 panel,here is a revew of the b7 panel.... http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/141951-lg-b7-review-an-oled-superstar
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Hi guys,
my first post here, but a long time beofan as it was a family thing.
i asked my dealer is i could get the 55" speaker on the 65" tv, and he said i was being unusual
but mostlikely yes. He'll look into it, but also that it would leave a gap in the glass bit. I also am not a huge fan of overhanging speakers, so maybe this will be an option.
M
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A TV is a huge element in the room, and in my opinion it should be treated as a furniture or a sculpture that enriches the life quality for the family/users. It should give you a smile on your face when NOT using it. If it in addition is future proof (giving you a lot of quality TV experience for the next 5-10 years), with high usability and easy integration of our existing B&O equipment, it is worth some extra $/€/£ over a standard panel.
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moxxey:According to someone here, it's still "guess work".
BeoET: A TV is a huge element in the room, and in my opinion it should be treated as a furniture or a sculpture that enriches the life quality for the family/users. It should give you a smile on your face when NOT using it. If it in addition is future proof (giving you a lot of quality TV experience for the next 5-10 years), with high usability and easy integration of our existing B&O equipment, it is worth some extra $/€/£ over a standard panel.
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B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
Eclipse 65V1-32Beosound M5Essence MK2BLI
Aussie Michael:I prefer a speaker to be not wider than the TV but maybe I'll be converted in this model.
Mikipedia:Hi guys, my first post here, but a long time beofan as it was a family thing. i asked my dealer is i could get the 55" speaker on the 65" tv, and he said i was being unusual but mostlikely yes. He'll look into it, but also that it would leave a gap in the glass bit. I also am not a huge fan of overhanging speakers, so maybe this will be an option. M
I like it
Chris Townsend: Please help me out here gents, you know I love the brand and have recently heavily invested in it. But the TV I'm looking at is bigger, has the extra processing(even has the curtains for goodness sake) has a 5.1 processor, an 80 watt centre speaker, looks fantastic and costs £4,000 less than the smaller 55 inch Eclipse.
Please help me out here gents, you know I love the brand and have recently heavily invested in it. But the TV I'm looking at is bigger, has the extra processing(even has the curtains for goodness sake) has a 5.1 processor, an 80 watt centre speaker, looks fantastic and costs £4,000 less than the smaller 55 inch Eclipse.
I'm still considering my options, too. Thinking of moving up from the BV12-65, but to what? Wall mounted Sony A1? Floor stand Loewe? I also figured I can easily drop back down to a 55", too, saving some cash. Sell the BV12-65 and the Sony A1 55" is very justifiable. Even the Loewe. Eclipse less so.
My worry about the Eclipse is the how the speaker will look against a wall? The BV12-65 is relatively flush for an old TV, whereas the Eclipse sound bar looks like it could jut out from the wall by a good 10cms or more? Thin panel, huge speaker.
LOL Peter you are very good at doing you're mock ups. Hope the LG logo isn't on the real thing though!
Chris Townsend:Not really, my super expensive 7-55 had a panel specifically made for it(just like Loewe does now) and extra processing. Even a cinema out mode. And electronic curtains, who invented that? Even 7 years down the road, it still has a competitive HD picture. But that's what I was buying into. If it was a bulk standard HD edge lit panel by Samsung (i.e. the mk1) albeit with Beosystem 3 included, I'd be more inclined to agree. Now I know the AV development side of things has vanished from Struer, I'll struggle to ever again invest in a Beovision.
Even 7 years down the road, it still has a competitive HD picture. But that's what I was buying into. If it was a bulk standard HD edge lit panel by Samsung (i.e. the mk1) albeit with Beosystem 3 included, I'd be more inclined to agree.
Now I know the AV development side of things has vanished from Struer, I'll struggle to ever again invest in a Beovision.
People who thinks that oled is a wonderfull upgrade compare to led tv, have certainly never had a full led panel like the bv 7 55 mk2. The quality of its colors and its black which can't be measurable like oled, make the oled option far less interesting.
