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You know what, when I first saw the Eclipse back in May, I wasn't sure - bit like when I sometimes see a new model of a car than I loved the earlier version, then it grows on me and I love the new one, and the older model just looks dated... well that's how it is for me with Eclipse, see it everyday and love it, and Avant just looks a little dated! Fortunately, so do my customers - not had one negative comment so far, and we are taking regular orders for both sizes with 55" just edging it. But of course, it's all subjective...
boskonay: By all accounts the picture / video is superb,,,
By all accounts the picture / video is superb,,,
I don't think you'll find anyone saying otherwise, the LG C7 TV gets excellent reviews. The only bone of contention is that other manufacturers have shown that it is possible to improve upon the picture quality from the donor panel over and above that achieved by LG, whereas B&O haven't bothered.
This is possibly the first TV sold by B&O which doesn't have the best possible picture available given the restrictions of the basic donor panel (either CRT, plasma or LCD).
Ban boring signatures!
ErikVonAgnar: Well, Beo has done Brass now and not many have bought those because it is a fashion that is in right now. Aluminium is a safe bet in design. It will always looks good and be first choice for customers. And Beo has now been doing wood alternativs. Aluminium is the best both for design and build quality. //EA
Well, Beo has done Brass now and not many have bought those because it is a fashion that is in right now. Aluminium is a safe bet in design. It will always looks good and be first choice for customers. And Beo has now been doing wood alternativs.
Aluminium is the best both for design and build quality.
//EA
Don’t forget EVA that as the TV is using HDMI 2 as it is the ARC channel, you can rename the input on the LG TV to whatever you want if you don’t want it to say “HDMI 2”. YOu may even be able to leave just a clear label.
I was just watching a video on it.
Of course people like different things but there is a lot of hate and miss understanding about the Eclipse and that it is "only a LG screen".
1. Many complain about the interface and that the WebOS lacks the gyro mouse. Well I have the Avant 55" first gen and Beoplay V1 that has the same interface. I think that the interface on the Avant is elegant but very boring and can get other users that is not know to be very confused. (I have had the Avant for two years and my girlfriend still complains about it being to complicated). The WebOS is more alive and flashy, yet you recognize the interface. If you are used to the interface on Avant, BV11 or V1 you will easy get to make your sound and pictures settings. No gyro mouse? Well, that would not be very B&O. That is a little bit too much Nintendo Wii. And I would not like to see my girlfriend flopping the Beoremote one in the air like that.And the interface is much better in my mind then Avant NG, BV14 and Horizon. And now I think Beovision Eclipse is a true Smart TV. I have never ever used the Smart TV apps on the Avant.2, It doesn't have Beolink or Multiroom access? Well, it's on the way. This is still a very new TV. Still better then the BV 14 in these early days but software will come.
3, The Eclipse doesn't have any moving speakerbar like the Avant, but the BV14 dosn't have that either, so? For me as an Avant user the moving speakers can be somewhat irritating sometimes. When you accidentell press the Off button instead of the pause button. And before you have corrected it the cinematic screen has closed and the speakers are on the way up. Yeah, it is a cool show of thing for friends but when you watch TV or film in your everyday situations it's unnecessary. It's only noticeable when you turn of and on the TV.
4, Have you experienced that the Eclipse is flimsy? Well, the Avant on the floor stand can be very shaky and flimsy sometimes when you change the positions. The sound on the Avant is very good yes. But as good as your BL9? Well, I have owned the BL9 and had them next to the Avant. Well, there was a big difference. The tweeter and the clarity, yes. But midrange and bass, No! The Soundbar on the Avant is good for TV use and some TV series but not for movies and effects. The bass rattles very much and gets very easy flat in the sound if you only use the Avant speakers. And would not use Avant speakers for music either. I felt that the soundbar on the Eclipse had more power in midrange and bass then the Avant did. The sound was more clear and I think that has to do that the speakerbar is more exposed to the listener then speakers on the Avant. Many speakers on the Avant is behind the TV screen.
5, Well, if you want to have a cheaper solution for a TV but still want the same picture experience there are other brand yes. But Loewe and same screens from LG or Sony don't match the design of the rest of your B&O products. The Eclipse is and still looks like an exclusive TV that many will recognize from Beo design. Loewe still feels cheep and looks more like a LG or Sony then an Eclipse or BV14.
