ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
Hi all! I am considering buying a BV 10-46, but after yesterday news I am now wondering if I should pay 2000 more and go for BV 11 46.
Can you help me with your advice?
3D is not an unteresting point for me, so please help me evaluating BV 10/ BV 11 without taking in consideration 3D.
Thanks!
Liviu
Hi there! Moxxey is the man for this!!! If you are looking at a used BV10-46 then it's used value will have dropped considerably simply because of the BV11's far lower price point. (BV11-46 £6500 compared to BV10-46 at £8500+ new) All reports are suggesting that the new BV11 has a better sound quality which should be generally expected at these high prices. Anyway, Moxxey is the guy to ask...
The 11 is cheaper than the 10 and is better! Slimmer, better sound and smart features. Bit of a no brainer really! I imagine the 10 is no longer being sold so you might get a display model cheap, but it would have to be very cheap! The only fly in the ointment is that the 46 is not available immediately!
Peter
I would get a new model...no discount....it will be a buy back.
Sound quality: it will be used in a 5.1 configuration so I think it will not make big difference.
Why did you say that 11 is cheaper then 10. Dealer said 11-46 around 9000 and bv 10 -46 7000. Am I (or him ) wrong?
I think it depends on configuration but the 11-55 is £9000, not the 46. Under £7000 for the BV11-46.
If the prices are similar the choice will be simple :BV11, but if it is +2000???
Peter is correct. The BV11 is cheaper - and the dealers will be reducing the 10's as per the instructions of B&O.
However, I am told, laughably the 10's will be the same price as the 11's ... Errr. Hello?
I'm underwriting absolutely heaps of BV10's at the moment, so there will no doubt be some sensibly priced pre-owned BV10's out there which will kind of bring them into line with the BV11 prices, considering the BV11 is technically a better TV.
That said, I've heard plenty of people say that the image is either no better or only very slightly better on the 11 than the 10 - so it's the new platform and its capabilities which are clearly appealing to people.
I do love the fact the cables connect half way up the back on the 11. Pat on the back for the man who had the brains to question why they always needed to be at the bottom of the TV on the 10 !!!
Lee
BeoVision Haermony 65"...BeoLab 28 Anthracite....BeoLab 17 as REAR....BV10-32....BC6-26....Beosound 9000....Beosound 1 New York edt....Beogram 4002....Beoplay Emerge....Beoplay M5....Beoplay M3....Beoremote Halo....BeoRemote One BT....Beo6....Beo4....Beo4 Cinema....BeoLink 7000....Serene....H95 Black LTD....H9i Rimowa....6 x H6....Form 1....U70...
I have BeoLink link room TVs, but have to admit that these days I don't see the point.
RF distribution on anything bigger than a 26" looks rubbish
Modern TVs have built in freeview etc.
It's cheaper to add another Apple TV, Sky Box, Ps3 etc, than it is to buy the kit to distribute a decent picture.
I really don't see it as an issue. You can always do an HDMI Matrix if you really need the same content available in different rooms without just using extra boxes
mr_anders_son:But there is no easy way for Link room...no RF modulator
There is SIMPLY NO WAY AT ALL to use a BV11 as a Link TV, neither in a ML System and, at least at the moment, not in a NetworkLink system. You can use the NetworkLink Converter only for avideo master = main tv in V.OPT 1/2/4.
Paul W: Hi there! Moxxey is the man for this!!! If you are looking at a used BV10-46 then it's used value will have dropped considerably simply because of the BV11's far lower price point. (BV11-46 £6500 compared to BV10-46 at £8500+ new) All reports are suggesting that the new BV11 has a better sound quality which should be generally expected at these high prices. Anyway, Moxxey is the guy to ask...
I'd simply say this: if the difference is £2000, I'd go for it. There's definitely £2000 worth of extra value and, frankly, you'll get a better trade-in value, later in life, from the BV11, than you will with the BV10 (ie. you'll save some of that £2000).
