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moxxey:Watch a Blu-ray on a plasma, for example, and the picture looks vibrant, smooth and deep. You almost never get the same effect on an LED, even on an OLED panel.
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I looked at the Sony Brivia 55 at today's price is £2999 in john lewis/currys etc!,much better tv than LG tv imho ,even got iPhone mirroring so no need to ATV ,am not going to compare it to Bang & olufsen !! i know better , If i invest £16k (eclipse)i defiantly know this will be outdated in a years or so, like for like i can buy 4 generations of sony for less than one BV!!?, Past examples bv 7 versions 8-10 years pretty much worthless/given away !! ! bv 5 the same unless later models so why this will be any different?? Once bitten twice shy am afraid
Lars Ladingkaer: Puncher: I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies, rather than the coloured-filter picture of led. Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing. Beware that the default picture modes with enhanced colours, details and contrast can be quite terrible, this also goes for the Eclipse. But Eclipse ships with two more suitable modes: Expert light room Expert dark room They look to be calibrated picture modes. One for light rooms (daylight) and another for dark rooms (evening/night) /Lars
Puncher: I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies, rather than the coloured-filter picture of led. Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing.
I understand the differences but, not having been in the market for a tv for a while, have read only good things about oled and had expected a more "plasma-like" picture, given they are both "light emitting" technologies, rather than the coloured-filter picture of led.
Maybe I'm over-reacting to what was a very short viewing.
Beware that the default picture modes with enhanced colours, details and contrast can be quite terrible, this also goes for the Eclipse.
But Eclipse ships with two more suitable modes:
They look to be calibrated picture modes. One for light rooms (daylight) and another for dark rooms (evening/night)
/Lars
I don't know why Lars did not post the link to his - the first one I have seen - more indepth going test of the BV Eclipse:
But here we go:
http://www.recordere.dk/2017/09/test-beovision-eclipse-oled-den-nye-konge-af-tv-lyd/
Maybe he was worried about it being in danish.
Feel free to use Google Translate, if you have to.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Excellent... thanks MM!
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
English (translated) link here...
ed7:I looked at the Sony Brivia 55 at today's price is £2999 in john lewis/currys etc!,much better tv than LG tv imho ,even got iPhone mirroring so no need to ATV ,am not going to compare it to Bang & olufsen !! i know better , If i invest £16k (eclipse)i defiantly know this will be outdated in a years or so, like for like i can buy 4 generations of sony for less than one BV!!?, Past examples bv 7 versions 8-10 years pretty much worthless/given away !! ! bv 5 the same unless later models so why this will be any different?? Once bitten twice shy am afraid
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ed7: I looked at the Sony Brivia 55 at today's price is £2999 in john lewis/currys etc!,much better tv than LG tv imho ,even got iPhone mirroring so no need to ATV ,am not going to compare it to Bang & olufsen !! i know better , If i invest £16k (eclipse)i defiantly know this will be outdated in a years or so, like for like i can buy 4 generations of sony for less than one BV!!?, Past examples bv 7 versions 8-10 years pretty much worthless/given away !! ! bv 5 the same unless later models so why this will be any different?? Once bitten twice shy am afraid
Hard to argue with that reasoning, and I think many share it including me. You can buy a lot of displays for the price of the Eclipse, or one gigantic one for real cinema like size. Whether the Game clips sells depends on how many want a Beovision at all costs. Will be interesting as the sales numbers start to come in.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Eclipse, not game clips, I love autocorrect.
Folks, another thought worth discussing...
I think that the reason Eclipse was not introduced in 77 inch model is that the LG 77 inch TVs use "Picture on Glass" design which may require significant additional work from designing point as compared to 55 inch and 65 inch where B&O used the C7 TV with a standard plastic back.
Could it be that we may see a proper BV Eclipse in 77 inch as B&O will have to take into consideration of Glass Surround and will be forced to put some serious design effort ?
Any thoughts ?
Just learned today that the Eclipse will not (!) be able to control the BS9k, or work together with the BV5 and BL8k in a multiroom setup. It looks like B&O have got similar requests from existing customers, but with the current SW setup it will not work. Hopefully B&O will upgrade the Eclipse sw to enable such a setup.
So that means that we either have to wait (until a sw update) or upgrade the BV5 to a pre-owned Beovision (11, 12, 14 or Avant) or buy a new 14 or Avant.