6, For me personally, I'm not disappointed about Beo's partnership will LG or that the Eclipse is a "LG screen on a Beo speaker". For Beo to keep up with the fast development in TVs I think this is a good choice. If I go and spend 80 000 - 120 000 SEK on a Beovision I don't want it do be two years old in tech. Absolutely not! I want the latest thing so let LG make the best screens and let Beo do the sound and design. Best of two worlds.
And I like that B&O has a such wide range of TVs at the moment yet very different in approach.Horizon, Urban design for those who are new and maybe younger then some Beofans. And still very nice and modern.Avant, A discreet TV when not in use but a technical marvel that has a true "wow-factor" when it's being used.BV14, (need a better name!) Is a elegant piece of furniture in your home that is not discreet and should't be either.Eclipse, The best TV and sound experience. The latest stuff and very user friendly.
No disrespect for your opinion but you can't bad mouthing the Eclipse that easy just because of some technical data/figures. There are always two different sides on a coin.
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ErikVonAgnar: Of course people like different things but there is a lot of hate and miss understanding about the Eclipse and that it is "only a LG screen". 1. Many complain about the interface and that the WebOS lacks the gyro mouse. Well I have the Avant 55" first gen and Beoplay V1 that has the same interface. I think that the interface on the Avant is elegant but very boring and can get other users that is not know to be very confused. (I have had the Avant for two years and my girlfriend still complains about it being to complicated). The WebOS is more alive and flashy, yet you recognize the interface. If you are used to the interface on Avant, BV11 or V1 you will easy get to make your sound and pictures settings. No gyro mouse? Well, that would not be very B&O. That is a little bit too much Nintendo Wii. And I would not like to see my girlfriend flopping the Beoremote one in the air like that.And the interface is much better in my mind then Avant NG, BV14 and Horizon. And now I think Beovision Eclipse is a true Smart TV. I have never ever used the Smart TV apps on the Avant.2, It doesn't have Beolink or Multiroom access? Well, it's on the way. This is still a very new TV. Still better then the BV 14 in these early days but software will come. 3, The Eclipse doesn't have any moving speakerbar like the Avant, but the BV14 dosn't have that either, so? For me as an Avant user the moving speakers can be somewhat irritating sometimes. When you accidentell press the Off button instead of the pause button. And before you have corrected it the cinematic screen has closed and the speakers are on the way up. Yeah, it is a cool show of thing for friends but when you watch TV or film in your everyday situations it's unnecessary. It's only noticeable when you turn of and on the TV. 4, Have you experienced that the Eclipse is flimsy? Well, the Avant on the floor stand can be very shaky and flimsy sometimes when you change the positions. The sound on the Avant is very good yes. But as good as your BL9? Well, I have owned the BL9 and had them next to the Avant. Well, there was a big difference. The tweeter and the clarity, yes. But midrange and bass, No! The Soundbar on the Avant is good for TV use and some TV series but not for movies and effects. The bass rattles very much and gets very easy flat in the sound if you only use the Avant speakers. And would not use Avant speakers for music either. I felt that the soundbar on the Eclipse had more power in midrange and bass then the Avant did. The sound was more clear and I think that has to do that the speakerbar is more exposed to the listener then speakers on the Avant. Many speakers on the Avant is behind the TV screen. 5, Well, if you want to have a cheaper solution for a TV but still want the same picture experience there are other brand yes. But Loewe and same screens from LG or Sony don't match the design of the rest of your B&O products. The Eclipse is and still looks like an exclusive TV that many will recognize from Beo design. Loewe still feels cheep and looks more like a LG or Sony then an Eclipse or BV14. 6, For me personally, I'm not disappointed about Beo's partnership will LG or that the Eclipse is a "LG screen on a Beo speaker". For Beo to keep up with the fast development in TVs I think this is a good choice. If I go and spend 80 000 - 120 000 SEK on a Beovision I don't want it do be two years old in tech. Absolutely not! I want the latest thing so let LG make the best screens and let Beo do the sound and design. Best of two worlds. And I like that B&O has a such wide range of TVs at the moment yet very different in approach.Horizon, Urban design for those who are new and maybe younger then some Beofans. And still very nice and modern.Avant, A discreet TV when not in use but a technical marvel that has a true "wow-factor" when it's being used.BV14, (need a better name!) Is a elegant piece of furniture in your home that is not discreet and should't be either.Eclipse, The best TV and sound experience. The latest stuff and very user friendly. No disrespect for your opinion but you can't bad mouthing the Eclipse that easy just because of some technical data/figures. There are always two different sides on a coin. //EA
No no please dont be positive we all hate the Eclipse
I am 100% with you, but it seems that this forum have more hate on the products then ever before.
