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Totally agree with you Chris! For £99 a real true bargain!!!
Hi Shinobi,
Thank you re the lamp, it gives a real warm orange glow to the room!
With Apple TV, it basically streams your entire iTunes library so it can be your entire music library of music playlists or radio stations, films, TV series, rented movies or podcasts etc or indeed anything that you download or rip and make into an mp4!!! It does the whole thing very effortlessly, slickly and painlessly!
You can also access You Tube on it etc. In reality it is THE PERFECT choice for someone like myself who uses iTunes all of the time.
I certainly do not find iTunes limited with regards to video files etc as Handbrake does such an easy, wonderful job of converting any given file to an mp4.
Design wise, Apple TV as a little plastic box is a marvel. Its beautifully built, designed. Even the box is a lesson in design and packaging. Lovely little thing which I will be giving to a few friends as Christmas presents this year :)
shinobi52:May be It s a little bit "off topic" but can one of you please explain what's the advantage of the Apple tv? Ok you have the AirPlay function and rent some movies. Is It not better to have à western digital live hub or other brand?
Ok you have the AirPlay function and rent some movies. Is It not better to have à western digital live hub or other brand?
If you only use it for these purposes, and stay in Apple-land, yes ATV is a no-brainer, like Paul says.. But if your outside the box, get yourself another mediaplayer. It’s that my AppleTV is jailbroken, so I can play any videoformat from my NAS. Otherwise I would ditch it instantly and buy a Dune or similar product. Other than the nice interface of an ATV, the features are very limited. For example, converting all my downloads (tv-series in particular) with Handbrake is not an option.
Paul W: Hi Shinobi, Thank you re the lamp, it gives a real warm orange glow to the room! With Apple TV, it basically streams your entire iTunes library so it can be your entire music library of music playlists or radio stations, films, TV series, rented movies or podcasts etc or indeed anything that you download or rip and make into an mp4!!! It does the whole thing very effortlessly, slickly and painlessly! You can also access You Tube on it etc. In reality it is THE PERFECT choice for someone like myself who uses iTunes all of the time. I certainly do not find iTunes limited with regards to video files etc as Handbrake does such an easy, wonderful job of converting any given file to an mp4. Design wise, Apple TV as a little plastic box is a marvel. Its beautifully built, designed. Even the box is a lesson in design and packaging. Lovely little thing which I will be giving to a few friends as Christmas presents this year :)
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree Paul re the Apple TV and I also use handbrake for converting odd file formats from YouTube into Mp4, but I also use iFlicks which is A$20.00 to buy, and comes with a 14 day free trial, and is excellent at automating the process either singly or in batches of files.
It will literally take a folder of assorted video files, convert them using H264 video codec, and pop them into the movie or tv shows folder of iTunes as needed, at up to 1080 x 1920 res, automatically, thus saving a lot of work and manual tweaking.
I also have an Elgato Eye TV twin HD tuner for my Mac, and will record selected free to air documentaries etc, and it is again set up so that when the recording is finished, it automatically exports the file into iTunes and again into the appropriate folder such as movies or TV shows etc.
From there I just make up a playlist in itunes and it's done, and I can stream to the Apple TV3 and V1.
The very latest macs feature airplay mirroring, so virtually any file or picture can be 'mirrored' on the apple TV to your B&O set, so using iTunes is not necessary; however for neatness of organisation and making playlists etc, I find iTunes excellent, speaking personally.
I fully appreciate DoubleU's point that the AppleTV has limitations, and that it's performance capabilities can be extended by jailbreaking. But one then has to ask oneself, do I want to spend time tweaking kit as part of a hobby to get a result, and learn the tech. necessary to do that, or do I merely want the result with the least amount of fiddle and faffing about? Personally, I"m in the later camp, but I appreciate that some will like to tweak and tinker, and for them an apple TV may not be the ideal solution.
