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Apple 4K TV recommends it's Belkin ultra fast cable.
It works since the hardware upgrade
fu21: Apple 4K TV recommends it's Belkin ultra fast cable. It works since the hardware upgrade
If Apple 4K recommended jumping off a cliff, would you?
yes.
And twice on Sundays
Good man fu21!
Do ignore the angry negativity, it’s no wonder this community feels less and less relevant.
Maybe B&O need their own Discourse community...
StUrrock:If Apple 4K recommended jumping off a cliff, would you?
Peter Pan:Copied from the thread of my review of Eclipse on FlatpanelsDK, where I have written the following:There has been some speculation about the possibility of upgrading Eclipse with a newer panel or thatEclipse should be updated from the B & Os page to include a 2018 panel. From a reliable source we have thatEclipse will not be updated neither this year nor next year. The cost of letting LG rebuild a new one model to fit in Eclipse both hardware and software is simply too big for it to pay themselves. In addition, it is estimated that the changes from C7 to C8 are too small to make the user a significant partIt (our own tests confirm the marginal improvement). B & O must have secured a sufficiently large amount of money Lot C7 to continue into next year.
So to summarise, this year's and next year's Eclipse will use last year's panels - excellent, that should help boost sales!
Ban boring signatures!
I am also in trouble with that lack of upgrade. I am indeed a B&O lover, but buying a screen which replacement has been replaced will be hard to accept. i fear this info is true, even if I am afraid it is not.
Little questions: assume I buy a C8 or E8 from LG; can I use B&O wired loudspeakers like Beolab 18 or 20? You understand what I mean...
w5bno123:The Belkin high speed cable is actually capable of delivering high speed which is necessary for HDR when watching 4KUHD content. When a HDR format is active, the sampling rate for colour and luminance signal is the same (4:4:4), and the bandwidth requirement is 18 GB/s. It can deliver speeds up to 48GB/s. A lot of the cables on the market are only High Speed 10 GB/s, and these cables will not work for 4K UHD when HDR is activated, or the frame rate is 50/60 fps. The Belkin cable has been tested by B&O and it is recommended to use as a reference cable.
JFJBrussels:I am also in trouble with that lack of upgrade. I am indeed a B&O lover, but buying a screen which replacement has been replaced will be hard to accept. i fear this info is true, even if I am afraid it is not. Little questions: assume I buy a C8 or E8 from LG; can I use B&O wired loudspeakers like Beolab 18 or 20? You understand what I mean...
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Hiort:Yes you can. Not as elegant integration as with a Beovision, but you can.
Fidse:LG has made a USB stick you can plug into your OLED screen, and that way make it WISA compatible. You just choose WISA in the “audio out” settings, and the sound plays through your Beolabs
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Fidse:Actually you’ll, more or less, only be missing out on the BR1. LG has made a USB stick you can plug into your OLED screen, and that way make it WISA compatible. You just choose WISA in the “audio out” settings, and the sound plays through your Beolabs
Fidse: Hiort: Yes you can. Not as elegant integration as with a Beovision, but you can. Actually you’ll, more or less, only be missing out on the BR1. LG has made a USB stick you can plug into your OLED screen, and that way make it WISA compatible. You just choose WISA in the “audio out” settings, and the sound plays through your Beolabs
Hiort: Yes you can. Not as elegant integration as with a Beovision, but you can.
Yes you can.
Not as elegant integration as with a Beovision, but you can.
Actually you’ll, more or less, only be missing out on the BR1.
LG has made a USB stick you can plug into your OLED screen, and that way make it WISA compatible. You just choose WISA in the “audio out” settings, and the sound plays through your Beolabs
If this was really so, there would be little reason to buy an Eclipse.
What you will miss out is pretty much descibed here:
http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/09/15/bo-tech-its-not-just-a-soundbar/
This should explain something about the difference between BeoLabs connected to a BV source and a non-B&O:
http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/12/06/bo-tech-beolab-loudspeakers-and-third-party-systems/
As for the dongle - I am not aware that it is on the market. If you know where to buy it, please tell us!
And I am not sure either that LG made it - originally it was used in Struer for test reasons a couple of years ago.
However, if you just want a set of active B&O active speakers along with an OLED screen, it surely will be possible....
.....the right cables or the WiSA Transmitter/the S8 hub solution would do the job.
But you loose the benefits of the B&O-specific sound engine, the integrated center channel and the streaming capacities/NL(Core).....
....and of course the simplicity of controlling all with one remote, the BROne.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
nico vercammen:The question is would you see the difference between the old and the newer panel ...
