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Beomaster 901: Hum on Headphones

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Krolroger Posted: Wed, Dec 13 2017 11:20 AM

Hi all,

When using headphones on my Beomaster 901, I am hearing low level 50Hz hum on all sources even with the volume at zero.  It does not increase as I turn up the volume.

But there is no audible hum on the speakers.

I'm just wondering if this could be either because the position of the headphone socket at the back close to the transformer causes induction into the cable, or whether the socket itself could be oxidised/faulty in some way.

Grateful for advice, as always.

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Dillen replied on Wed, Dec 13 2017 2:06 PM

What is the impedance of your headphones?

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Krolroger replied on Wed, Dec 13 2017 11:40 PM

Hi Martin,

32 ohms.

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Krolroger replied on Wed, Dec 13 2017 11:40 PM

Hi Martin,

32 ohms.

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Dillen replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 7:08 AM

Did you read the printing next to the headphones socket? Whistle

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Krolroger replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 10:55 AM

Er, no I didn't, as it's on the back !!

Can I use 32 ohm h/phones on, say BM 3000-2?

Thanks,

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Dillen replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 11:58 AM

Beomaster 3000-2 has a series resistor for the headphones output, so yes.
Does the hum go away if you unplug the speakers while using the headphones?

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Krolroger replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 12:49 PM

I unplugged the speakers from the BM901, plugged in the h/phones, pressed FM and was rewarded with a loud buzz and smoke so I've obviously blown one, if not both channels.

Does the 901 see 32 ohm headphones as a short?

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Dillen replied on Thu, Dec 14 2017 3:06 PM

To me it sounds like your headphones are defective.

32 Ohms is not seen as a short in itself, but in parallel with speakers the resulting impedance may be seen as close to a short. 

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Krolroger replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 12:27 AM

Thanks, Martin,

Will have to do some poking around to try to figure out what the damage is.

Speakers were in any case disconnected, and as far as I can tell, the h/phones are ok, though I used a 6.35mm jack adaptor.

This may have been an unconnected fault just waiting to happen though I suspect my 32 ohms may have something to do with it.

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Dillen replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 6:31 AM

I have seen some (cheap) adapters that actually short the socket connections momentarily as you plug in/out.
- Or for a longer time if the adapter hasn't been fully inserted/pulled out.
These WILL cause problems in amplifiers without series resistors.

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Had a look inside and it's clear the emitter resistors on the left channel are toast, R141 having lifted one leg.  Frustrating as it was working so well after my earlier repair.

Not sure about the functionality of the right channel though it looks ok.

As Martin says, insertion of the jack causes a momentary short - on the right channel in this case.  (So I'm not sure why the left went up in smoke).

The adapter looks to be deficient in terms of its isolating rings.

 

 

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Dillen replied on Fri, Dec 15 2017 2:37 PM

If it shorts on the way in and out, it's no good.

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Krolroger replied on Sat, Mar 10 2018 2:16 PM

Just a quick postscript to this sorry episode.

I replaced pretty much everything in the l.h. output stage and idle circuit.  If you use Fairchild TIP120 and 125 output transistors as I did, be prepared to dremel out the mounting hole as it's too small; thin little mounting plate as well, but they seem to work.

BC547B made a suitable replacement for BC171B.

Unit now sounds as good as it did before; a testament to the repairability of the BM901 even for the inexperienced.

(Just a thought, a sticky with transistor equivalents would be a useful resource).

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