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beotex: Desrux: WebOS and Android has no B&O feel to them. Also curtains are missing! Small clarification - you do have the curtains on Android. At least my Avant NG has them. And for the record, I’ve been very happy with the TV, stability, and multi-room capability.
Desrux: WebOS and Android has no B&O feel to them. Also curtains are missing!
WebOS and Android has no B&O feel to them. Also curtains are missing!
Small clarification - you do have the curtains on Android. At least my Avant NG has them.
And for the record, I’ve been very happy with the TV, stability, and multi-room capability.
Very happy with the Tv ? no bugs, crashes, outdated Android Tv ?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. This is helpful.
Eclipse is not an option for me as it indeed looks too much like a LG televison pieced together with a soundbar. I know the arguments that it is not, but visually it does not do the trick for me.
The BV14 visually is best for me as it has the wooden grill making it superior in design to the BV11 or BV7. I am thinking of 55", so 4k may make a difference.
The absence of the "curtain" is a big deal though. Some people may laugh now, but it is a part of what makes B&O unique. Really a pity that B&O got rid of it.
Would I even notice that this is Android based if I only use the ATV? I thought the ATV GUI may be all I see in this case and I would never ever need to see that there is a Android somewhere in it?
How does googlecast and NL work with the BV14? Are they part of Android? What and how is albumart displayed when casting via googlecast or NL to the BV14? Can I cast via googlecast or NL when the BV is turned off (i.e., some sense-in that allows to turn on BLs when casting, while keeping the screen off)?
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
Aussie Michael:The wood lamellas are able to fit a BV11 from mk2 onward
Would not give me 4k (less critical) and also no integrated googlecast. If I were to use a googlecast dongle, it would not auto-switch and I would need to turn on the TV manually if I were to cast audio to it.
You are right - curtains are only missing on WebOS which is the OS moving forward as I can gather.
Glad to hear it is working for you. How about issues with responsiveness when navigatig the menues on the Android platform? When I have tried the platform on Avant NG or BV14 it was noticeable. Perhaps it has been fixed since then.
Desrux: You are right - curtains are only missing on WebOS which is the OS moving forward as I can gather. Glad to hear it is working for you. How about issues with responsiveness when navigatig the menues on the Android platform? When I have tried the platform on Avant NG or BV14 it was noticeable. Perhaps it has been fixed since then.
I never had any complained about the responsiveness on my BV14 but I did notice however increased responsiveness in the latest firmware update a few weeks ago which was a pleasant surprise.
Karel.
Sandyb: And 4k without HDR is marginal at best. I watched some 4K netflix on the 14, and the big issue was still the poor dimming on the 14, much more so than extra resolution.
And 4k without HDR is marginal at best. I watched some 4K netflix on the 14, and the big issue was still the poor dimming on the 14, much more so than extra resolution.
Yes, it's easy to forget the BV14 has an old 4K panel missing many key features such as HDR.
One thing I don't like about my BV11 is the speed from pressing the remote to showing a picture. Takes far too long. Almost twice the length as the BV12.
Try owning an Avant! You press "TV" at kick off, and you're almost guaranteed to catch the second half
9 LEE: Try owning an Avant! You press "TV" at kick off, and you're almost guaranteed to catch the second half
wow. Sometimes I think I musn't have pressed the remote, the BV11 takes so long to show a picture. BV12-65 is much faster!
You can also speed up the start up on the BV11, I have forgotten what the option is called. I leave it on the economy start as I don't mind how long it takes really...
Same thing for the BV14... That's one of the things I still can't get my head around how B&O could release a tv that takes 2 centuries to start-up..
The fastest TV imho in startup and changing channels imho is still the MX7000... even the original Avant and BV3 were slower in changing channels
Sandyb: Neither a patch on my 12-65 though. Not even close
Neither a patch on my 12-65 though. Not even close
I still love my BV12-65. Arguably my best B&O purchase. It came from a famous footballer manager's....bathroom. Hardly had any use, too.