Many thanks Paul for your most kind remarks re being a spokesperson for the V1. I try to be realistic as possible, and fair, in my assessment of something, and not put products on pedestals where they don't deserve it, but neither do I like making destructive criticism of a product where it's not deserved either; rather I would try and point out a products strengths and weaknesses and make constructive criticisms such as to allow people to make up their own mind, for nothing is perfect, and we will all have different expectations, priorities and needs with respect to our purchasing decisions.
I will try to find the Mercedes you mention - it just so happens I drive a Mercedes - but probably not quite as rare or desirable as the one you mention!
Still, I love it for it's style, luxury, comfort, engineering integrity, refinement and quality - not exactly the same (it's a car after all) but yet similar qualities that resonate with me as regards B&O, and a similar sense of very high ownership satisfaction when taken as an overall package to live with and enjoy.
Kind regards
John...
John: Yes, I wholeheartedly agree Paul re the Apple TV and I also use handbrake for converting odd file formats from YouTube into Mp4, but I also use iFlicks which is A$20.00 to buy, and comes with a 14 day free trial, and is excellent at automating the process either singly or in batches of files. It will literally take a folder of assorted video files, convert them using H264 video codec, and pop them into the movie or tv shows folder of iTunes as needed, at up to 1080 x 1920 res, automatically, thus saving a lot of work and manual tweaking.
Why would you that? There is no need to convert. Why don't you sign up for a Youtube account, favourite your video's, log in with your ATV, and go from there.
John: I fully appreciate DoubleU's point that the AppleTV has limitations, and that it's performance capabilities can be extended by jailbreaking. But one then has to ask oneself, do I want to spend time tweaking kit as part of a hobby to get a result, and learn the tech. necessary to do that, or do I merely want the result with the least amount of fiddle and faffing about? Personally, I"m in the later camp, but I appreciate that some will like to tweak and tinker, and for them an apple TV may not be the ideal solution.
Exactly my point! ;)
Jailbreaking an ATV(2) is pretty easy and you don’t need to be a techie for that. You can easily install XBMC without having any involved technical knowledge. Like I said, if mine wasn’t jailbroken, I would have to convert a few hundred episodes with Handbrake to enjoy my TV-series. So I definitely don’t want to be in your later camp.
Do not compare a JB for iPad/Iphone with an ATV. Now that’s for techies and makes your device instable. I’ve been there, and rollbacked it to non-JB in a week..
Don’t get me wrong, I am an “Apple-fan-boy”, just like you, but a (non-jb) ATV is far from perfect. Other brands will do some jobs a lot better and that’s why I dislike the way how Paul W is worshipping Apple products.
One other (minor?) benefit of an ATV is that you can browse your iPhoto library, and also select a collection of photos to be the screen saver.
Also, it can access your Photostream(s) - which I have used on occasions when I am working away from home and I want to share a scene with my wife.
I am sure equally versatile products -- my shop browsing perspective of them is that they lack the sophisticated meta-data interface of the ATV (i.e. it displays the iTunes data, not the file name).
For me the ATV was simple to slip into ... up and running in a minute ... and no "glitches".
I get around strange formats or whatever by accessing them via a Plex client on the iPad and broadcasting (sorry Airplaying) them to the ATV.
BeoNut since '75
THIS IS FAR to off topic!! The thread is about the V1 Software Update! Nothing else. Please keep to that . No one has had any input on it except for me and we are already at page four!
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Michael, I think that is because nobody else knows anything else about the software for the V1... A best friend of mine has just asked me to check out a new Panasonic TV for him and of my gosh, it seems to offer a heck of a lot!!! With Panasonic & SONY joining efforts to produce OLED in 2013, hopefully we may see this soon in B&O tvs!!!
Paul W: Michael, I think that is because nobody else knows anything else about the software for the V1... A best friend of mine has just asked me to check out a new Panasonic TV for him and of my gosh, it seems to offer a heck of a lot!!! With Panasonic & SONY joining efforts to produce OLED in 2013, hopefully we may see this soon in B&O tvs!!!
So Paul, I guess your position is that a dearth of info on a topic is an open invitation to inject whatever irrelevant comment you wish?
Symmes, personally, I think it is 100% relevant to those interested in B&O Tvs as these modern technology advances will eventually find their way into B&O products!
