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Beomaster4400 balance potentiometer

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ALF Posted: Thu, Mar 22 2018 5:21 AM

greetings all,

i am looking for a spare balance potentiometer for my BM4400

has anyone a spare one to offer ?

thank you

ALF

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Dillen replied on Thu, Mar 22 2018 10:06 AM

Serialnumber?

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ALF replied on Thu, Mar 22 2018 11:43 AM

Type 2417,

serial # 1384024

thanks

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Dillen replied on Thu, Mar 22 2018 1:42 PM

Sorry, I don't have one.
Is it broken?

Martin

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Craig replied on Thu, Mar 22 2018 6:23 PM

alf

is this the issue you have been having all the time?

 

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ALF replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 12:35 AM

Martin,

i am getting confusing measurements when checking its resistance?!

breaking it open wont achieve much if the tracks are worn.

your thoughts ?

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ALF replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 12:36 AM

Craig,

yes, it is related.

can you supply one ?

ALF

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Craig replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 11:36 AM

Alf

I have a couple of linear pots on a BM4000 amp that I have used for spares, they are 20k ohm which is the same value as those fitted to the 4400, I will have a look to see if they are physically compatible....if so you can have one.

Craig

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ALF replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 11:39 AM

Looks like all spare parts cabinets are locked ?ðŸĪ”ðŸ˜ģ

the balance pot definitely has a problem, unable to varify the 20k resistance

nor any significant resistance changes when slider is moved.

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ALF replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 11:51 AM

Thanks Craig,

though I have my doubts they would be compatible ? 

It looks as their connection tabs are different to the BM4400 but there is no harm in trying.

Can imagine Martin would have had one and was asking for the serial #.......no luck

ALF

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Dillen replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 12:14 PM

Two types of potentiometers was used in Beomaster 4400.
Both types are unique to Beomaster 4400.

The change took in place during production from serialnumber 1524001.
I have a potentiometer of the "wrong" type, that unfortunately won't fit in your Beomaster.
This one: https://beoparts.com/2014/07/13/beomaster-4400-treble-bass-potentiometer-2/ 

These balance potentiometers are not just two resistive tracks in antiparallel.
They are quite special creatures where the two tracks each have a zero-ohm track halfway down the length, starting from each their end and
a resistive track for the rest of the length.
Both tracks have zero resistance at the center.

Martin

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ALF replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 12:51 PM

Thanks for the info Martin,

just unfortunate for my BM that you only have the newer version at hand......

please let me know if you get one in 🙏🙄

ALF

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Craig replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 1:13 PM

Martin

Thats very interesting, if a little confusing Confused I dont suppose you could provide a little schematic of the workings just out of interest?

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Craig replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 1:13 PM

Martin

Thats very interesting, if a little confusing Confused I dont suppose you could provide a little schematic of the workings just out of interest?

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Dillen replied on Fri, Mar 23 2018 4:18 PM

ALF:

Looks like all spare parts cabinets are locked ?ðŸĪ”ðŸ˜ģ

the balance pot definitely has a problem, unable to varify the 20k resistance

nor any significant resistance changes when slider is moved.

ALF

Are you sure, you are measuring it correctly?
For the left channel, the resistance is zero all the way moving the slider from left side to center position, and from center position it varies towards 20K as you near the right side (lowering left channel signal). 
Right channel vice versa.

In other words, the tracks are constant zero ohms for 50% of the travel distance and only varies in resistance the last half.
Each of the two channels only has a potentiometer function from center outwards towards each their end. The remaining of the travel it's at zero ohms.
At the center position both channels should be at zero ohms (no damping).

It's not like the other potentiometers and if you are not familiar with its type, it can indeed give "confused readings".

Martin

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ALF replied on Sat, Mar 24 2018 12:58 AM

Martin,

thanks for the “pot inside view” but no matter how I measure, there was no 20KOhm to be seen .....?!

I never bet my life away garanteeing no mistakes - i will check again as a valued forum member suggested

to check work three times ðŸĪŠ

there is still the possibility of operating a faulty balance pot ?!!?

ALF

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ALF replied on Sat, Mar 24 2018 3:11 AM

martin,

I can most certainly not replicate any of these suggested measurments.

My only conlusion is a dodgy balance potentiometer, hence the search for a replacement 🙄

ALF

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ALF replied on Mon, Mar 26 2018 11:25 AM

Hi everyone,

case closed - found a working balance pot !!

yes, it is the correct one 😁😁

ALF

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