My argument against upgrading to the BV11 (from the BV10) is that I'll lose so much money trading in my BV10 against the BV11, it will cost me far more than £2000. If I traded in my current BV10-46 against a BV11-46, I guess I'd have to pay around £4000. I don't view the BV11-46 as worth £4000 more than my current BV10-46, particularly as the picture quality doesn't appear to be improved.
That and the fact that my BC6 (TV) in the other room totally relies on my ML signal from the BV10. So, ditch the BV10 and I'd need to connect a separate box to control the BC6.
rednik: It's cheaper to add another Apple TV, Sky Box, Ps3 etc, than it is to buy the kit to distribute a decent picture.
Yeah, but that's a tad short-sighted as you then have to have multiple boxes - some larger than my BC6-23 - hidden somewhere. I'm not paying for a secondary Sky box in the other room, then worry about hiding it in the kitchen, just because I want apps on my BV11.
Do people really want the BV11 so much? Funny really. Maybe I'm missing out. Maybe those apps are so compelling I'm not realising how much they'll improve my telly-visual experience :)
moxxey: rednik: It's cheaper to add another Apple TV, Sky Box, Ps3 etc, than it is to buy the kit to distribute a decent picture. Yeah, but that's a tad short-sighted as you then have to have multiple boxes - some larger than my BC6-23 - hidden somewhere. I'm not paying for a secondary Sky box in the other room, then worry about hiding it in the kitchen, just because I want apps on my BV11. Do people really want the BV11 so much? Funny really. Maybe I'm missing out. Maybe those apps are so compelling I'm not realising how much they'll improve my telly-visual experience :)
It may just be me, and if so I apologise, but I don't see this as anything to do with apps or HDMI's. I see it (and I may be fantasising) as the first product which may serve as the digital hub of your home entertainment network via Netlink. It seems to have much more flexible speaker/audio routings than before and although digital video distribution isn't included to match Masterlink at the moment I get the feeling it is only a software update away. I see this developing as the new digital Avant - again if I'm wrong I'm not only saddened but disappointed, and again I apologise. I accept that the picture is no better but I believe the system potential is a generation beyond the BV10 or BS3 based TV's.
Or it could be a right Lemon!
Ban boring signatures!
moxxey: It may just be me, and if so I apologise, but I don't see this as anything to do with apps or HDMI's. I see it (and I may be fantasising) as the first product which may serve as the digital hub of your home entertainment network via Netlink. It seems to have much more flexible speaker/audio routings than before and although digital video distribution isn't included to match Masterlink at the moment I get the feeling it is only a software update away. I see this developing as the new digital Avant - again if I'm wrong I'm not only saddened but disappointed, and again I apologise. I accept that the picture is no better but I believe the system potential is a generation beyond the BV10 or BS3 based TV's.
The audio is no better than the BV10/BL11 combo. In fact, slightly worse from my demo. I don't want a TV to be a "hub of home entertainment". It's a TV, to show TV programmes and you can easily connect an Apple TV (or similar device) to ANY B&O TV and achieve the same - view photos, watch iPlayer content, connect to Netflix and so on. The Beo 4/Beo 6 will control the Apple TV. Indeed, somewhat ironically, my dealer was using an Apple TV to demo content via the TV....he wasn't using the "smart" apps built-in to the TV.
At the moment, I can't see how the BV11 will improve anything above a BV10/BL11/Apple TV experience. There's nothing it does, that's compelling enough for the upgrade. I don't sit around my TV sharing Facebook photos with my superficial friends, either :)
The BV11 also does nothing different from a high street smart TV, either. Better design, picture and audio, but the "smart" part is the same.
One thing is for sure....it definitely won't be a lemon. For users who do not have a B&O TV, it's a better version of the BV10, cheaper and even a slightly improved design. It just doesn't offer anything compelling for me to ditch a BV10 and switch to a BV11, costing approx £4000 to achieve this goal.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Tonker:Been thinking about this today. For sound I have a Beolab 11. For apps etc I have Apple tv and a PS3. The 11 is a neat smart tv with improved sound and some features. But like Moxxey there is nothing to entice say £4,000 of my money to trade in my 10-46. Keeping mine for good and when something groundbreaking comes out, I'll just stick it in the bedroom, or a huge toilet. Beovision 10-46, Belab 11, Beosound 8, Beocom 2, Beotime and a shed load of A8's and Form 2's. Oh and a Beo4 and 6.