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Chris Townsend: has the extra processing(even has the curtains for goodness sake)
That's another problem I have. I love this, and it's almost the same price as a Horizon 48! Madness
BeoET:A TV is a huge element in the room, and in my opinion it should be treated as a furniture or a sculpture that enriches the life quality for the family/users. It should give you a smile on your face when NOT using it. If it in addition is future proof (giving you a lot of quality TV experience for the next 5-10 years), with high usability and easy integration of our existing B&O equipment, it is worth some extra $/€/£ over a standard panel.
Folks
After seeing the real pictures of Eclipse (Apologies that I can not post the pictures under a gentleman's word), If I had access to Loewe TV in the USA, I would buy that in a heart beat and have the Oppo feeding the picture to the OLED panel and sound to my (soon to arrive) BL 50. Need no sound from the TV.
Just to check if I can live with the LED TV (Avant), I went to B&O Dealer yesterday again and looked at the Avant. Design wise, Avant is still my most favorite TV but the LED panels (Even the full backlit array) cannot compare with the OLED. It is not a question of brand or processing, but just that OLED technology has inherent advantage. Just the right brightness and an absolute depth of Blacks which results in unreal picture and colors.
Now back to Sony A1E ..
olvisab:People who thinks that oled is a wonderfull upgrade compare to led tv, have certainly never had a full led panel like the bv 7 55 mk2. The quality of its colors and its black which can't be measurable like oled, make the oled option far less interesting. beolab 5, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 3500, IWS 2000, beovision 7 55 mk2, beotime, beogram 7000 white mmc2, beosound ouverture, beosound essence and the collection continues...
Beovision 7-55 MK1 red, Beolab 10 red. Beolab 50, all black. Beolab 17 broken ice. Beolab transmitter. Apple tv4 and apple express 2.
Esax: I have the beovision 7-55 mk1 and still loking for a bigger tv I rather have. Maybe the eclips is the answer. But it must have b&o spec video engine. B&o always had better depth in the picture then other tv's and easy on the eyes. Going to chech out the eclips on wensday.
I have the beovision 7-55 mk1 and still loking for a bigger tv I rather have. Maybe the eclips is the answer. But it must have b&o spec video engine. B&o always had better depth in the picture then other tv's and easy on the eyes.
Going to chech out the eclips on wensday.
With a mk2 you would be even happier. Of course that doesn't solve the problem if we want a bigger tv.
I think a 55 wide tv is the good size for most of the main room. For a better cinema experience, then 85/105 is then justified. at this level of price it is more interesting to buy a beamer and keep a 55 tv for everyday use.
BestSound: Emil Jensen: I have also looked very close at Loewe BILD 5. A very good looking tv, I am just missing somethings. A proper surround processor A good enough remote good enough puc control a good enough speaker a better finish built in apps as Netflix. And it have my interest that there is a built in essence in the Beovision as it would be better as a radio in the livingroom. Hi Emil I'm also a big fan of the Loewe Bild 5 and my choice will be between the new Eclipse and Bild 5, so just very interested to know what you see as the limitations in the build in surround decoder. It can handle true HD and DTS HD, but of course it’s only 5.1 not 7.1
Emil Jensen: I have also looked very close at Loewe BILD 5. A very good looking tv, I am just missing somethings. A proper surround processor A good enough remote good enough puc control a good enough speaker a better finish built in apps as Netflix. And it have my interest that there is a built in essence in the Beovision as it would be better as a radio in the livingroom.
I have also looked very close at Loewe BILD 5.
A very good looking tv,
I am just missing somethings.
A proper surround processor
A good enough remote
good enough puc control
a good enough speaker
a better finish
built in apps as Netflix.
And it have my interest that there is a built in essence in the Beovision as it would be better as a radio in the livingroom.
Hi Emil
I'm also a big fan of the Loewe Bild 5 and my choice will be between the new Eclipse and Bild 5, so just very interested to know what you see as the limitations in the build in surround decoder. It can handle true HD and DTS HD, but of course it’s only 5.1 not 7.1
As you properly know is that there can be a very large price difference between surround processor. Just see brands as Classe´. Though B&O does not have the best surround processor, It will have a much better one then LOEWE. And plus B&O processor is much better for B&O speakers. So when I have invested for me a lot of money on Beolab 20, I would like the best to drive the speakers.