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Thank you EVG for your very detailed comments above. I like very much how you present your experiences and it proves very helpful for me in making a decision with my next TV. I have BL9s but no TV currently, and I am considering the Avant Gen 1 or Eclipse, all of which you are commenting on, so this is extremely useful.
I saw the Eclipse again today at a different dealer - it was wall mounted. The design still doesn't captive me and I think it does look very big (too big really) for a 55" model. I am happy with an older TV such as the Avant and I like all the motorised movements, but the compromise of course is an older technology with edge lit light bleed that I will undoubtedly notice. Its difficult because neither set has everything I am looking for.
I am sure you will have many happy times ahead with your Eclipse purchase and thank you for sharing your thoughts in such detail. Simon.
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1. Well - the system is designed for a gyromouse. Apple TV is designed with a touchpad in mind and that works great too. Using that I get much more out of the experience and can move easier and use more features that I don't use when I use the beoremote since it is more cumbersome. I wish they had tried to extend the feature outside just arrowpad (remember the latest Beo4 was a try with an added joystick).2. It does not really do all of that. And I don't like promises like "it is on its way". I don't think they will implement home integration - which was a big deal of Beovisions up until the android mess (is that even resolved?). I like having the possiblity to connect my smart home with my TV. Adjust lights, temperature, drapes etc from the TV and I think many else do as well. Many B&O customers probably have installers make this so they never realize themselves how much work has gone into these things.3. I like the moving speaker but it is not a necessity - absolutely. However this won't change what happens when one accidentally turn the TV off since that means turning off everything else. On my Avant an accidental powering off can easily be resolved by quickly pressing TV - and then it will abort the turning off procedure. 4. Yes, extremely flimsy. Since the Eclipse is made up of a fake/cheap aluminium backing and no structural backing except for the panel itself and a cheap plastic frame - it does not hold its shape if you move it manually. The Avant is easy to move manually without the remote and is very solid. The stand is not on the middle of the back as on the Avant, it is below the speaker bar - meaning a lot of force towards the base of the set and cheaper/less material costs for production - that is not seen in the price though. Meaning it is very flimsy. I think the Avant, BV10/11/14 and BV7 is extremely solid and they do not bend.5. Cheaper is one thing but mainly I want a system that looks good both turned on and off. Navigating through menus and interfaces has to be absolutely world class for me otherwise it is a turn off. The Eclipse interface, menues and handling really is horrifying. I can't accept that myself. Thats the main issue I have with the TV. Some other sets have better interfaces and picture handling. Loewe combines good looks, good materials and good looking interface. Just like B&O used to do but now does not do. That is why I mentioned the Bild for example because they are the closest I can come. The Eclipse looks like a B&O but does not act like one. It has advantages of course and I want to like it but the extremely bad interface and handling is really a downer for me. It is very speedy, integrates well with powerlink thanks to the soundcentre and has a nice stand. Tries to look like glass but the only glass I see is below the speakerbar to make it look more exclusive than it really is. The SoundCentre is the elegant part that makes it all shine. (I really, really wish they made one without a built in TV!! - not only because it would be more future proof - I have been wanting to cut the TV out of my living room and use a projector instead.)6. Hard to argue with because it does not really mean anything. WebOS TV´s don't get new WebOS either. You will stay on that platform and just receive smaller updates until the new OS comes out for the next year TVs. All technology moves forward in a high pace. B&O don't have to invent a lot to have their own interface and system integration but they would gain so, so much - and their customers too. Now they loose a lot of control and it is very clearly seen when using the Eclipse. If they can regain it then sure it might be a better fit but still. The Eclipse lacks so much that the older sets do have and the new technology makes it hard for people to realize this. The great calibration, color temperature sensor, color accuracy and so on. Sure, OLED is amazing but its a generic panel and it lacks the B&O integration and software design. It really just is a regular LG. The money you are talking about, that is what you pay for the stand and soundcentre, and then just a very small portion of that is for the panel itself.As soon as one buys a TV it is old. It was old already