As nobody has yet bought the Smart TV feature for the V1, nobody has been able to write a piece on it!
I hope that the posts have given you a good insight into the Apple TV box. Certainly if you are an iTunes user, it's a really wonderful device and would compliment your V1 beautifully!
I hope that you have lots of fun!
Paul W: As nobody has yet bought the Smart TV feature for the V1, nobody has been able to write a piece on it!
comes next month. You shall buy a code from your dealer and then download it from V1.
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Well i was in b&o the other day checking out the bv11 which i have too say is an amazing looking and sounding tv when i was told by the dealer that as of the 31 of october the v1 will be smart tv ready from the factory.
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Michael: THIS IS FAR to off topic!! The thread is about the V1 Software Update! Nothing else. Please keep to that . No one has had any input on it except for me and we are already at page four!
Apologies for the thread drift Michael
But life is full of little surprises, twists and turns...
As you know, I have the software update and like it - especially the addition of iPad control.
I can't comment on picture quality as I haven't had much chance to study it to see if there's any difference, but for some strange reason think the sound on TV is a little clearer. I have a preset volume of 45, so that's the same, and yet it does seem well, clearer somehow, even though it's on the default for that input - 'adaptive' - as far as the sound settings is concerned.
Maybe the parameters for that setting have been changed/adjusted in the defaults - difficult to say, but it sounds great, and looks great, so I don't really so much care about the how or why, just the lovely result. Call me shallow..... LOL...
If the code to update it to allow the webmedia player/browser 'smart' function to operate is available from my retailer soon, I'll be instigating that feature on the TV and will report back.
Meantime, sit back and enjoy....
Best Regards
John you could definitely be right with regards to the sound getting better with the update as I do remember Moxxey commentlng that his BV10-46 sounded better with a software update :) :) :)
Keep enjoying dude!
Did you hear about Scott Forstall leaving Apple ?
Shocking stuff
er Flappo, who is that guy you just mentioned?
Paul W: er Flappo, who is that guy you just mentioned?
Senior Vice President of iPhone software at Apple inc. - And in charge of the (in)famous new Maps app.
The guy responsible for iOS which was his big success, but more recently responsible for a few criticised products: Maps, Siri, some tacky interface elements (faux leather) and has notoriously bad temper...
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Thank you Guys :)
Well I guess that I have to live with all the off-topic messages, even after I said that I wanted to keep ON-topic. But thats ok I guess. However I yesterday noticed that my V1 showed signs of some kind of issue. While trying to select different sound modes the picture started to 'vibrate'. I could see the black border with the white text showing the name vibrating in different patterns, and some of this in the picture also I think.A bit strange I think.
I did the update last night and I couldn't find the new HbbTV feature. Is this delivered over the internet? (I don't have an aerial connected).
Jonathan
Well it is not necessary aerial.
HBB is short for Hybrid Broadcast Broadband and the broadcast delivery can be through aerial, cable or satellite however your provider has to support it.
As far as I understand internet is only needed if the HBB-TV service needs a back-channel (for example for voting and such) or content is non-linear for example VOD.
You can see an system overview on page 12 of the HBB-TV spec: http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102700_102799/102796/01.01.01_60/ts_102796v010101p.pdf
Griebel:It comes through aerial. Haven't heard that it works also via internet, but I may be wrong.
For Hbb-TV you need both (therefore "Hybrid") ARIAL or CABLE or SAT as well as INTERNET - have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Broadcast_Broadband_TV
shinobi52:A friend was yesterday at home with some football, action and fast games. As i am not à big gamer, I ask him to test the tv and check for some bugs.... After 4hours, he just says : Great Tv with very good picture, no lag, and far better that my old Bv8 with it s was difficult to play at dark games ( he hates the BV8). Tv in game mode with Playstation 3. Games : fifa2013, sleeping dogs, Cod, Gta,... Hope it helps some of you. Cheers.
After 4hours, he just says : Great Tv with very good picture, no lag, and far better that my old Bv8 with it s was difficult to play at dark games ( he hates the BV8).