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BeoET: Just learned today that the Eclipse will not (!) be able to control the BS9k, or work together with the BV5 and BL8k in a multiroom setup. It looks like B&O have got similar requests from existing customers, but with the current SW setup it will not work. Hopefully B&O will upgrade the Eclipse sw to enable such a setup. So that means that we either have to wait (until a sw update) or upgrade the BV5 to a pre-owned Beovision (11, 12, 14 or Avant) or buy a new 14 or Avant.
Thanks for this post. It is a great question. I have read the setup instructions for the Beovision Eclipse. It will work with NL products such as Beosound 2 but I could not find any reference to a NL/ML converter or the limitations of earlier products. Maybe some of the dealers who post on Beoworld have some ideas.
linder: It will work with NL products such as Beosound 2 but I could not find any reference to a NL/ML converter or the limitations of earlier products. Maybe some of the dealers who post on Beoworld have some ideas.
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program the BLC connected ML product as a source of an Essence mkII. Start this source on the Essence and JOIN the Eclipse!
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elephant:Is there a "beosystem 5" inside the soundbar
No - that would imply a video engine included.
Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: elephant:Is there a "beosystem 5" inside the soundbar No - that would imply a video engine included.
But presumably there is a PUC module to control the screen.... the reverse of what is found in previous Beovisions.
Graham
vikinger: Puncher: elephant:Is there a "beosystem 5" inside the soundbar No - that would imply a video engine included. But presumably there is a PUC module to control the screen.... the reverse of what is found in previous Beovisions. Graham
There is a videopart in Sound Center as well, since it handles the primary HDMI-inputs. But its merely af videoswitcher like the one found in AV-receivers, switching inputs to the TV-part.
I don't see any videoprocessing in Sound Center.
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What I am starting to wonder is if it is now too late now for B&O to recover or come back on the TV front. For example, I have been waiting a few years purposely for this OLED in the desperate hope that it would be the right TV. I would never wait so long with any other brand so if that doesn't show loyalty, hope and support for my favourite brand on my part I don't know what does. Like many of its recent predecessors, it hasn't been even close to what I expected, and in many ways its shortcomings are even worse (in my opinion) in the sense of less B&O. I simply can't keep waiting for the generation 2 in the hope this will be what I expect, then generation 3 if generation 2 is a further let down and so on. I think B&O have proved that they just don't get it on the TV front. They're not in touch with what their customers look for in a Bang & Olufsen product anymore.
I will need to buy a TV in the next 6 months when my house renovations are complete and I think I'll be hard pushed paying c£5,000 for an Avant 2014 model or earlier when there are sets like the Sony A1 out there now, let alone what might be available in 6 months. If I do decide to pay 'B&O money' I would get the LG W7 wallpaper TV. Who wouldn't? Let's be serious for a minute, who on earth would buy an Eclipse over that? Some here would perhaps, and if you are one of them (genuinely) then please tell me your reasoning as I am very curious to know how you arrive at this decision.
Lars Ladingkaer:elephant:Is there a "beosystem 5" inside the soundbarPuncher:No - that would imply a video engine included.But presumably there is a PUC module to control the screen.... the reverse of what is found in previous Beovisions.Grahamvikinger:There is a videopart in Sound Center as well, since it handles the primary HDMI-inputs. But its merely af videoswitcher like the one found in AV-receivers, switching inputs to the TV-part.I don't see any videoprocessing in Sound Center./Lars
elephant:D'accord I agree Like you I had been hoping it was THE BeoVision Now I am struggling - perhaps (without your good reasons) I'll also wait for six months ... Deep down I am hoping that I could sit down with someone from Struer and discover there is a lot more behind the covers ... I sincerely deeply fanatically hope so ...
I agree
Like you I had been hoping it was THE BeoVision
Now I am struggling - perhaps (without your good reasons) I'll also wait for six months ...
Deep down I am hoping that I could sit down with someone from Struer and discover there is a lot more behind the covers ... I sincerely deeply fanatically hope so ...
As would I. With a chance to chat to those in Struer I would say, "Listen guys, I would pay c£5,000 for your 3 year old Avant 2014 model if it had full array backlit dimming zones." This would have represented the best panel they could have sourced at the time and justify the premium asking price. However, I would have found it difficult to pay a premium in 2014 for an edge lit TV let alone buy that same model now, 3 years later.
The B&O magic was present in the motorised stands and speakers and quite superbly executed I may add - no complaints there and I loved it. Absolutely fine in the audio department too, as we have come to expect from B&O and generally never found disappointment, but... falling short in the video/picture department. The 4K capabilities were not up to date with cheaper competitors; neither HDMI and HDR capabilities when that were available on other sets.
It's fine to charge a premium price IF the product justifies the price tag. It didn't and neither has anything since.