and that investment will never go up. I don't see that the Eclipse would be different. And by this thinking I would reason that it would be more convenient with the SoundCentre alone and add a panel that can easily be changed. Now the SoundCentre is actually quite useless if a better OLED comes out - even if you can toss the panel since you can't fit a new one on it. I am not badmouthing the TV, and I feel sad that you put those words in my mouth. I just don't look for a TV that looks nice and has great picture. It needs to be really great, the best actually - in its user interface and ease of use. I do not want a clumpsy interface and bad handling. Since this is what I will use when I will relax at home I really prioritize the best experience. An OLED panel is something I definitely want but I cant make compromises on the other parts of the unit. I think a lot of people agree and that some people don't care too much. After all B&O just has a tiny part of the market and most people settle on using several remotes and ugly, stupid and/or cumbersome interfaces. We are all used to these things in everyday life but I like design. Design is when things are made to be used easily and make us happy, and that also might look good :-). So just different reactions and impressions by different BeoWorlders. I am happy you look forward to your Eclipse. I though will wait until something comes out that is more what I want. Or I'll stick with my Avant or get something else maybe. I can't say for now. It is mostly just confusing.
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Michael:I though will wait until something comes out that is more what I want. Or I'll stick with my Avant or get something else maybe. I can't say for now. It is mostly just confusing.
Same situation. Will wait for another effort by B&O or get something else (perhaps) and staying with my BV9 until then...
svinaik: Michael:I though will wait until something comes out that is more what I want. Or I'll stick with my Avant or get something else maybe. I can't say for now. It is mostly just confusing. Same situation. Will wait for another effort by B&O or get something else (perhaps) and staying with my BV9 until then...
The same for me too. Although I have now made the decision to buy the Avant Gen 1 2014 model. I still wanted the B&O experience as much as I would love to have tried the Bild 7 from Loewe. A part of me wants to scream at B&O saying, "You don't know how lucky you are!" I think they are a complete shambles to be honest and I am very disappointed at what the company has become. I feel they have sold their soul for the sake of money and shareholders. Simon.
BAND'OH!: svinaik: Michael:I though will wait until something comes out that is more what I want. Or I'll stick with my Avant or get something else maybe. I can't say for now. It is mostly just confusing. Same situation. Will wait for another effort by B&O or get something else (perhaps) and staying with my BV9 until then... The same for me too. Although I have now made the decision to buy the Avant Gen 1 2014 model. I still wanted the B&O experience as much as I would love to have tried the Bild 7 from Loewe. A part of me wants to scream at B&O saying, "You don't know how lucky you are!" I think they are a complete shambles to be honest and I am very disappointed at what the company has become. I feel they have sold their soul for the sake of money and shareholders. Simon.
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Thank you all, including KVA, for your thoughtful discussions.
Shortly I will post a 3rd hand review by my wife (I don't believe I posted this over a week ago, so this hopefully will be the first and non-inconsistent feedback of her views)) but I wanted to firstly say that I too am confused ....
And since my visit in Melbourne 3 weeks ago I have fluctuated back and forth based upon this thread's debates and some of the information that has come to light. So I run hot and cold and hot and cold over the Eclipse - whereas the new Avant was always a clear WOW I want it (but can't afford it).
But like the reviewers above I am now leaning away to one of:
a) waiting another year ... and sticking with the BV8-40
b) sighing and buying an interim 55" Beovision (maybe even an Horizon :/)
c) double sighing and buying a Loewe
d) saying "to h311 with it" and buying a much lower cost LG B7 and doing the integration myself
Part of these calculations is looking at the price of a 77" OLED which I think is close to the Eclipse's price :(
Probably procrastination and busyness in the rest of my life will win out and we will stick with the BV8 for its 6th year
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As stated in my previous post I would provide my wife's review of the range of OLED screens ...
I took my wife to Selfridges the other week and asked her to ignore image quality/ technology (everything was OLED more or less from the same manufacturer) and sound and simply focus on design.
In order - with her reaction - we looked at:
Sony A1 - no
Loewe Bild - no - did not like their stands
Panasonic - no
LG B7 - no
LG E7 - yes
B&O Eclipse - NO
well well that strategy of a progressive reveal failed !
