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Totally agree with Markledee! Love the way on the Tue video, he says that he reckons the BV11 is B&O's BEST TV. So that's the BV12 & BV7 in the skip then ;)
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BeoGreg:My dealer doesn't offer any trade-in for my Bv10 on motorised stand even for 2.500 € (40" warranty untill may 2014). A shame, he can keep the Bv11. Gregory
A shame, he can keep the Bv11.
Gregory
I have a feeling this will be the case with many dealers and BV10 trade-ins: dealers have offered hefty discounts and/or the BeoLab 11 bundle to get rid of their BV10 models, so why buy back the BV10s now as used? Dealers' demo / display units were being sold "at cost" or at a loss.
I have a BeoVision 10-46 which will be 2 years old in January, and I am considering an upgrade to BeoVision 11. I do have some reservations about the upgrade, though:
- As I have both AppleTV and Mac Mini connected to the BeoVision 10, the new SmartTV features are not a selling point for me. - As I have BeoLab 11 connected to the television, the improved audio of BV11 is not exactly a selling point for me: I like the sound of BV10 + BL11 and don't find it lacking in any way.- As I have the BV10 on the floor stand, and would have the BV11 in the same place, the slimness of BV11 is not a selling point for me.- I don't need a HDD to record programmes.- I don't need more connections.- Even though 3D is nice for occasional viewing, I rather watch movies in 2D.
So, the only selling points for me are:
- Picture Quality. There would need to be a notable improvement in PQ with BeoVision 11, given that the upgrade will cost me €4000 - €5000. Sadly, the improvement in PQ is something I cannot be assured of in a shop: it would take longer viewing periods with several different sources in different lighting conditions to determine how superior the BV11 is.- The new V1 chassis with sound and picture presets (I really like those options) and software updates over the internet (this is a convenience more than a necessity).
I'll probably wait for reviews and hands-on experiences of BeoWorlders, who currently have BeoVIsion 10 and jump for the upgrade, before taking the jump myself. I cannot fault the PQ of my 10-46 in any way: I have no clouding issues and the picture is wonderful on all sources, even SD sources. I've seen the BeoPlay V1 on many occasions, and its picture quality has always looked inferior to BV10, despite the new Video Engine. Of course, the panel in BV11 is a lot better, but is the new video engine too harsh on non-HD sources?
So it's a waiting game for me. I do not foresee the value of my BV10 dropping drastically anymore, now that the model has been discontinued and the price of a new BV10 was already dropped considerably. I've already suffered the loss by having "an old model" succeeded by the mighty BV11.
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
You probably all thought I was insane to acquire our BV8-40 earlier this year when there were rumours on new televisions coming.
Some mornings I think you would be right to call me insane
But each time I think it though I think my logic of the time was solid, and hindsight has shown that both the V1 and the BV11 are missing some capabilities I wanted, viz the video relay and the master link.
Sooner or later I shall have to make a break with the past ... but for me the V1/BV11 is a little too soon. Besides next year might bring OLED
I will of course explore the BV11 when it arrives on our shores and in our stores, and I will spend some more time understanding the V1 versus BV11 versus ATV multi-media/App interfaces, but the initial inspection of the V1's menus in May/June did not impress me -- but admittedly the dealers tend not to invest the time and effort required to really show off multi-media setups (imho).
KMA has neatly articulated his own situation and its pros and cons -- and each of us needs to be disciplined in building our individual "business case".
His comments on the PQ criterion are very valid -- when I was in the store on Friday I was admiring their BV12 when I noticed that the BV4-85 was showing the same program (a grind-iron game) as their BV10-40 and I was amazed at how inferior the BV10's colours were -- quite washed out, hence my comment on waiting for OLED.
When the store gets it and I do see the BV11, I will ask the trade-in question, and I fully expect a resounding "NO" -- c'est la vie.
I fully respect Moxxey's technical judgements -- if I had not listened to Moxxey in 2009 I would be the unhappy owner of a BV7.
I also fully respect Chris' right to try to get a good price and make the upgrade -- I hope Chris succeeds.
BeoNut since '75
Always pleasureable to read Elephants lines. Respect to you dude!
Even though i'm young, i'm kind of from the old skool that if you love something, hang on to it forever - don't trade it in a year later. If I buy the BV11, I want it to last a lifetime :)
Anyway Elephant, the new 13" Retina MacBook Pro is out next month so................ ;)
Paul W: Always pleasureable to read Elephants lines. Respect to you dude!
thank you Paul !
Paul W:Anyway Elephant, the new 13" Retina MacBook Pro is out next month so................ ;)
I know !! it is going to be a terrible temptation and as I still only have the first iPad so will be the iPad Mini and my macmini needs a memory upgrade as LinkPlayer no longer plays (pardon the pun !) well with Mountain Lion
Haha Oh my gosh Elephant!!! It's great how these Apple products are now playing so well with the new B&O products. Very nice to see the Apple TV box on the back of the BV11!!! Certainly, I think that is all i am going to need if I purchase that nice lil BV11!!!
Maybe Apple secretly own B&O now ??
Although no way would Jony Ive design crap like the V1 , especially in brown
Haha yeah maybe Flappo :) It would be nice to have a MacBook Pro in a different colour than chrome though - dark grey or something :)
Great job with the Bv11 though. I HATE TVs AND... I LOVE this Bv11 I hope that it can be the new Avant for you - certainly similar price to the Avant 32 DVD if I remember correctly (BV11-40) (DVD drive replaced by Apple TV box ;)
I just wish my avant would pack up so I had an excuse to buy a new one.
So reliable it's driving me nuts :D ok MORE nuts
Maybe I'll pour some vodka down the back see if that sorts things ou
Hahaha You must of got the one with the really strong picture tube in it!!! Hang on to it dude - iconic design!