I would, and I do not have anything to back it up, guess that the surround processor is 1500-2500£ more expensive in a B&O than a Loewe.
Loewe have never been famous for their speakers.
Beovision Harmony 77" 2nd Gen, Beolab 5, Beolab 17, Beosound 1, Beoplay M3, Beoplay Portal, Beoplay Earset, Beoliving Intelligence
My first post, but Beo fan and Beoworld follower for years now.
I currently own a BV7 40 and I'm very excited about the eclipse
Does anyone knows if a meuble stand option will be available?
Thanks
Leo.
BV7-40 , Beolab 2, Beolab 7.2, Beolab 3, Beolab 4, PS4, Apple TV
olvisab: Chris Townsend:Not really, my super expensive 7-55 had a panel specifically made for it(just like Loewe does now) and extra processing. Even a cinema out mode. And electronic curtains, who invented that? Even 7 years down the road, it still has a competitive HD picture. But that's what I was buying into. If it was a bulk standard HD edge lit panel by Samsung (i.e. the mk1) albeit with Beosystem 3 included, I'd be more inclined to agree. Now I know the AV development side of things has vanished from Struer, I'll struggle to ever again invest in a Beovision. People who thinks that oled is a wonderfull upgrade compare to led tv, have certainly never had a full led panel like the bv 7 55 mk2. The quality of its colors and its black which can't be measurable like oled, make the oled option far less interesting.
I am happy that you are happy with your MKII. But what you are saying is just plain wrong.
OLED is years ahead of your display in every manner.
Try to look at Flatpanelshd.com They have good comparaison between OLED and Panasonic LED DX900.
Chris Townsend: Bv7Mk3: As the Eclipse is based on the lg b7 panel,here is a revew of the b7 panel.... http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/141951-lg-b7-review-an-oled-superstar And this is my problem. We are told the Eclipse will have no extra processing or alteration by B&O, not even the curtains. The LG is £2,000 and the Eclipse with exactly the same panel is around £10,000. So apart from the sound bar which I'm not prepared to spend the price of a small car for, why would I now not go for another pre mentioned brand? Please help me out here gents, you know I love the brand and have recently heavily invested in it. But the TV I'm looking at is bigger, has the extra processing(even has the curtains for goodness sake) has a 5.1 processor, an 80 watt centre speaker, looks fantastic and costs £4,000 less than the smaller 55 inch Eclipse. Struggling
Bv7Mk3: As the Eclipse is based on the lg b7 panel,here is a revew of the b7 panel.... http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/141951-lg-b7-review-an-oled-superstar
As the Eclipse is based on the lg b7 panel,here is a revew of the b7 panel....
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/141951-lg-b7-review-an-oled-superstar
And this is my problem. We are told the Eclipse will have no extra processing or alteration by B&O, not even the curtains.
The LG is £2,000 and the Eclipse with exactly the same panel is around £10,000. So apart from the sound bar which I'm not prepared to spend the price of a small car for, why would I now not go for another pre mentioned brand?
Struggling
The BILD 5 is interesting and believe I am looking at that also.
But in real life there is a big difference between Loewe and B&O.
The Processor is not nearly as good
The center speaker is nothing compared to an B&O
The built quilty is nothing to compare (I am here thinking of materiel)
Also plus, you get better picture with the B&O
It will at least have the best panels as LOEWE (Also I do only think LOEWE have the best panels in BILD 7 and 9 or else the price is to good)
It will have a much better smart interface.
In my opinion a far better remote.
Multiroom capability
Also can function as a stereo in your living room.
I understand why you all look at the competition, but in real life there is nothing there have the whole packets as B&O does.
If you are use to B&O and then buy a SONY, you will with guaranty miss some of the magic.
Also price settings was far worse in the BEOVISION 7 and 12 time. So if you would buy then, I dont see the price argument hold up here.
Am I buying a Eclipse? Maybe, if not I am buying a LG B7 but I know the difference between the two.