BV11 vs. BV10:
Better sound - A lot better if you ask me!
Enough HDMI inputs - Never hurts to have spare ones.
Smart TV - depends on the country you live if the content they offer is useable.
HBBtv - Depends on the broadcasting tv-station. But you can watch content straight from the internet. Very populair in Germany and more countries will follow.
Sound modes configurable for different sources, similar like the V1. (I like this one)
DVBHD-T/C module standard built in. With Satellite only 100 extra. For BV10 it’s optional for 525 euros. With satellite 625.
Ethernet - Offers SW updates, PUC database, without the need of your dealer. Use your NAS (Twonky) to watch your movies, and listening music.
USB, HDMI and headpones inputs on top and hidden - Very nice!
Remote control with your iPad.
HardDisk optional
Game Mode - Delay not noticeable if your a gamer.
3D
Motorised wallbracket - B&O experience!!!
Did I forget someting? It all depends if the extra features the BV11 offers, if they are useable for you..
I say the BV11 is a winner!
I agree with most of the sentiments expressed:
If you have a newish BV10 and BL11, the cost to change would seem rather high. B&O seem to acknowledge that as the initial invitation to the 'VIP' launch excluded those with a recent BV10 purchase.
If you have an older TV, and wish to upgrade, the BV11 is an excellent set. It has an excellent picture, as did the BV10, and now has better sound than before. I still think it needs a sub-woofer - a TV this thin is never going to have stunning very low bass, but the important upper bass level has definitely improved, the area I certainly felt let the set down.
In addition, the price has actually reduced over the model it replaces and adds all sorts of features. Surely this can only be good news!
Can someone help us with actual official prices for BV 10-46 and BV 11-46? In order to better evaluate the price difference.
Vince, i would keep the 7-40 and if its the MK6 because you said its 3d, it is still together with its big brother the ultimate B&O TV. The pIcture,sound and integrated Blu Ray player make for an unbeatable combination. Get Apple TV or a PS3 and you get many apps for £1-200 anyway.
moxxey:The audio is no better than the BV10/BL11 combo. In fact, slightly worse from my demo. I don't want a TV to be a "hub of home entertainment". It's a TV, to show TV programmes and you can easily connect an Apple TV (or similar device) to ANY B&O TV and achieve the same - view photos, watch iPlayer content, connect to Netflix and so on. The Beo 4/Beo 6 will control the Apple TV. Indeed, somewhat ironically, my dealer was using an Apple TV to demo content via the TV....he wasn't using the "smart" apps built-in to the TV. At the moment, I can't see how the BV11 will improve anything above a BV10/BL11/Apple TV experience. There's nothing it does, that's compelling enough for the upgrade. I don't sit around my TV sharing Facebook photos with my superficial friends, either :) The BV11 also does nothing different from a high street smart TV, either. Better design, picture and audio, but the "smart" part is the same. One thing is for sure....it definitely won't be a lemon. For users who do not have a B&O TV, it's a better version of the BV10, cheaper and even a slightly improved design. It just doesn't offer anything compelling for me to ditch a BV10 and switch to a BV11, costing approx £4000 to achieve this goal.
Beste Grüße / Best regards
Schlaumeier
Setup Livingroom: BeoVision 10-40 and 10-32, BeoLab 6000 front, BeoLab 4000 rear, BeoLab 11, Ouverture, Apple TV 2 & 4, Airport Express, 6 x LC2.
Other Rooms: 3 x BeoSound 8, BeoVision 8-26, MX 4002, 2 x Keyring, 2 x Beolit 15, A1, Airport Express, 4 x Beo4, 2 x Beocom 5
I think the fact it's got built in wi fi and you can have ota sw updates is a killer feature.