Chris Townsend: My personal financial status is not for discussion or anybody's concern, and this almost emotionally involved type of discussion is probably the primary reason why forum members haven't bothered to keep visiting this site.
My personal financial status is not for discussion or anybody's concern, and this almost emotionally involved type of discussion is probably the primary reason why forum members haven't bothered to keep visiting this site.
If you want to get rid of a BV10 after 6 months - after all your forum posts saying you were following a model where you'd upgrade after 2-3 years, to a next generation panel (OLED etc) - then fair enough. No-one is having a go at your personal financial status here. It's just a massive contradiction with what you've written over the last 3 months for a minor BV10 MKII upgrade. It's not even as major as moving from a BV7 MIII to MKIV (with Blu-ray, 200Hz panel etc). The BV11's panel is the same as the BV10. Slightly differently lit, perhaps, but hardly significantly improved.
Chris, if you look back at your comments, over the last 3 or so months, you'd come to this conclusion:
1) You are very happy with you BV10/BL11 (so why upgrade?)
2) That you're not a man who's prepared to take a big hit on your kit, for a relatively minor upgrade
3) That you were going to follow a 2-3 year upgrade path and was very interested in the next big thing - OLED or similar
4) That you agreed that the BV11 is a great TV, but only marginally better than the BV10 and certainly not worth the hit you'd get on a 6-month (6 months!) BV10 for a relatively minor panel, design and performance upgrade.
This isn't about your "personal finances", it's about what you've been posting consistently over the last few months.
And never never start getting the bottom lip out by stating people won't come here as something is 'personal'. When you build a platform based on your comments, someone should be able to question why you've been telling us these things for months, then contradicting yourself by doing the opposite. Snag is, people take things *too* personally on forums. It's not. If you were in the same room I'd be having this discussion - note discussion - with you with a smile on my face, over a beer. But I'd still want to know the reasons behind the complete u-turn in your decision.
KMA: - Picture Quality. There would need to be a notable improvement in PQ with BeoVision 11, given that the upgrade will cost me €4000 - €5000. Sadly, the improvement in PQ is something I cannot be assured of in a shop: it would take longer viewing periods with several different sources in different lighting conditions to determine how superior the BV11 is.
- Picture Quality. There would need to be a notable improvement in PQ with BeoVision 11, given that the upgrade will cost me €4000 - €5000. Sadly, the improvement in PQ is something I cannot be assured of in a shop: it would take longer viewing periods with several different sources in different lighting conditions to determine how superior the BV11 is.
I'm still indifferent over the BV11's picture quality. Or, more likely, the BV11-55's picture quality.
It's definitely brighter than the BV10's, but I couldn't work out whether it's better. As it was brighter/better lit, flaws in the signal became more clear. I was noticing things you didn't see in the BV12. My dealer agreed. Was over at my dealers today and still wasn't bowled over with the picture. Sometimes LCD images can be too sharp, too exact.
The BV11 to me is a BV10 MKII. Indeed, I still think the balance of the BV10 design to be better than the BV11. I'm not sure I like the fact that they've reduced some of the border between aluminium frame and the panel. I don't like the positioning of the infrared part (it breaks up the black frame around the panel) and I don't like the increased space between the panel and speaker - BV10 is better balanced there). There are plenty of things to like, but most you don't need - the extra HDMI sockets, the audio management features, smart apps and so on. If you didn't miss them when you owned a BV10, you're not necessarily going to gain when you get your BV11. Sometimes I think - as blokes - we just imagine we will. More bells and whistles? The more we want it.
I disagree you can never have enough hdmis something which B&O lacked for some time and i guarantee you that if they had too or three hdmis then there would be the point of why haven't they increased the hdmi inputs.
With alot of things requiring hdmi i feel that you can't have enough and the bv11 has you covered for that. i don't know why you would want less.
I have been into AV for a number of years and i have recently sold all of gear to go back to 2 channel, now it got to a point where i was getting tired of having wires all over the place and having ex-amount of different components like an av receiver subwoofer and the rest.
I Just love the fact that with the bv11 you have everything pretty much built in so less clutter, killer looks and features which i find hard to nit pick at aswell as the all important six hdmis which will cover all your periferals.
I think that the bv11 is like an entertainment hub and i commend B&O for the forward thinking approach.
Beoplay A2
moxxey:It's definitely brighter than the BV10's, but I couldn't work out whether it's better. As it was brighter/better lit, flaws in the signal became more clear. I was noticing things you didn't see in the BV12. My dealer agreed. Was over at my dealers today and still wasn't bowled over with the picture. Sometimes LCD images can be too sharp, too exact.
What is your view on the colour difference I mentioned between the BV4 plasma and the BV10 LCD ?
It really made the BV10 look inferior i.e. washed out.
Suddenly the green grass of the playing field on the BV10 looked sun parched, compare to emerald green richness on the BV4.
Or in your opinion are the plasma colours too rich i.e. artificial.
Is the correct technical term "over saturated" ?
I would definitely wait for OLED if you want to see not only a step up in PQ .
The fact it doesn't require a backlight and you don't have any of the problems associated with them says it all really. Every LCD tv i've tried in the last 6+ years has had some backlight problem of a sort..
I'm holding out for one .
It seems that the new BV11 has a lot more settings and customization options than any other B&O TV. Do you think it will be possible to get a professional ISF calibration of the BV11?
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Seeing as you have a perfectly fine BV10, the smart thing to do [no pun intended] would be to wait for OLED, as Flap suggests.
In the past Bang n O have being glacially slow in adopting new technology, so we'll have to see how that pans out.
One thing that really puts me off a BV is the weight...
When you upgrade to OLED you will then have lost two sizeable chunks of hard earned money on two BeoSensuals!
Just saying'