I should really be asking B&O (rather than the forum) why they expected customers to buy their televisions? I should very much like to here their reasoning and justification. It is clear they are fighting a losing battle.
There are people with money to burn; those who don't care about the technology and just want the name, I accept this fact. I am not one of them but acknowledge there is a market. I question though just what percentage of the marketplace this is and whether it enough to keep the brand afloat? I hope so for B&O's sake, I really really do.
A question I'd like to ask, following SHEFFIELD claiming a number of Eclipse sales.
Who on here has actually pre-ordered/bought an Eclipse? There's a lot of people on this forum - someone must have placed an order. If so, when do you receive you set?
Another 'look' at the BV Eclipse.
A regular test will follow - I suppose also on the Flatpanelshd-site
http://www.flatpanels.dk/nyhed.php?subaction=showfull&id=1505129811
elephant: The B&O doco even discourages you from using the spare LG HDMI ports on the panel !
The B&O doco even discourages you from using the spare LG HDMI ports on the panel !
You can use these, for sure - but if you want PUC-controlling of the connected devices, you must use those in the SoundCenter.
Mikipedia:The main reason iam still up in the air over the eclipse is mostly the sound and sound integration. Granted i'd be looking at the 55" version now as i truely can't justify the price of the 65". I'd rather have the 65" but my livingroom isn't that big and i can live with the 55" as its already an upgrade from my bv10-46. I too have been waiting purpousfully on this lg screen and am somewhat disapointed by how much lg there is in the viewing experience. Having said that iam very happy with the sound of it, so its a very mixed bag.
elephant:is 1,500 cafe lattes too much to pay for an extra 10" ?
Who can drink 1,500 cafe lattes? Hope this answers your question
moxxey:A question I'd like to ask, following SHEFFIELD claiming a number of Eclipse sales. Who on here has actually pre-ordered/bought an Eclipse? There's a lot of people on this forum - someone must have placed an order. If so, when do you receive you set?
elephant:I have thought of that option. In Australian dollars the delta between 65" and 55" is $22,000 - $16,000 = $6,000 ... is 1,500 cafe lattes too much to pay for an extra 10" ? BeoNut since '75
BAND'OH!:I will need to buy a TV in the next 6 months when my house renovations are complete and I think I'll be hard pushed paying c£5,000 for an Avant 2014 model or earlier when there are sets like the Sony A1 out there now, let alone what might be available in 6 months.
KMA
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KMA:CES 2018 is in January, only a four (!!) months from now. Sony, Panasonic & others will present their new top-of-the-line OLEDs. We already know where Loewe is heading, seeing their prototypes at IFA (FlatpanelsHD has an article on them). It's that time of year when all this year's models start to come down in price, and many already have (LG C7 55", which is in Eclipse, has dropped from €3.790 to €2.490, and dropping). What is certain is that Eclipse's price will not drop to reflect the LG prices, so its value proposition gets worse all the time. If B&O is not a necessity because of multiroom, or blind brand loyalty, now may not be the best time to make a decision on what to get. 4 months will make your wiser. KMA B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
KMA: BAND'OH!: I will need to buy a TV in the next 6 months when my house renovations are complete and I think I'll be hard pushed paying c£5,000 for an Avant 2014 model or earlier when there are sets like the Sony A1 out there now, let alone what might be available in 6 months. CES 2018 is in January, only a four (!!) months from now. Sony, Panasonic & others will present their new top-of-the-line OLEDs. We already know where Loewe is heading, seeing their prototypes at IFA (FlatpanelsHD has an article on them). It's that time of year when all this year's models start to come down in price, and many already have (LG C7 55", which is in Eclipse, has dropped from €3.790 to €2.490, and dropping). What is certain is that Eclipse's price will not drop to reflect the LG prices, so its value proposition gets worse all the time. If B&O is not a necessity because of multiroom, or blind brand loyalty, now may not be the best time to make a decision on what to get. 4 months will make your wiser.
BAND'OH!: I will need to buy a TV in the next 6 months when my house renovations are complete and I think I'll be hard pushed paying c£5,000 for an Avant 2014 model or earlier when there are sets like the Sony A1 out there now, let alone what might be available in 6 months.
I will need to buy a TV in the next 6 months when my house renovations are complete and I think I'll be hard pushed paying c£5,000 for an Avant 2014 model or earlier when there are sets like the Sony A1 out there now, let alone what might be available in 6 months.