Flappo: I think the fact it's got built in wi fi and you can have ota sw updates is a killer feature.
Indeed, makes the TV more future proof.
moxxey:The audio is no better than the BV10/BL11 combo
I find this comparaison a bit biased... You either compare the BV10 to the BV11 or the BV10+BL11 to the BV11+BL11 to get a meaningful comparison.
Anyway, I am glad Tue is true to his word. He once said he wanted their product range to be regularly enhanced, both technically and visually, rather than keeping the same exact product for many years. That's what he's just done with the BV10 to BV11 transition and it's giving a great product. Yet it doesn't make existing owner feel like they're loosing out.
p.
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
PhilLondon: moxxey:The audio is no better than the BV10/BL11 combo I find this comparaison a bit biased... You either compare the BV10 to the BV11 or the BV10+BL11 to the BV11+BL11 to get a meaningful comparison.
Not really, B&O were giving away a free BL11 with the BV10 for most of this year, so many of us received a BL11 with our BV10 purchase, so it's fairly meaningful.
And, I was replying from my perspective - the audio isn't much better than a BV10 with BL11, so the improved audio is irrelevant for me (and Chris, and others).
It's the new price that's the winner for me!
Yes, I wanted a 32" but since the BV11 starts at 40" i'm ok with that :) due to its a piece of art design which in my apartment will be on the eisel stand next to floor standing picture frames of art etc.
In all honesty, this is going to be used by me as a sound system for playing my iTunes playlists with the occasional YouTube HD video from my Apple TV.
But where is that orange grille? Some very very boring colours added to the BV11 grilles!!!
Paul W:But where is that orange grille? Some very very boring colours added to the BV11 grilles!!!
I doubt - sadly - that B&Os target audience group for their mainline products, buy the orange and yellow grilles (yellow for the A8). As much as I like my BV10 orange grille, it's not something that most people would consider. They'd go for black, grey, silver and, at a stretch, the red!
I can live without it though. I use the red grille 90% of the time. Rarely use the black, nor the silver and the orange grille rears it's head from time to time.
Thanks Moxxey. Damn that's a real shame, whenever I see the BV10s in Harrods, it's always the orange grilled ones that grab my attention :) Yes, I love the yellow covers on the A8/BS8 - definitely my colours.
I'm thinking there will be some kind of company out there that will stain a white grille orange for me?
Michael:If its fabric you could dye it yourself.
True, but the white cover is £100 and I'm not sure if I'd spend that to attempt an amateur colouring of the fabric. And how would you do it in one go? In the bath, maybe, but my previous experiences of trying to dye clothes, never went well - usually uneven and colour usually goes everywhere. Cleaning with soap is very different from attempting to dye fabric!
You can see what I think about the idea of trying to dye a grille through my new avatar :)
I think I may ask at my local Art School as they may have some contacts. Yes, I don't really fancy dying my bath bright orange ;) think it may effect the resale value of my property ;)
personaltrainerpaul:I think I may ask at my local Art School as they may have some contacts. Yes, I don't really fancy dying my bath bright orange ;) think it may effect the resale value of my property ;)
Great idea Phil - thank you for that :)
personaltrainerpaul:Great idea Phil - thank you for that :)
Haha, oh my gosh, patterns on a BV10!!!! Damn! Maybe Paul Smith stripes :)
moxxey:my previous experiences of trying to dye clothes, never went well...................
Brng back tie-dyeing, I say!
liviu_5F00_o:Can someone help us with actual official prices for BV 10-46 and BV 11-46? In order to better evaluate the price difference.
Do you know the prices for 46 and 40 as well?
liviu_5F00_o:Do you know the prices for 46 and 40 as well?
Puncher: moxxey:my previous experiences of trying to dye clothes, never went well................... Brng back tie-dyeing, I say!
LOL. Sadly wasn't as 'exciting' as that. Was just me trying to re-dye a black Armani shirt which had quickly faded after a couple of washes!