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Is it still a good idea to buy a BV-11-46? I find the BV-14-40 a bit too small (same price) and the BV-14-55 to large. My dealer offers the 11 -46 for a price of the 14-40.
Thanks for your time.
I love my 11-46, I'm not concerned with UHD (and not that much content about that I care about) so can live with the HD of the 11-46.
I guess it depends on what you want to watch. The added plus is it's solid and doesn't seem broken as the Anroid powered new sets seem to be
Yes, that is a good idea - an excellent tv!
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
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My BV11 still amazes me everyday. Just plain stunning picture quality! Pop in a blu-ray and enjoy.
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My 2 cents ...
I adore my BV11 and can't recommend it highly enough. Stunning picture, esp. with BluRay, or pretty much any other source. I've got an AppleTV & Amazon Fire hooked up too. Only thing I don't use it for is gaming.
Audio from the BV11 is great - so much better than most flatscreen out of the box - no need for a soundbar!
I don't have a 5.1 setup, but i've really come to appreciate the B&O Master concept ... whereby the BV11 is my Audio master, and shares responsibilities & speakers with my BS Moment.
My room layout is challenging, and forces one end of a long thin room to be TV-focused, and one end Audio focused. Using the Audio master capabilities, I have a single setup that uses the BV11 to share speakers groups, so I can share a Beolab 17 subwoofer between the TV and Audio setups. Via one macro on the remote, when i'm watching TV I use the built in speakers of the BV11 with a little Bass help from the 17. Switch to audio and I can stream all my music and use the Moment with it's Beolab 18's and the 17 sub. And of course, I can move it into multiroom mode and have the whole room rocking to either TV sources to audio sources!
I'm quite an early adopter, and would ordinarily have jumped for a 4K set (as many friends have) - but you know what, most of the time they end up just showing you demo's as there's still so little source material. Or the streaming services are still unreliable (in the UK). I'm hugely enjoying everything at HD quality on this set, and re-dioscvering many favourites all over again!
I'd love to move to 4K at some point, and love the aesthetics of the BV14 ( the oak lamellas would match my 18's) but B&O have dropped the 46" size - which is perfect for my room. a 40" would be too small (now) and the 55" won't fit. Holding out for a change here, although the Horizon disappointed and the upcoming Eclipse sounds like it'll only be in big sizes.
Anyway, as I said at the beginning ... I can't recommended the BV11 46 highly enough ... and i'm sure you'll get many years of joy out one too.
Tom
Beovision 11-55, BeoPlay V1 40, Beosound 9000, Beolab 8000's and 3 Beocom 5's...
I would recommend an 11-46 over a 14-40 every time....
I have a BV11-40 and love it (but miss the orange fret from the BV10). I do really like the BV14 brass and wooden fret, but difference in price is incredible for effectively the same design plus UHD.
Like you rightly said, do you really need UHD? With Sky, here in the UK, they expect another £12/month and that's on *top* of the existing £10/month they charge for having HD. An extra £264/year just watch the same TV programme in UHD.
I think if the Eclipse is well priced and I can shift the BV12-65, I might consider it, but I'm not sure I'd buy a regular UHD TV instead of a regular HD. So I'd go for the 11-55 if it's a very decent price.
moxxey:I have a BV11-40 and love it (but miss the orange fret from the BV10). I do really like the BV14 brass and wooden fret, but difference in price is incredible for effectively the same design plus UHD. Like you rightly said, do you really need UHD? With Sky, here in the UK, they expect another £12/month and that's on *top* of the existing £10/month they charge for having HD. An extra £264/year just watch the same TV programme in UHD. I think if the Eclipse is well priced and I can shift the BV12-65, I might consider it, but I'm not sure I'd buy a regular UHD TV instead of a regular HD. So I'd go for the 11-55 if it's a very decent price.