I agree with the above points as this has been my way of thinking for justifying the Eclipse purchase also. I would add a further point that all the B&O equipment I have owned over the years I have been able to sell on, usually for quite a reasonable return when you consider the enjoyment and use I got out of it throughout my ownership. So for me, this is an important factor when considering the Eclipse at its projected price point. I just hope I really like the design in the flesh because that's always what I look for first and foremost. I guess I'll know soon enough.
Emil Jensen: olvisab: Chris Townsend:Not really, my super expensive 7-55 had a panel specifically made for it(just like Loewe does now) and extra processing. Even a cinema out mode. And electronic curtains, who invented that? Even 7 years down the road, it still has a competitive HD picture. But that's what I was buying into. If it was a bulk standard HD edge lit panel by Samsung (i.e. the mk1) albeit with Beosystem 3 included, I'd be more inclined to agree. Now I know the AV development side of things has vanished from Struer, I'll struggle to ever again invest in a Beovision. People who thinks that oled is a wonderfull upgrade compare to led tv, have certainly never had a full led panel like the bv 7 55 mk2. The quality of its colors and its black which can't be measurable like oled, make the oled option far less interesting. I am happy that you are happy with your MKII. But what you are saying is just plain wrong. OLED is years ahead of your display in every manner. Try to look at Flatpanelshd.com They have good comparaison between OLED and Panasonic LED DX900.
Nothing wrong. An oled is not a WONDERFULL UPGRADE and it is stll LESS INTERESTING when you own an efficient full led tv.
Sorry but I spend enough time in front oled tv for having a good idea of its capabilities and drawback.
That's just an upgrade at some points.
You should know that many tv sold as full led were finally not better than edge led one (not enough zones, issue with motion/blacks or colors depending of the quality of the panel or the cost of processing built in).
Everything is not black or white, you have bad oled tv also.
And having the black cloth would save the £800 cost of the aluminium one
Emil Jensen:The BILD 5 is interesting and believe I am looking at that also. But in real life there is a big difference between Loewe and B&O. The Processor is not nearly as good The center speaker is nothing compared to an B&O The built quilty is nothing to compare (I am here thinking of materiel) Also plus, you get better picture with the B&O It will at least have the best panels as LOEWE (Also I do only think LOEWE have the best panels in BILD 7 and 9 or else the price is to good) It will have a much better smart interface. In my opinion a far better remote. Multiroom capability Also can function as a stereo in your living room. I understand why you all look at the competition, but in real life there is nothing there have the whole packets as B&O does. If you are use to B&O and then buy a SONY, you will with guaranty miss some of the magic. Also price settings was far worse in the BEOVISION 7 and 12 time. So if you would buy then, I dont see the price argument hold up here. Am I buying a Eclipse? Maybe, if not I am buying a LG B7 but I know the difference between the two. Beolab 20, Beolab 17, Transmitter 1
Emil Jensen: I understand why you all look at the competition, but in real life there is nothing there have the whole packets as B&O does.
Maybe, but that's old-school thinking (or should that be distant memories). The Avant and BV14 were hugely let down with software and the customer experience, which is a very "real life" experience (much like the year-long software issues I had with my BV7-40 which drove me nuts). Plus they are hugely expensive and, as Chris rightly points out, there's far less B&O input in the panel part of the Eclipse, meaning the difference between, say, the Eclipse panel and Loewe Bild will be minimal.
There is absolutely no difference in the picture quality in the LG panels, all the way from $ 2000 (LG B7 55 inch) to $ 14,000 (LG W77 inch) and between the brands. I suggest who are blindly believing in "Price = Quality" are making a mistake. All OLED panels behave the same as long as they come from same production lines.
The only minor differences ( I am truly mean minor) will be driven by the Video processing that is being applied. For Sony OLEDS, they are using their X1 Xtreme processor which may be the best out there but all LG branded (and B&O) will be standard LG processing which, BTW is not that far off from Sony. These are minor differences and if someone can spot it, all glory to that person.
In fact, seems like Loewe has put in more effort in the design space that B&O. Their BILD 5 & 7 have more B&O like aesthetics than the Eclipse which, as I had previously mentioned looks more like a meshing of the Avant and BV7 with the results that it looks kind of odd.
