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Mates,
I have a BV9 currently, not an ACM model. Absolutely no complaints about it. In fact, the contrary
I still very much enjoy it.
However, I need a new tele for the master bedroom. Currently have a 3rd party panel there. Was considering purchasing a BV11-55 for the main room and relocating the BV9 to the master bedroom.
I know the obvious advantages of 3d and SmartTV. . i fear that the sound of the BV11 will be inferior. .
I have the BV9 connected to beolab 5s and beolab 3s and fear that the bv11 would not be able to keep up.. .
My other concern is that I won't see a substantial 'gain' in purchasing this new set. .
thoughts?
I just went to a new B&O store here in Denmark and I had a nice talk with a repr. from B&O HQ, and he wasimpressed by the sound of the BV11-55, especially compared to BV10-40. I admit that the BV11-55 sound very good, I would say it is far better than the BV12.And maybe even better than the BV9, I think that the cabinet volume and the new sound engine (developed by Geoff Martin I think) is better than BV9. But it is just a feeling.
I must say that the BV11 is really nice looking.
Hi,
We have the same setups (except than my auxiliary TV is a BV10) and share the same concern!!
IMHO, the + of BV11 are
- Larger connectivity,
- Access to the Internet and widgets
- Opening on the IT world,
- First step to the new NetLink system
The -:
- Only product of the NL ecosystem with a limited acces to existing ML network.
- Sound: is BV11 able to match BL5?
The¨+ of BV9:
- Sound: the ATL internal speaker matches the BV5
- Vision: Plasma screen have a softer image than LCD.
The - of BV9:
- Shortly obsolete BS3
I have the same question as you and will appreciate other Beoworlders opinions.
Kind regards,
Yann.
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I am surprised by the sound performance of the BV11-55, but it dpes not have ALT :-(
If power consumption has an interest, the BV9 is quite expensive compared to BV11.
But, for me, the BV9 is really an icon, like the BV7 series.
I'd suggest NO. Not that the BV11 is not a good product, its just that you'd be going from one of B&O's upper mid-range products down to their entry-level product (I exclude Play from this). The issue is that the update cycle has started from the entry-level upwards. Hold on to 2013 for the BV7/9 replacement product(s). I have a BV7 and I understand its like-for-like replacement will arrive sometime next year.
Whilst you would benefit by a few months gaining their new 'smart TV' experience, you'd be heading backwards from a sound and picture processing standpoint and expandability/connectivity would become more limited in terms of options.
I have waivered on the issue much as most of you are.
It does appear that it is a lateral step at best. . The technology has improved
but as it was stated here, I'm moving from top of the range to entry level. . maybe it doesn't make sense?
the better investment is maybe a second hand bv10-40 for the bedroom and move on. .
I have lab 8k and lab2 in the bedroom so sound from the bv10 is not a huge concern, stereo only, no surround
I opted for a bv4-65 about a month ago ..
haven't given it a second thought. . .
the 65 is phenomenal!
mawheele: Hold on to 2013 for the BV7/9 replacement product(s). I have a BV7 and I understand its like-for-like replacement will arrive sometime next year.
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Razlaw: mawheele: Hold on to 2013 for the BV7/9 replacement product(s). I have a BV7 and I understand its like-for-like replacement will arrive sometime next year. Any further info on a replacement for the BV 7?
Hold on to 2013 for the BV7/9 replacement product(s). I have a BV7 and I understand its like-for-like replacement will arrive sometime next year.
Any further info on a replacement for the BV 7?
My dealer mentioned that there's no replacement for the BV7 any time soon and he seems to know what's coming approx 6 or so months in advance. And what would they replace it with? There's no new panel improvements (4K, OLED) that are ready for the B&O range and if you make it any thinner, you would call it the BV11. The design needs to be relatively deep to accommodate the DVD player.
I can't see many TV changes until B&O get a fix on the next big thing. 4K is still very early doors and OLED is still not ready. B&O tend to be at least a year behind any mainstream brand.
I was in the same predicament a month ago and went for the BV11-55, I know it's technically their 'entry level' TV but what I think it does is highlight just how stupidly overpriced B&O TV's have been in the past, the days of BV9/BV4 pricing hopefully won't be seen again.
Ok so it doesn't have ALT, but the sound management system will be far more sophisticated than your current setup and you will be able to set the 11's speakers so they can 'keep up' with your other speakers through a multitude of parameters.
BV9 to me is a beautiful TV, but after careful consideration I didn't find it to be a lateral change.
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Razlaw:What would they replace it with? Perhaps an updated chassis like the V1 and BV11 with the new features they have? User updateable puc list, iPad control, the more advanced sound settings.
Oh, sorry my confusion. I thought you meant a new design. However, can they replace the BV7 chassis with that of the 'lesser' BV11? Part of the reason some users bought the more expensive BV7 was due to the projector support, masterlink and other features. You'd lose all of this with a BV11 chassis, so some people would regard this as a downgrade.
I mean, let's face it, the MKII BV7-55 has a (slightly) better picture than the BV11, so is it a real upgrade? I don't know if B&O regard this as a necessity - keep the BV7 design and push a BV11 chassis in to it. Maybe they regard is as a waste of short-term engineering resources and they'd be better spent working on a new BV7 when the next gen panel arrive. Just a thought.
mjmedlo:I think 4k is coming. Just a hunch.
mjmedlo:I think 4k is coming.
Good luck with that theory :) Over in the UK, it's taken years to get to the position where most channels are in HD (with BBC2 launching in HD in March).
Indeed, the quality/bandwidth of the HD channels is far worse than it was a few years ago. I read recently that Sky has had to halve the bandwidth allocated to their premier channels, in order to meet the increasing demand for new HD channels. Frankly, there isn't enough bandwidth for top-quality HD, never mind 4K!
4K is a huge dilemma. To justify upgrading to an expensive 4K TV, users need a reason to upgrade. There isn't one at the moment. Perhaps this will change when the Playstation 4 is released, but even they completely omitted mentioning 4K at the recent PS4 reveal, leaving some people wondering if they will launch the PS4 with 4K support (it might be too expensive for a £300 console).
Having a 4K panel is one thing, but having content to show on it is another.
PS4 will support 4K video, but not 4K game:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1361519771
If Sony 4K 84" tv cost 25,000€, B&O 4K tv will cost more than 100,000€.
I absolutely agree with moxxey on this one. 4K and 8K is the next "3D" of the TV manufactures, desperately trying to create a need for something new. Infrastructure is hardly, or just, catching up with HD and not at all ready for even more bandwidth. Content is what determines a success in that respect.
Just my 2 cents
4k, even if upsampling from 1080p makes for a prettier picture on larger sized screens.
It is for this reason I don't own a large 1080 tv. I don't see the point of having to see the individual pixels after a certain diagonal size (which, of course will vary, depending on distance and eye sight).