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Thank you all for your thoughts. I have gone ahead and ordered one. Now i need to think about some of those wireless speakers. Any thoughts? I just care about stereo, no need for dolby 18.1 bla bla bla 18.1
Zwets: Thank you all for your thoughts. I have gone ahead and ordered one. Now i need to think about some of those wireless speakers. Any thoughts? I just care about stereo, no need for dolby 18.1 bla bla bla 18.1
I thought the wireless speakers performed poorly and sold them. I went back to cable and use BL3s and a BL11 behind the TV (all I need for a great audio experience).
moxxey:I thought the wireless speakers performed poorly and sold them. I went back to cable and use BL3s and a BL11 behind the TV (all I need for a great audio experience).
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It all depends on budget and whether you listen to music much. If you go with the BL17 or BL18, definitely add the BL19 (it makes a big difference). If you don/t really care for surround sound you can even just add the BL19 and there will be a huge improvement. Of course if budget is not an issue BV11 aould be amazing with the BL50 :)
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Chris Townsend:moxxey:I thought the wireless speakers performed poorly and sold them. I went back to cable and use BL3s and a BL11 behind the TV (all I need for a great audio experience).Chris:I've just ditched my H8s on EBay due to their Bluetooth connection. I could have it in my top pocket and I'd still get 70% of the song. Total crapBeing wired is the only connection from now on.
BeoNut since '75
Chris Townsend:Nuts isn't it. On the other hand I can stream from my phone in my flight bag, half way across my cockpit with all the interference, and my aviation headset has never missed a Bluetooth beat. Not that I've ever used that function mind Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Avant RF 28, Beolab 5, Beolit 15, Beoplay A1/A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H3 ANC/H8/H6/H2, Form 2, Beoplay A3, Beovision 5-42 connected to a DVD1
moxxey:I think if the Eclipse is well priced and I can shift the BV12-65, I might consider it,
Moxxey, Im curious how you compare the BV12 to the BV 11, the 12 was a stunning tv.
I still think the BV7 55 and BV 12 are a hard act to follow for tv quality or have I had my eye off the ball to long. ?
I have a low budget for the speakers. Would i be able to play to my existing A8 (with airplay) from my beovision 11?
Zwets:I have a low budget for the speakers. Would i be able to play to my existing A8 (with airplay) from my beovision 11?
valve1: Moxxey, Im curious how you compare the BV12 to the BV 11, the 12 was a stunning tv.
Completely different TVs. The BV11 is a very sharp, quite a bright picture. Probably better for sport and fast-moving objects. The BV12 is much smoother, more like an old CRT performance, with very deep colours. Grass, as an example, on the BV12 looks very different than the BV11, for a couple of reasons - it's more green (pro), but it struggles a bit with fast panning (con) and the grass blurs a bit when watching football.
Movies are a bit better on the BV12 as the plasma renders the colours more appropriately.
But, the sound on the BV11 is better. You can get by with a BV11+BL11 hidden behind the TV, in my opinion. With the BV12, you absolutely need flanking speakers, meaning it requires a tonne of space!
If I'm honest, I think I prefer the BV14-55 on the floor. More classy than the BV11 or BV12. I love the brass BV14 and wooden fret.
Thanks for your thoughts Moxxey.
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Hiort: Zwets: I have a low budget for the speakers. Would i be able to play to my existing A8 (with airplay) from my beovision 11? I think that you will not gain much from that. Sound from BV11 is very good.
Zwets: I have a low budget for the speakers. Would i be able to play to my existing A8 (with airplay) from my beovision 11?
I think that you will not gain much from that.
Sound from BV11 is very good.
If you - with your question - are aiming at 'multiroom', a low budget option would be to have a ChromeCast Audio dongle on either one.
You could then make a group of both and stream/cast the same content to them.
Just a tip!
Sandyb:I have a 12 and an Avant (not the new one with the new panels). As for the Avant, I think it has pretty much the same panel type as the 11, and I'm much happier with my Avant than I was with the 14 (and ergo the horizon). When I swapped my 14 for the Avant in June the 14 was still beset by horrible motion blurring - you didn't need to be especially sensitive to see it. The panels used in the Avant whilst edge lit I think are better than the back lit but globally dimmed new panels, where dark scenes can be unwatchable. They might improve things on the new panels, but I didn't see much evidence of it during the software updates I had on my 14 during the 8 months I had it.