So we then looked around the B&O area and she provided this feedback ...
B&O Horizon - yes
B&O Avant - yes
B&O BV14 - no, on account of the wood
We then did a comparison between the Panasonic OLED and LCD that were side by side and the store kindly ran a synchronised demo of movie scenes.
I chose OLED.
She chose LCD - which astonished me - but she preferred the softer washed out tones. Hence being happy with non-Eclipses !!!
So as stated earlier; I am considering an Horizon, a B7 (maybe she won't notice the screen difference when its not side by side), or the E7 (but you said you liked THIS one), or just waiting another 12-18 months ..........
The wife review! Love it - we should make this a regular feature, always an interesting perspective.
Interesting that, assuming from a design point of view, she preferred the E7 to the B7 - they're not that different form wise, but small aspects obviously can swing things. I had the 14 with the cloth fret, so thats always there as an option - design wise its still the nicest B& O do, IMHO.
In terms of waiting to see what else B&O put out - does the (for want of better description) modular approach they took with LG in producing the Eclipse, mean they can put out an Horizon or 11/14 design with an OLED?
I suspect not, but thats just a suspicion - otherwise they might have already gone down that route, maybe concurrently with releasing the newly designed Eclipse. An OLED Horizon / 14 would do quite well for them i suspect, outside of those who are structurally averse to the LG GUI.
Anyway, i was in a similar position last autumn (for my bedroom, non-main screen) - returned the 14 i put there for an ex-dsiplay Avant (pre Android), thought about waiting for the Eclipse but didn't and generally happy (the Avant has a better panel than the newer ones in the 14 / Horizon).
While the 14 i had at times produced a very nice picture, there were many times i was horrified by its inability to process dark scenes, to the point of being unwatchable - i'd pause it, and carry on watching on my-12-65. Its not easy to pick these deficiencies up in a store test. And the Horizon will have the same issues. (The Avant i got as replacement is also not brilliant at dark scenes, but its better, and more generally has a much nicer more natural image)
But i'd say this - for a main screen, i would never use an LCD / LED ( i have a 12-65 there) - so i'd definitely prioritise PQ, and look very hard at the new OLEDs.
The only LED / LCD exception i would make would be the Sony ZD9 - at 3.5k is a good placeholder option. Has superb video processing (better with regular broadcast HD viewing than the LG's), HDR looks excellent on it, and while it has Android, they tend to get the latest versions (vs the B&O versions), and has a fuller range of apps. Sony still say its their flagship, much as they are pushing the A1.
Integration issues, cant comment on - others seem to have got there with non-B&O TV's, so all do-able.
And there is a decent chance that once integrated, you'll be more than happy with a non-B&O TV for 5 years or so - so i wouldn't regard the non-B&O placeholder option as literally that ( i know, my choice of words).
*Also the A1 sound, while in some senses impressive, i found extremely underpowered when i spent some time with it (in a quiet John Lewis).
elephant: Sony A1 - no Loewe Bild - no - did not like their stands Panasonic - no LG B7 - no LG E7 - yes B&O Eclipse - NO
Very interestingly the same reaction from my wife vas well. My wife (and I also) have reservations on the Loewe Stand but since we are yet to see in person, we are holding off our final observation. If Loewe had the B&O stand, it would have been the outright winner. We are visiting Europe next week and will confirm our final interest or lack there of in Loewe.
On the LG front, we have personal experience on the B, C, E etc. as we recently bought both C765 & E765 for our kids who are living in different cities. E7 is way more well put together (Looks / Material / Remote) and I would not have bought C7 if E7 was available at the price not far from C7. As it happens, we bought the C765 first @ US$ 2700 but E7 was almost $ 800 more and my son refused to pay the extra. Only 2 months later, when we were buying for our daughter, E7 was available at almost the same price that we paid for the C7(~ US $ 2850).
On the Eclipse, it is already a no go (big part of the No Go is the value proposition vis-a-vis alternatives) and on the LED / OLED side, we have already made up our mind to get OLED as the next TV. The miss on the B&O LED range is HDR. If Avant had HDR, I will forget the LED / OLED part and go for Avant straight away but B&O is not updating the Avant for the HDR part at all.
elephant: Part of these calculations is looking at the price of a 77" OLED which I think is close to the Eclipse's price :(
Here again we are thinking very similarly. I will take a close look at Loewe 77 as that TV can be had at a lower price than Eclipse 65. Design/ interface is pleasing Buon Loewe but the stands are a bit off put off.
if we do end up getting a Loewe, I will do the integration myself too...
svinaik and sandyb
I am glad our feedback matches your evaluations !