Love the natural look of the BV12-65. I do wonder why more people on here don't seriously consider one? With a BeoSystem 4 it's a killer and I see them appear ocassionally at dealers - saw one this morning. Everyone who views the picture on my BV12-65 is positive. There's something about it which makes people comment.
4K might be sharper and more detailed, granted, but you can't beat the natural smoother look you received from a great plasma + BeoSystem 4 + top quality source.
IA64:Very happy with the Tv ? no bugs, crashes, outdated Android Tv ?
moxxey:I still love my BV12-65. Arguably my best B&O purchase. It came from a famous footballer manager's....bathroom. Hardly had any use, too. Love the natural look of the BV12-65. I do wonder why more people on here don't seriously consider one? With a BeoSystem 4 it's a killer and I see them appear ocassionally at dealers - saw one this morning. Everyone who views the picture on my BV12-65 is positive. There's something about it which makes people comment. 4K might be sharper and more detailed, granted, but you can't beat the natural smoother look you received from a great plasma + BeoSystem 4 + top quality source.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Chris Townsend: I’d get one but they’re still really expensive, probably for the reasons you mention.
I’d get one but they’re still really expensive, probably for the reasons you mention.
I was lucky - I picked up mine for £2000 + a trade-in (MK1 old Avant 55"). Much better than the Avant 55" in so many ways.
And for anyone who says they 'enjoy' watching the daft mechanised speaker drop down from the Avant? wow. Not only did I think that mostly pointless, noisy and boring after a while, there were so many other issues, this just made me more frustrated.
moxxey: And for anyone who says they 'enjoy' watching the daft mechanised speaker drop down from the Avant? wow. Not only did I think that mostly pointless, noisy and boring after a while, there were so many other issues, this just made me more frustrated.
beotex: In fact, of all the people that have come to our home, not one has said “what a daft, pointless, noisy and boring TV speaker you have!” Surprisingly, it’s been quite the opposite. Wow, indeed.
In fact, of all the people that have come to our home, not one has said “what a daft, pointless, noisy and boring TV speaker you have!” Surprisingly, it’s been quite the opposite. Wow, indeed.
My point was, the TV was so flawed in so many other areas that having this slow speaker appear just ended up grating after a while - more effort had gone in to the speaker than getting the TV right. As an example, the panning was awful. Kind of a key component for watching a TV, for me. It made watching football, difficult.
If that kind of thing floats your boat, fair enough. You've bought the right TV. If people came around my house and commented on the Avant speaker mechanism (I can't remember anyone doing that when I owned it...) I'd think they were mad. But, there again, people do have a bad habit of telling you what you want to hear.
beotex: moxxey: And for anyone who says they 'enjoy' watching the daft mechanised speaker drop down from the Avant? wow. Not only did I think that mostly pointless, noisy and boring after a while, there were so many other issues, this just made me more frustrated. Sorry you have such passion against the type of interesting movement / interaction so many people find lacking from today’s products. Good thing you ditched it. In fact, of all the people that have come to our home, not one has said “what a daft, pointless, noisy and boring TV speaker you have!” Surprisingly, it’s been quite the opposite. Wow, indeed.
Sorry you have such passion against the type of interesting movement / interaction so many people find lacking from today’s products. Good thing you ditched it.
It has been my experience that the majority of people feel the same was as you and your guests do. As a person who has had virtually every B&O TV since 2003 and currently has every single gen of NL TV working in my home, I can tell you my Avant still gets the most attention.
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
moxxey: If that kind of thing floats your boat, fair enough. You've bought the right TV. If people came around my house and commented on the Avant speaker mechanism (I can't remember anyone doing that when I owned it...) I'd think they were mad. But, there again, people do have a bad habit of telling you what you w ant to hear.
beotex:You’d be happy to hear this. We invited some family friends over for dinner this weekend and a kind pensioner said the BL18’s looked like big wooden air filters and he really didn’t understand the center speaker dropping down from the TV. Think he was telling me what I want to hear? Hope everyone had a nice weekend :)
StUrrock: Mmm, what about a stand-alone sound bar with moving magic?