Puncher: Peter Pan:Copied from the thread of my review of Eclipse on FlatpanelsDK, where I have written the following:There has been some speculation about the possibility of upgrading Eclipse with a newer panel or thatEclipse should be updated from the B & Os page to include a 2018 panel. From a reliable source we have thatEclipse will not be updated neither this year nor next year. The cost of letting LG rebuild a new one model to fit in Eclipse both hardware and software is simply too big for it to pay themselves. In addition, it is estimated that the changes from C7 to C8 are too small to make the user a significant partIt (our own tests confirm the marginal improvement). B & O must have secured a sufficiently large amount of money Lot C7 to continue into next year. So to summarise, this year's and next year's Eclipse will use last year's panels - excellent, that should help boost sales!
To be fair - and if we can be fair - I'm pretty confident B&O had to commit to a minimum number of "panels" from LG as part of this deal.
Lest we forget one important fact: these aren't off-the-shelf panels, either. LG has produced a special casing for them to slot in to the soundbar. This requires manufacturing tools and a minimum order quantity. So when we talk, rather too casually in my eyes, about a 'panel', it's far from some off-the-shelf piece.
Millemissen:If this was really so, there would be little reason to buy an Eclipse.What you will miss out is pretty much descibed here:http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/09/15/bo-tech-its-not-just-a-soundbar/ This should explain something about the difference between BeoLabs connected to a BV source and a non-B&O:http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/12/06/bo-tech-beolab-loudspeakers-and-third-party-systems/ As for the dongle - I am not aware that it is on the market. If you know where to buy it, please tell us!And I am not sure either that LG made it - originally it was used in Struer for test reasons a couple of years ago.However, if you just want a set of active B&O active speakers along with an OLED screen, it surely will be possible.........the right cables or the WiSA Transmitter/the S8 hub solution would do the job.But you loose the benefits of the B&O-specific sound engine, the integrated center channel and the streaming capacities/NL(Core).........and of course the simplicity of controlling all with one remote, the BROne.MMThere is a tv - and there is a BV.
moxxey:Lest we forget one important fact: these aren't off-the-shelf panels, either. LG has produced a special casing for them to slot in to the soundbar. This requires manufacturing tools and a minimum order quantity. So when we talk, rather too casually in my eyes, about a 'panel', it's far from some off-the-shelf piece.
Millemissen:If this was really so, there would be little reason to buy an Eclipse. What you will miss out is pretty much descibed here: http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/09/15/bo-tech-its-not-just-a-soundbar/ This should explain something about the difference between BeoLabs connected to a BV source and a non-B&O: http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/12/06/bo-tech-beolab-loudspeakers-and-third-party-systems/ As for the dongle - I am not aware that it is on the market. If you know where to buy it, please tell us! And I am not sure either that LG made it - originally it was used in Struer for test reasons a couple of years ago. However, if you just want a set of active B&O active speakers along with an OLED screen, it surely will be possible.... .....the right cables or the WiSA Transmitter/the S8 hub solution would do the job. But you loose the benefits of the B&O-specific sound engine, the integrated center channel and the streaming capacities/NL(Core)..... ....and of course the simplicity of controlling all with one remote, the BROne. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
LG Innotek USB Tranmsitter. - Download product brief Her.
http://www.summitwireless.com/summit-usbtx.html
Looking forward to eARC - Read here about eACR
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/hdmi-arc-explained-works-care/
The “e” in eARC stands for Enhanced (Audio Return Channel), and is a new standard feature of HDMI 2.1 that aims to provide the best possible audio resolution from your TV. The new configuration will require eARC support from both your TV and your audio device, which means your devices must support HDMI 2.1 — older HDMI versions will not support eARC.
Good reason not to update LG panels now.
If this is entirely true then it is daftness beyond imagine! I know that the back panel is different, either to hide whatever is behind it or else merely to tidy up the rear of the TV. To throw away the standard rear cover and replace it with a new one is fine if needs must, but to make mechanical changes to the basic TV chassis and therefore make it unique to LG is ludicrous, especially given that same chassis (as far as anyone can tell) is all but "stock" in all performance-related respects.
The stand/Soundbar should've attached to the standard C7 TV via standard Vesa fitting,
Software changes (if indeed there are any) should have been "flashable" from a standard C7 TV.
New rear panel replaces standard and old one discarded.
At least, in the above scenario, the excess orders of standard TV's could have been off-loaded through other retail channels as standard LG TVs.
Wow... Is the LG Innotek USB stick already available in Europe ?. Please let me know as I would like to buy BL 18 speakers for my son’s LG C7 OLED. That set up will be just fine without the B&O Sound Center.