Good luck to all of us on our explorations and decisions :)
Great wife review Elephant ! Lucky you who can do such shopping.
BeoGreg: Great wife review Elephant ! Lucky you who can do such shopping.
Thanks Greg
She is a treasure
But I do have to return the kind deed on many an occasion when she shops for frocks et al !
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Stunning!
Mikipedia, that's nice looking setup
Congratulation
Damn! So jealous! Getting my Eclipse this Saturday but I have to live with my BL5's for a little while before I go for BL50's.
Hats of to you, well done! Stunning
As already stated ...Stunning! Am very eager for the Eclipse to arrive in the US so I can visit my dealer to see it and hear the 50s.
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Very very nice. Now that one can see it in a real living environment, it looks even better.
I had to return my Avant 55 to the deal for a full refund after 18months of false promises that they couldn't deliver on.
I'm happy to say that I've removed all B&O TV's from my home and purchased LG tv's. They are more advanced and feature packed.
There is no way I would waste the ridiculous amounts of money on TV's from B&O.
Why would I buy an Eclipse when it is an LG.
My understanding is it is fully manufactured by LG, not just the panel, which all manufacturers are using for their OLEDs.
The Flatpanels BV Eclipse review:
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1507176752
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
nothing new really....at a high level, great specs, price too high, missing some B&O magic.....and some fo the detailed critique echoed concerns expressed here (Netflix buttons, B&O software add on feeling disjointed etc etc)
the only clarification was the unlikely panel upgrading...why people hoped for this imagined for feature, i dont know...at least we can put that to bed pretty much...
the only judgemental nuance was that he thought it still felt like using a B&O television rather than an LG. Of course these judgments are in part subjective, and the truth is always in the middle. But still leaves open the debate of whether people feel the premium is worth paying for - and that only individuals can answer for themselves, which was always the case with BV's, harder though it may be this time.
So very high marks, though their scoring doesnt include a value (for money) category ( intentionally i guess)
This review is not going to change anyone's mind (at least on this forum)
Mikipedia:Thank you, got installed last night. So i didn't sleep all that much.
Sandyb: nothing new really....at a high level, great specs, price too high, missing some B&O magic.....and some fo the detailed critique echoed concerns expressed here (Netflix buttons, B&O software add on feeling disjointed etc etc) the only clarification was the unlikely panel upgrading...why people hoped for this imagined for feature, i dont know...at least we can put that to bed pretty much... the only judgemental nuance was that he thought it still felt like using a B&O television rather than an LG. Of course these judgments are in part subjective, and the truth is always in the middle. But still leaves open the debate of whether people feel the premium is worth paying for - and that only individuals can answer for themselves, which was always the case with BV's, harder though it may be this time. So very high marks, though their scoring doesnt include a value (for money) category ( intentionally i guess) This review is not going to change anyone's mind (at least on this forum)
The FlatpanelsHD site has always been quite kind to B&O in their reviews and it is clear the reviewer is a B&O fan/owner. For example, the Eclipse managed to get one extra point for picture quality (to match the Sony as best picture) than either the LG B7 or E7 which share the same panel and picture processing as the Eclipse, despite having commented on its inferior motion handling to the Sony/Panasonic within the review!
I really like how the picture extends to almost the very edge of the t.v.
Super nice!
didnt pick that up - good spot!
In general, thought he was fairy critical, and reflected many of the concerns / issues that many have mentioned on this thread over the last month
Where he did differ, was in saying that it felt more like a B&O experience than an LG one - thats something a good proportion would take issue with.
And yes, scoring without including value for money (i know its their methodology) essentially misses the point - strong specs are great, but without some of the B&O magic, the price is a trickier to justify than with BV's in the past.
I just did a feedback call / questionnaire this morning with B&O in Denmark (they contacted me) about all things brand B&O - needless to say i reflected software issues in general, and specifically how they relate to the Eclipse. Said that i was much more patient than most, but still ended up returning my BV14, and generally how unacceptable those type of issues are. Nice that they reached out - what they do with the feedback (it wasn't all negative), only time will tell.