KMA
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Thats a great idea! I am a big fan of the chronecasts. I own several of the hdmi versions. I guess i can connect one of the hdmi ones and stream to a audio version to the a8? Does this work with airplay as well? My atv3 will be connected to the bv11 and the a8 supprts it.
@Zwets
No, unfortunately for time being you can not AirPlay to 2 devices at the same time...
....unless you are using a Mac, have a software like Airfoil running (plus the Satelite app) or use the Whaale app or similar solutions.
By the way - you can't stream to two bluetooth devices at the same time either!
Thus my advice to use casting.
I am pretty sure however, that you can not group the video version with the audio version.
But an extra single CCA for the BV should be within your financial reach, I hope ;-)
Millemissen:@Zwets No, unfortunately for time being you can not AirPlay to 2 devices at the same time... ....unless you are using a Mac, have a software like Airfoil running (plus the Satelite app) or use the Whaale app or similar solutions. By the way - you can't stream to two bluetooth devices at the same time either! Thus my advice to use casting. I am pretty sure however, that you can not group the video version with the audio version. But an extra single CCA for the BV should be within your financial reach, I hope ;-) MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Sandyb: I don't really have any issues with the 12. As Moxxey says the colours on the 12 are richer and in a good way, and I don't get any panning issues with the 12 (on the very odd occasion with tennis, but very minor).
I don't really have any issues with the 12. As Moxxey says the colours on the 12 are richer and in a good way, and I don't get any panning issues with the 12 (on the very odd occasion with tennis, but very minor).
There are no "panning issues" - it's simply how grass etc is rendered when the camera moves across, say, a football pitch - the grass is noticeably more blurred than on the BV11. That's a plasma v LCD issue. Both have pros and cons.
moxxey:There are no "panning issues" - it's simply how grass etc is rendered when the camera moves across, say, a football pitch - the grass is noticeably more blurred than on the BV11. That's a plasma v LCD issue. Both have pros and cons.
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KMA:(2nd attempt from the BeoWorld app... unless the 1st attempt went into moderation) The non-Android Avant was based on a 1.5D Local Dimming edge-lit Samsung panel. BV11 uses a similar (albeit "only" Full-HD panel). I never understood why B&O switched suppliers and went for the obviously inferior TP Vision budget panels for Avant NG, BV14 and Horizon. The bad business decision has been underlined by the Android mess that came with the TP Vision panel deal. No amount of software updates can fix a global dimmimg backlight to magically make it a local dimming solution. As for motion handling, perhaps B&O can tweak it better – but it still doesn't make sense why they ditched the picture quality they had achieved with BV11 / Avant Mk I. Perhaps it was about money, and B&O got a better deal & savings with TP Vision (Philips, in essence). However, at BeoVision price-points, they should go for the opposite: the best LCD panels from the best suppliers, which B&O used to do. People should get the most advanced full array local dimming (FALD) panels at B&O's prices, and not a budget component. Hopefully OLED will fix this. The Eclipse cannot happen soon enough, and it may bring me back to BeoVisions. The next best thing would be a Beosystem 5 box to replace the Beosystem 4, so that I could choose the panel. Nothing in B&O's current 4K line-up makes me want to part with my money. As it is now, my advice for buyers would be to go for BV11, if Full HD is enough, or try to find a pre-android Avant (dealers' demo stock or pre-loved), if 4K is required. KMA B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
How about a Wireless 1. Will that work as a reciever? I still have a pair of beolab 4500's that I could use.
Multiroom golf/tennis ;-)
Sandyb: In the last couple of months I've had the golf and tennis on both screens at the same time, and while I find the 12-65 to be richer and more impressive, the detailing on the Avant is really good, so I'm a happy camper.
In the last couple of months I've had the golf and tennis on both screens at the same time, and while I find the 12-65 to be richer and more impressive, the detailing on the Avant is really good, so I'm a happy camper.
Definitely. Sometimes I watch football on the BV11 and it's a lot sharper. When I switch back to the BV12, it sometimes feels a bit too "smooth" for sport, in comparison.
Movies are better on the BV12 though. But, either way, it's good for an "old" TV.