I am leaning on Loewe 5 , 65 inch ( or 7 if I really feel that additional aspects are worth the price) if I can get that imported into USA (Voltage issue not withstanding). If Loewe does not work out for me, than good old trusted Sony OLED it is...
Loewe actually have some new active speakers that i had the privilege of hearing in harrods mated to the bild 5 and the sound quality was amazing, granted it wasn't b&0 but it was impressive.
Also hooking up b&0 speakers to loewe tvs is simple i had beolab 17s connected to a loewe compose slimframe tv i set the distances volume levels aswell as tell the tv that i was using active speakers which all worked without a hitch.
I even used beolab 14s with the tv all volume controlled with the loewe remote speakers came on with the tv and turned off when the tv was switched off.
Lgs processing to me isn't the best loewes picture processing is a lot better as is motion which is very stable sharp and clear.
Shame B&0 aren't using there video processing in the new eclipse.
Beoplay A2
Chris Townsend: Emil Jensen: The BILD 5 is interesting and believe I am looking at that also. But in real life there is a big difference between Loewe and B&O. The Processor is not nearly as good The center speaker is nothing compared to an B&O The built quilty is nothing to compare (I am here thinking of materiel) Also plus, you get better picture with the B&O It will at least have the best panels as LOEWE (Also I do only think LOEWE have the best panels in BILD 7 and 9 or else the price is to good) It will have a much better smart interface. In my opinion a far better remote. Multiroom capability Also can function as a stereo in your living room. I understand why you all look at the competition, but in real life there is nothing there have the whole packets as B&O does. If you are use to B&O and then buy a SONY, you will with guaranty miss some of the magic. Also price settings was far worse in the BEOVISION 7 and 12 time. So if you would buy then, I dont see the price argument hold up here. Am I buying a Eclipse? Maybe, if not I am buying a LG B7 but I know the difference between the two. Beolab 20, Beolab 17, Transmitter 1 What processor Emil? The Eclipse will have the same LG video engine as its £2,000 brother, so its picture will be exactly the same. The centre speaker on the Bild is 80 watts and not as good as the Eclipse I'm sure, but as it's going to be mated to Beolab 5s, who cares. The remote on the Eclipse will be better, but for £5,000 more, and a smaller less advanced screen I can swallow that
Emil Jensen: The BILD 5 is interesting and believe I am looking at that also. But in real life there is a big difference between Loewe and B&O. The Processor is not nearly as good The center speaker is nothing compared to an B&O The built quilty is nothing to compare (I am here thinking of materiel) Also plus, you get better picture with the B&O It will at least have the best panels as LOEWE (Also I do only think LOEWE have the best panels in BILD 7 and 9 or else the price is to good) It will have a much better smart interface. In my opinion a far better remote. Multiroom capability Also can function as a stereo in your living room. I understand why you all look at the competition, but in real life there is nothing there have the whole packets as B&O does. If you are use to B&O and then buy a SONY, you will with guaranty miss some of the magic. Also price settings was far worse in the BEOVISION 7 and 12 time. So if you would buy then, I dont see the price argument hold up here. Am I buying a Eclipse? Maybe, if not I am buying a LG B7 but I know the difference between the two. Beolab 20, Beolab 17, Transmitter 1
Beolab 20, Beolab 17, Transmitter 1
What processor Emil? The Eclipse will have the same LG video engine as its £2,000 brother, so its picture will be exactly the same. The centre speaker on the Bild is 80 watts and not as good as the Eclipse I'm sure, but as it's going to be mated to Beolab 5s, who cares.
The remote on the Eclipse will be better, but for £5,000 more, and a smaller less advanced screen I can swallow that
I was thinking about the sound processor, and when you have Beolab 5 this will matter greatly. I highly doubt that the Loewe will handle this as good as Beolab 5 deserves.
And yes beovision Eclipse will have the same video processor as all LG old have, B7 to W7, so it will be best in class, or at least vey very close.
The fact is that we are going to see the best and most updated screen from B&O ever. If you take the Beovision 12 it used the old generation Panasonic panel, where Panasonic had a new much improved for them self.
Oh look its an Bv 8
Chris Townsend:Wher did you hear those speakers?
Harrods?
Bv7Mk3:Oh look its an Bv 8
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