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Esax: Bang& Olufsen are going to use there own video engine. They will not settle for less.
Bang& Olufsen are going to use there own video engine. They will not settle for less.
Well.. in this case they're going to use the LG video engine...
Karel.
don't think they used their own for the BV14......so not sure how you can be so confident.....
My information is that it is a plain LG-tv sitting up there.
I guess the connection to the 'B&O part is HDMI with return channel - and that the B&O specitic connections are in the speaker/soundsystem part.
There is no video department in Struer anymore.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:There is no video department in Struer anymore.
BeoNut since '75
Maybe a couple of guys, yet (for the interaction of A and V in the tv's) - but no dedicated video department.
that shouldn't be new news.....
Millemissen: My information is that it is a plain LG-tv sitting up there. I guess the connection to the 'B&O part is HDMI with return channel - and that the B&O specitic connections are in the speaker/soundsystem part. There is no video department in Struer anymore. MM
Hence there is no "magic curtain"...
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I hope this new organization will allow to change the screen and keep the speakers and connection system.
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On the other hand there was talk about the Light Sensor being still a part - which I guess, can be called a B&O feature.
I am very curious, how that is going to work - on an OLED screen?
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Seems like B&O has given up on developing / tweaking anything on the video side. (Light sensors / Automatic screen calibration (BV9), Video processors). It is a sad story as the panels are just one part of the story and the processing / features are equally important part.
Now on the designing side, They just slapped a speaker under the LG OLED screen and skimped on doing any magic like Avant. I personally did not like speakers with overhangs outside the TV screen dimensions (like in BV7) . I was really hoping that motorized speaker panel from Avant will be retained for the OLED TV but my dealer has confirmed that it is not so. Also confirmed was the Avant 55 & 65 were dead and 85 was still on but with no changes (No HDR)
For me, the real issue is the price premium that is expected for the 65 inch TV (my preferred size). LG 65 OLEDs are selling for $ 2700 in the US and the expected price of B&O OLED 65 seems to be more like 16,000-17000. That is almost 6-7 times. If B&O had brought out a 77 inch OLED at say 25000, that would be only a 2-2.5 times the premium on the LG OLEDs.Really finding no good place from decision making point of view on the new B&O OLEDS
BTW, I am total B&O fan and currently own BV9 with Beolab 5 as the main setup. May perhaps wait for the Eclipse 77 inch to see where the value proposition lands or just purchase the LG 65 for the time being and connect the Beolab 5 to them and wait out the story. Or forget the HDR and snatch a deal on Avant 85 (if available)..... but I do know that OLED is the technology to go for.....
Any advice ?
Unfortunately, that is the case. Please see my post on this topic also.
Chris Townsend:Can we surmise then, that the Eclipse is a bulk standard LG OLED screen sat on top of a B&O sound bar?
Yes - and then again no!
Yes, because the tv part is LG made.
And no, because the audioengine/speaker/soundsystem part must interact with the LG-tv also in terms of userinterface/menus.
There must be access to the B&O specific audio settings (plus stand settings etc) somehow...
...and the remote is a BeoRemote.
According to what, those who have seen it, it definitely is not not just a LG-tv with a soundbar underneath.
I guess we will all be quite surprised, after all.
svinaik:Seems like B&O has given up on developing / tweaking anything on the video side. (Light sensors / Automatic screen calibration (BV9), Video processors). It is a sad story as the panels are just one part of the story and the processing / features are equally important part.
please members of the US, don't think the price of your tv is the same than in europa. In usa you the market has ever been 30/40 % cheaper for the usual name.
bang olufsen is an alien on your market.
I saw recently a 65 oled in a darty store in france and it was above 5000 euros.
AngloApulian: I really don’t think that B&O are looking to exit the TV business and simply licence their audio technology to LG or any other manufacturer as a result of this.
I really don’t think that B&O are looking to exit the TV business and simply licence their audio technology to LG or any other manufacturer as a result of this.
Why should they licence their audio technology to LG or any other......?
None the less, it is a fact, that these BV's are made by/at LG using the parts that B&O provided and the LG tv.
B&O does not buy the panels from LG Display in order to make the tv themselves.
Millemissen:Why should they licence their audio technology to LG or any other......? None the less, it is a fact, that these BV's are made by/at LG using the parts that B&O provided and the LG tv. B&O does not buy the panels from LG Display in order to make the tv themselves. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Perhaps the next chapter is a modest license fee paid by LG (or others) to integrate B&O wisa/other protocols into their ZtV operation. Then B&O exits direct branded TVs all together.
Seems like with the new products, now it is other way around. Much more expensive launch prices in the US versus Europe. I was very anxiously waiting for the B&O OLED TV but after seeing the launch price of 65 inch at > $ 16,000, I am staying away for the time being.