CES 2018 is in January, only a four (!!) months from now. Sony, Panasonic & others will present their new top-of-the-line OLEDs. We already know where Loewe is heading, seeing their prototypes at IFA (FlatpanelsHD has an article on them).
It's that time of year when all this year's models start to come down in price, and many already have (LG C7 55", which is in Eclipse, has dropped from €3.790 to €2.490, and dropping). What is certain is that Eclipse's price will not drop to reflect the LG prices, so its value proposition gets worse all the time.
If B&O is not a necessity because of multiroom, or blind brand loyalty, now may not be the best time to make a decision on what to get. 4 months will make your wiser.
What if there is a LG C8 in the BVEclipse this time next year?
Barry Santini: As I've said, B&O shoukd make a stand/soundbar/connection panel that accepts the LG screen of the day/owner's choosing
As I've said, B&O shoukd make a stand/soundbar/connection panel that accepts the LG screen of the day/owner's choosing
We've been over this and dismissed it. Completely impractical for various (and very obvious) reasons:
1) B&O has no idea what LG is producing and the middle part of the soundbar needs to fit the panel snuggly for it not to look like a mess. How on earth does B&O produce a universal soundbar to suit current LGs and future LGs? For example, if I went out and spent £2500 on the soundbar now, and want to "pick and choose an LG screen at my leisure" (which is what you're implying), when does that leisure guarantee end? Will B&O 'guarantee' my soundbar fits the panel released in only 6 months time?
2) The soundbar would be extremely expensive on its own. Possibly as much as £2500 or more. Really, seriously, how many soundbars would B&O sell at that price? Most people I know think £800 is a lot for a soundbar.
3) How would B&O integrate the PUC and other elements with a completely separate panel? There's some basic interaction between LG and B&O.
4) The LG panel has a custom back panel. Are you saying that this is disregarded by B&O and you simply just walk into your local high street retailer, pick up any old LG panel, grab your £2500 soundbar from B&O and simply "slot it in and go"?
Do people actually *think* things through?
Not this again?
Wonderful idea in theory, but totally unworkable in practice, i agree.
And i'd add a bit to that 2500 cost (the A9 is 1800 as it is).
In an imaginary universe where this thing exists, if it had some LG plug i guarantee, it would be around 4500.
But anyway, it doesn't exist, so the above is not time well spent, with all due respect to the suggestion.
Millemissen: What if there is a LG C8 in the BVEclipse this time next year?
Yes, there will be a new LG OLED in Eclipse each year.
Expect Eclipse to ship with C8 from sometime next year and C9 the year after.
Thats what B&O told us at the IFA show.
moxxey: Barry Santini: As I've said, B&O shoukd make a stand/soundbar/connection panel that accepts the LG screen of the day/owner's choosing We've been over this and dismissed it. Completely impractical for various (and very obvious) reasons: 1) B&O has no idea what LG is producing and the middle part of the soundbar needs to fit the panel snuggly for it not to look like a mess. How on earth does B&O produce a universal soundbar to suit current LGs and future LGs? For example, if I went out and spent £2500 on the soundbar now, and want to "pick and choose an LG screen at my leisure" (which is what you're implying), when does that leisure guarantee end? Will B&O 'guarantee' my soundbar fits the panel released in only 6 months time? 2) The soundbar would be extremely expensive on its own. Possibly as much as £2500 or more. Really, seriously, how many soundbars would B&O sell at that price? Most people I know think £800 is a lot for a soundbar. 3) How would B&O integrate the PUC and other elements with a completely separate panel? There's some basic interaction between LG and B&O. 4) The LG panel has a custom back panel. Are you saying that this is disregarded by B&O and you simply just walk into your local high street retailer, pick up any old LG panel, grab your £2500 soundbar from B&O and simply "slot it in and go"? Do people actually *think* things through?
Have you noticed the several previous Beovisions that have a separate sound bar? Quite easy for the screen to have it's separate wall mount or motorised column mount with the sound bar. The panel does not have to slot into the sound bar unless you want a particular look like the Eclipse.
Millemissen:What if there is a LG C8 in the BVEclipse this time next year?MMThere is a tv - and there is a BV.
Not sure that makes any difference to the thought process above.
I think the point is that if he is thinking of going non-BV, he can chose a 2017 model (Sony, Loewe whatever) or opt for a 2018 model in the new year.
Anyway, those 2018 models won't hit the stores until May 2018 at the earliest, so its not a 6 month wait from here, more like 9-10 months.
As for price drops, i wonder if Loewe prices really do drop very much in the last few months of their cycle. LG etc, sure, they drop. Loewe not so sure, of thats one of the options.