Sandyb: This review is not going to change anyone's mind (at least on this forum)
I am pretty sure, that you are right on that!
Despite all crituque here - which differs from person to person - an interested person must ask himself the question:
Do I want such a tv (with all the cons and the certainly the pros), do I skip it (and prefer a cheaper non-BV) or do I try to make my own DIY-solution.
I guess the last part of the conclusion answers at least the last question perfectly.
'Nevertheless, you can try to explore the market for alternatives from competing brands but you will not find one that can match Eclipse on all parameters. Even if you want to try to buy the parts separately to match the picture, audio, wireless surround, music streaming options, and operation, you will need to buy products from at least 3-4 different manufacturers.
If you want everything in an integrated solution then there’s only Eclipse.'
Yes, well thats the positive / optimistic spin.
I'm certainly not in the "i'm unimpressed, sell everything B&O camp" - i think that, to me at least, is a hasty reaction. I really wouldn't want to go down the separate parts route, and would need a lot of persuading - maybe it is possible in a neat enough way, i don't know.
And i''ve done enough research to know that all of the top end TV's from the likes of LG, Panasonic, Sony and Loewe all come with compromises.
One thing is for sure though - whether i bought one or not, i'd be under no illusion that "wow, i'm really getting something special here", which i how i felt when i first saw (and eventually bought) the 12-65.
The review may be the sober, realistic pitch to B&O customers, but it's not a thrilling or compelling proposition, at least compared to some of the BV's in the past. So i wouldn't put quite such an optimistic spin on it, there just isn't the grounds for it.
Sandyb:The review may be the sober, realistic pitch to B&O customers, but it's not a thrilling or compelling proposition, at least compared to some of the BV's in the past. So i wouldn't put quite such an optimistic spin on it, there just isn't the grounds for it.
In a light spirited way, let me summarize the FlatpanelsHD review
1. Picture / experience is pure LG
2. Sound is pure B&O - world Class
3. B&O Integration is a plus
4. Value Proposition (Your Call )
So for most of us on the forum, this is pretty much all known and I found nothing in the review to change my mind. Some on the forum will see the value and buy it and some will stay away. I am in the stay away camp BTW....I am all in at 30% lower price. Not trying to be cheap but that is all the value I can justify in my mind and heart.
You know it is ok to negotiate the price down. I have personally never paid retail for any of my B&O products and if you have a bit of patience then I am sure you may be convinced of the value proposition.
svinaik: Sandyb:The review may be the sober, realistic pitch to B&O customers, but it's not a thrilling or compelling proposition, at least compared to some of the BV's in the past. So i wouldn't put quite such an optimistic spin on it, there just isn't the grounds for it. In a light spirited way, let me summarize the FlatpanelsHD review 1. Picture / experience is pure LG 2. Sound is pure B&O - world Class 3. B&O Integration is a plus 4. Value Proposition (Your Call ) So for most of us on the forum, this is pretty much all known and I found nothing in the review to change my mind. Some on the forum will see the value and buy it and some will stay away. I am in the stay away camp BTW....I am all in at 30% lower price. Not trying to be cheap but that is all the value I can justify in my mind and heart.
Hanschristian:You know it is ok to negotiate the price down. I have personally never paid retail for any of my B&O products and if you have a bit of patience then I am sure you may be convinced of the value proposition.
I don't think standard dealer 5-15% discount comes close to hitting the sweet spot for the "value proposition" for the Eclipse.
Mikipedia:Beolab 1's, beolab 2, beolab 18's, beovision 10-46, overture 2300, beolab 8000's, beolab 4000's, beovision avant 32" etc. etc.
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
on the Australian LG website it shows this as the features of the LG C7
So why is there no mention of Dolby Atmos on the specs for the Eclipse but it mentions Dolby Vision?
Aussie Michael: on the Australian LG website it shows this as the features of the LG C7 OLED Display with no backlight - perfect black, over 1 billion colours Active HDR with Dolby Vision™- more colours, more contrast Dolby Atmos - delivers rich and atmospheric sound So why is there no mention of Dolby Atmos on the specs for the Eclipse but it mentions Dolby Vision?
Presumably because B&O soundbar doesn't implement/support it!