AngloApulian: Millemissen: Why should they licence their audio technology to LG or any other......? None the less, it is a fact, that these BV's are made by/at LG using the parts that B&O provided and the LG tv. B&O does not buy the panels from LG Display in order to make the tv themselves. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV. With regards to licensing their audio technology, I was referring to what was stated by Barry Santini in a previous post: Perhaps the next chapter is a modest license fee paid by LG (or others) to integrate B&O wisa/other protocols into their ZtV operation. Then B&O exits direct branded TVs all together.
Millemissen: Why should they licence their audio technology to LG or any other......? None the less, it is a fact, that these BV's are made by/at LG using the parts that B&O provided and the LG tv. B&O does not buy the panels from LG Display in order to make the tv themselves. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
There is a tv - and there is a BV.
With regards to licensing their audio technology, I was referring to what was stated by Barry Santini in a previous post:
Good morning,
Simply licensing the technology is not possible because additional hardware is required such as a chipset for surround decoding, sockets for speakers connection,WISA transmitters, etc.
Regards,
Jean
svinaik: Seems like with the new products, now it is other way around. Much more expensive launch prices in the US versus Europe. I was very anxiously waiting for the B&O OLED TV but after seeing the launch price of 65 inch at > $ 16,000, I am staying away for the time being.
Don't forget that a B&O TV is more than just a screen: to do a proper price comparison, you need to add the cost of a separate surround processor and center speaker (and the hidden cost of the inconvenience of finding components that match well together). Your BV9 has all of this integrated, the stock LG TV has nothing of that.
Millemissen: On the other hand there was talk about the Light Sensor being still a part - which I guess, can be called a B&O feature. I am very curious, how that is going to work - on an OLED screen? MM
I'm not sure how much of that was marketing BS! My last (7 yrs ago) Panasonic plasma had a light sensor that modified brightness according to ambient light etc. as had many competitors - it's not a big deal.
It will be interesting this time around to see what B&O do with their colour calibration - latest Panasonic has their (LG) OLED THX4K certified for colour accuracy and is mentioned as a reference monitor for colour mixing in studios etc. It seems that although every one is using LG panels there are still things to be tweaked if you know what you're doing!
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AngloApulian:The OLED panel may be supplied by LGDisplay, but the TV integrated with other B&O technologies will still be designed by B&O including materials specified in the manufacture of the TV. Ultimately it will still be a B&O product not an LG product.
Actually, I think you've got this wrong, that's the entire point of this thread. This LG-produced OLED is a departure for B&O. For previous TVs, they've taken the panel and wraped it around their own visual/audio system (powered by the Beosystem 4) and materials.
With this OLED TV from LG, they've partnered with LG where LG is producing the TV component, from my understanding. So it's very much an LG panel, LG picture-processing (no Beosystem etc), with a connector to a B&O-developed speaker. So B&O is primarily focussed on the speaker and audio.
So this is far less of a "B&O product" than you're trying to make out (or willing to believe).
moxxey:Actually, I think you've got this wrong, that's the entire point of this thread. This LG-produced OLED is a departure for B&O. For previous TVs, they've taken the panel and wraped it around their own visual/audio system (powered by the Beosystem 4) and materials. With this OLED TV from LG, they've partnered with LG where LG is producing the TV component, from my understanding. So it's very much an LG panel, LG picture-processing (no Beosystem etc), with a connector to a B&O-developed speaker. So B&O is primarily focussed on the speaker and audio.So this is far less of a "B&O product" than you're trying to make out (or willing to believe).
AngloApulian: With that being the case, one has to ask why B&O decided to go with LG’s image processing and not their own BeoSystem.
With that being the case, one has to ask why B&O decided to go with LG’s image processing and not their own BeoSystem.
As mentioned above (or was it in the Eclipse thread), B&O has ditched their video processing department, so the BeoSystem isn't being updated and the old v4 won't be suitable for powering an OLED.
So, rather than spent lots of money and time creating a new BeoSystem for the OLED, they are using LG's technology. And, yes, it's to save money. Can't be easy trying to produce a proprietory system to power a third-party panel, especially when it's not their speciality (but audio is).
Effectively, this means the panel part is very much an LG TV. So we really are paying for a 'wrapper', sound system (speaker), BeoRemote and stand. You'll have to figure if those items are worth the extra amount above the cost a regular LG OLED.
And it would be interesting to find out when its released what the exact details are, in particular does the TV have WISA and can connect to your existing speakers for Surround Sound for use with out a surround sound / AV receiver
im liking this thread
Moxxey is right a while back flatpanelshd said that the new oled from bang-olufsen won't have any image processing from b&0 all lg which i think is a shame. i'm not a fan of lgs processing motion to me is pretty bad loewes picture processing is amazing especially on the bild 7.
When i had the compose slim frame it displayed a picture quality unlike anything i've seen before with the 200hz processing bv11 picture was similar but the loewe in my opinion had the edge.
I can only imagine an oled tv with b&0 picture processing, deep dark blacks visionclear picture technology wow!!! shame the eclipse won't have that as all the video processing will done by lg.
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