Hmm has anyone tried if the Wisa adapter will work with the Beosound Core? Seems like a simpler solution than a Transmitter 1 if the goal is only to connect two speakers in stereo.
Puncher: moxxey:Lest we forget one important fact: these aren't off-the-shelf panels, either. LG has produced a special casing for them to slot in to the soundbar. This requires manufacturing tools and a minimum order quantity. So when we talk, rather too casually in my eyes, about a 'panel', it's far from some off-the-shelf piece. If this is entirely true then it is daftness beyond imagine! I know that the back panel is different, either to hide whatever is behind it or else merely to tidy up the rear of the TV. To throw away the standard rear cover and replace it with a new one is fine if needs must, but to make mechanical changes to the basic TV chassis and therefore make it unique to LG is ludicrous, especially given that same chassis (as far as anyone can tell) is all but "stock" in all performance-related respects. The stand/Soundbar should've attached to the standard C7 TV via standard Vesa fitting, Software changes (if indeed there are any) should have been "flashable" from a standard C7 TV. New rear panel replaces standard and old one discarded. At least, in the above scenario, the excess orders of standard TV's could have been off-loaded through other retail channels as standard LG TVs.
There is a lot of software changes, the settings menu, how it turn off and its own adaptive light control.
And a standard back panel would not work, as your cannot hide the cables, as your can with the Eclipse, and not being able to do that, is not very B&O. Also the plastic grill behind it, matches B&O speakers.
I know we talk a lot about the similarities, but I would say that a SONY Oled compared to a LG OLED, is much more comparable then a B&O Oled to a LG Oled.
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Puncher: moxxey:Lest we forget one important fact: these aren't off-the-shelf panels, either. LG has produced a special casing for them to slot in to the soundbar. This requires manufacturing tools and a minimum order quantity. So when we talk, rather too casually in my eyes, about a 'panel', it's far from some off-the-shelf piece. If this is entirely true then it is daftness beyond imagine!
If this is entirely true then it is daftness beyond imagine!
Not really? You need a seamless way to drop in a panel in to the soundbar to make it look like a B&O TV. You can't just take a C7 and plonk it in a 'soundbar' and then charge £10K.
Of course, B&O might have been better producing a standalone soundbar, but whatever they did, it still wouldn't have looked like an elegant design - every TV is different. Even the Sony X1 is a custom OLED panel.
The issue with B&O is simply this: they don't sell enough TVs. They might have committed to 2000 LG panels with the custom case and it's just taken far longer to shift the current stock. Whereas the Sony X1 probably sells this monthly, worldwide.
moxxey:Not really? You need a seamless way to drop in a panel in to the soundbar to make it look like a B&O TV. You can't just take a C7 and plonk it in a 'soundbar' and then charge £10K.
I don't believe that could not have been done using standard fixings behind a new rear (plastic) cover!
Emil Jensen: There is a lot of software changes, the settings menu, how it turn off and its own adaptive light control. And a standard back panel would not work, as your cannot hide the cables, as your can with the Eclipse, and not being able to do that, is not very B&O. Also the plastic grill behind it, matches B&O speakers. I know we talk a lot about the similarities, but I would say that a SONY Oled compared to a LG OLED, is much more comparable then a B&O Oled to a LG Oled
I know we talk a lot about the similarities, but I would say that a SONY Oled compared to a LG OLED, is much more comparable then a B&O Oled to a LG Oled
I've said before, I'm suspicious about how many of these menus are HDMI overlays applied in the sound bar, including the light sensor. If this is indeed software within the panel, why on earth would you do it in a way that wasn't flashable from a standard tv? I've been an engineer for over 35years and I can honestly tell you that common sense is priceless and yet so many bright young things are completely devoid!
I've mentioned the replaceable back cover, as a tidy-upper behind the t.v. you decide if the mould tool is worth the outlay.
Emil Jensen:There is a lot of software changes, the settings menu, how it turn off and its own adaptive light control.
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
KMA: Emil Jensen: There is a lot of software changes, the settings menu, how it turn off and its own adaptive light control. Ambient light sensor is a standard feature of the LG C7. There is no B&O picture processing in the Eclipse.
Emil Jensen: There is a lot of software changes, the settings menu, how it turn off and its own adaptive light control.
Ambient light sensor is a standard feature of the LG C7. There is no B&O picture processing in the Eclipse.
The sensor is in the Soundcenter, so it is not the same.