Mmm, what about a stand-alone sound bar with moving magic?
Which kind of ‘moving magic’ do you imagine for that sound bar?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: StUrrock: Mmm, what about a stand-alone sound bar with moving magic? Which kind of ‘moving magic’ do you imagine for that sound bar?
I was wondering the same. It would also get on my nerves after a while. I'm guessing he wants a small bar to open up in to a larger version, on system swich-on.
moxxey:I was wondering the same. It would also get on my nerves after a while. I'm guessing he wants a small bar to open up in to a larger version, on system swich-on.
StUrrock: I’m not a designer just want some B&O magic, not much around it seems just now
I’m not a designer just want some B&O magic, not much around it seems just now
True, but personally speaking, I never really was won over by the moving doors or speakers on B&O equipment. Just seemed gimmicky to me. Ok, it was decent on the old BeoCenter 2300, but that was years ago. I just want my TV to function, function well and not focus on daft things like dropping down speakers.
When I owned my MK1 Avant 55", I had so many issues, that just got on my nerves. Didn't feel like 'magic', felt like overkill. I just wanted a quality working TV.
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Millemissen:StUrrock:Mmm, what about a stand-alone sound bar with moving magic?Which kind of ‘moving magic’ do you imagine for that sound bar?MM
Personally, I’m not at all impressed with the picture quality of BeoVision 12, way to soft for my liking...
SHEFFIELD: Personally, I’m not at all impressed with the picture quality of BeoVision 12, way to soft for my liking...
That's the first person I've known who said they aren't impressed with a BV12-65. Incredible. One would be slightly paranoid you're only interested in shifting the latest sets?
Seriously, I have a BV11-46 and the picture is very different. It's maybe slightly better for sport. It's far sharper and brighter. The BV12-65 is much better for movies and a picture which requires a warmer and smoother panel. However, not being impressed is something I've never heard before - my Avant 55" MKI was a shocker in comparison.
eh?
Am i reading that correctly?
I have an Avant 55 Mk1 and a 12-65 - the 12-65 is so much more the capable TV it's not even really that close.
moxxey: SHEFFIELD: Personally, I’m not at all impressed with the picture quality of BeoVision 12, way to soft for my liking... That's the first person I've known who said they aren't impressed with a BV12-65. Incredible. One would be slightly paranoid you're only interested in shifting the latest sets? Seriously, I have a BV11-46 and the picture is very different. It's maybe slightly better for sport. It's far sharper and brighter. The BV12-65 is much better for movies and a picture which requires a warmer and smoother panel. However, not being impressed is something I've never heard before - my Avant 55" MKI was a shocker in comparison.
Not the case at all regarding shifting the latest product, always been slightly embarrassed selling BV12 - BV11 is far better in my opinion. Everyone views images differently. The Eclipse is the best picture I have ever seen...
SHEFFIELD: moxxey: SHEFFIELD: Personally, I’m not at all impressed with the picture quality of BeoVision 12, way to soft for my liking... That's the first person I've known who said they aren't impressed with a BV12-65. Incredible. One would be slightly paranoid you're only interested in shifting the latest sets? Seriously, I have a BV11-46 and the picture is very different. It's maybe slightly better for sport. It's far sharper and brighter. The BV12-65 is much better for movies and a picture which requires a warmer and smoother panel. However, not being impressed is something I've never heard before - my Avant 55" MKI was a shocker in comparison. Not the case at all regarding shifting the latest product, always been slightly embarrassed selling BV12 - BV11 is far better in my opinion. Everyone views images differently. The Eclipse is the best picture I have ever seen...
To each his own but, not an apples and apples comparison, the BV12-65 featured an automatic screen adjustment scheme if I recall correctly (or was that the BS4?). But the main thing is the center speaker was a huge differentiator. Simple, gorgeous, and extremely powerful for its size. A buddy has that with BL12, BL 19, and rear somethings. Incredible and made me recognize my late BV11-55 as the #2 in the lineup. His picture was so strong it compensated for a wall of windows and pool reflection, with a little help from transparent shades.