Puncher: Emil Jensen: There is a lot of software changes, the settings menu, how it turn off and its own adaptive light control. And a standard back panel would not work, as your cannot hide the cables, as your can with the Eclipse, and not being able to do that, is not very B&O. Also the plastic grill behind it, matches B&O speakers. I know we talk a lot about the similarities, but I would say that a SONY Oled compared to a LG OLED, is much more comparable then a B&O Oled to a LG Oled I've said before, I'm suspicious about how many of these menus are HDMI overlays applied in the sound bar, including the light sensor. If this is indeed software within the panel, why on earth would you do it in a way that wasn't flashable from a standard tv? I've been an engineer for over 35years and I can honestly tell you that common sense is priceless and yet so many bright young things are completely devoid! I've mentioned the replaceable back cover, as a tidy-upper behind the t.v. you decide if the mould tool is worth the outlay.
I do not know if you have tried the settings menu in the Eclipse, but it is defiantly not a overlay, and there is a bunch of other features that a not in stock LG. If B&O would have made overlay menu, it would work as bad as a MARANTZ receiver and so on. The Eclipse feels like a complete tv, not two component put together.
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Emil Jensen:I do not know if you have tried the settings menu in the Eclipse, but it is defiantly not a overlay, and there is a bunch of other features that a not in stock LG. If B&O would have made overlay menu, it would work as bad as a MARANTZ receiver and so on. The Eclipse feels like a complete tv, not two component put together.
See my point about anything extra being anything other than a software update over a standard c7.
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moxxey: Not really? You need a seamless way to drop in a panel in to the soundbar to make it look like a B&O TV. You can't just take a C7 and plonk it in a 'soundbar' and then charge £10K. Of course, B&O might have been better producing a standalone soundbar, but whatever they did, it still wouldn't have looked like an elegant design - every TV is different. Even the Sony X1 is a custom OLED panel. The issue with B&O is simply this: they don't sell enough TVs. They might have committed to 2000 LG panels with the custom case and it's just taken far longer to shift the current stock. Whereas the Sony X1 probably sells this monthly, worldwide.
I mentioned the problem with the productions numbers in another thread. i did never understand that B&O didn't make different "lines" with the same panels (inclusive an entry line). One panel , the same possibilities and technik in different materials and sound options. Alone with their great stands even a "cheap" B&O would have been profitable. Systems are going to be increased - more, let's say, beolab 17 would have been sold.
It is important, that B&O has av-systems and speakers which are reference class and for most people out of range, but....
In my eyes it was a failure to think, that many people buy an 40" B&O, if they pay the same for a 55" Loewe (i even don't mention the yearly price rductions of the "big players").B&O has lost the middle class and this class was responsible for the number of pieces. Now they are very exclusive with all disadvantages.
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Emil Jensen:The sensor is in the Soundcenter, so it is not the same.
So how are you so sure the ambient light compensation is not applied to the HDMI stream?
Puncher: 8 Emil Jensen:The sensor is in the Soundcenter, so it is not the same. So how are you so sure the ambient light compensation is not applied to the HDMI stream?
Hmm. that is a good question as they are only connected with HDMI, so It have too.
But regardless of that, I will bet that the generel software is stored on the TV.
But okay I am no expert, have you seen a walkthrough of the menu of the Eclipse? if you can see something I can't please in light me, I am interested in knowing the truth.
Or I could test it, if I pull the HDMI out, and the menu is still there?
Emil Jensen: Puncher: 8 Emil Jensen:The sensor is in the Soundcenter, so it is not the same. So how are you so sure the ambient light compensation is not applied to the HDMI stream? Hmm. that is a good question as they are only connected with HDMI, so It have too. But regardless of that, I will bet that the generel software is stored on the TV. But okay I am no expert, have you seen a walkthrough of the menu of the Eclipse? if you can see something I can't please in light me, I am interested in knowing the truth. Or I could test it, if I pull the HDMI out, and the menu is still there?
My point was that (if it isnt already) it could have been done that way.
Peter Pan: Fidse:LG has made a USB stick you can plug into your OLED screen, and that way make it WISA compatible. You just choose WISA in the “audio out” settings, and the sound plays through your Beolabs http://www.summitwireless.com/summit-usbtx.html
Sure it is on a side note in this thread (which is about the Eclipse).
But apart from the stick being used 3-4 years ago with some test LG tv’s in Struer, there has not been much talk about this solution.
They were introduced in 2015:
https://www.missingremote.com/news/2015/01/lg-innotek-joins-wireless-speaker-and-audio-wisa-association
Before anyone creates false hopes for someone, he should tell us where to get these dongles and how to use them.
P.S. At the time of testing in Struer some dongles were sold along with the test LG C6 (if I remember well).
Furthermore a special sw version for the speakers (BL18 etc) was required for the dongle to work.