Tv in game mode with Playstation 3.
Games : fifa2013, sleeping dogs, Cod, Gta,...
Hope it helps some of you.
Cheers.
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Next, we moved on to on to examine input lag and we had a bad feeling here. When a PC is connected you can clearly feel the delay when moving the mouse and our testing revealed that BeoPlay V1 often topped 200 ms in input lag, which makes fast console games close to unplayable. Even in the game mode, BeoPlay V1 failed to lower input lag to an acceptable level, and this is an important issue that B&O need to address. In the game mode, casual gaming is okay but if you prefer sports games, such as FIFA, racing games or FPS games, such as shooters, I think you will be bothered by the delay. We were.
I tried to play Fifa 2013 and Gran Turismo 5 using this tv and it's very very bad for this games. They try to update the game mode to make it more useful.
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Has anybody purchased this V1 update yet? I'm thinking I will...
jkhamler: Has anybody purchased this V1 update yet? I'm thinking I will...
If it becomes available here in Australia - definitely.
I've also noticed that when I turn the TV on (from standby), on a daily basis, that the Electronic program guide (EPG) appears to be automatically updated whilst the TV is in standby - previously, all the programs in the guide had to be updated manually on a daily basis when the TV was turned on from standby - not a big deal, but it is nicer and more user friendly with the apparent changes.
I'm even happier now with it than when I bought it a couple of months ago ....
Hi John,
As a newbie to the world of B&O and someone strongly considering the V1 40 I've really enjoyed your comments and reviews of the TV, so would be grateful if you could elaborate on your comment about previously having to update the EPG daily.
The reason for this is that I am quite obsessive-compulsive about turning appliances off at the plug socket when not in use. I'm not sure if this would be problematic with a B&O TV for some reason, but also picked up that you leave it in standby and would still have to update daily.
James
I don't think it's supposed to be switched off at the mains, but you can program it to use less power when it's not needed. In the settings there is a thermostat-style daily timer where you can set the 'quick start up' time periods (which uses slightly more power but starts up in a fraction of the time), and set it to low-power standby mode for the rest of the time.
I'm also the same in regards to switching off at the mains especially when not at home, i wonder why B&O don't add switches on there tvs. If you turn off at the mains can that cause problems for B&O tvs??? if that is the case i may have to look else where.
mrjameskent: Hi John, As a newbie to the world of B&O and someone strongly considering the V1 40 I've really enjoyed your comments and reviews of the TV, so would be grateful if you could elaborate on your comment about previously having to update the EPG daily. The reason for this is that I am quite obsessive-compulsive about turning appliances off at the plug socket when not in use. I'm not sure if this would be problematic with a B&O TV for some reason, but also picked up that you leave it in standby and would still have to update daily. Kind regards James
Hi James
Welcome to Beoworld - I'm a relative newbie here myself, as the V1 40 is my first serious B&O purchase, albeit I've been an audiophool for far to many years; B&O is definitely helping me to recover and lessen the audiophool tendencies, which is all to the greater good! Life has far to many interests and rewards to get hung up with anxiety attacks about audiophool obsessiveness IMHO and Experience!... :-)
So.... pre software update...
If you turn the TV off at the power socket on the wall it is 'off' as against just being in 'standby' which is what happens when you hit the 'off' button on the remote - it goes into standby mode, like most modern electronics.
However, when fully turned off (at the wall or by additionally unplugging) after about 15- 30 mins, if the feature is activated (user choice option in setup menus) the PIN code system will active when you turn it back on at the wall (standby), and fully 'on' with the remote, - you will then need to input your four digit PIN number - a security feature in case of theft. As I say, you can turn this feature off in the setup menu if it annoys you, but it is an disadvantage if you decide to fully turn off the TV at the wall every-time you have finished using it.
With respect to the EPG, I found that when turning the TV on, either after being switched off at the wall, OR from standby, that on a daily basis, the electronic program guide would not show any listings other than the channel the TV was tuned to at switch on. Accordingly, one had to select to update the channel guide - which would mute the sound and take up to a couple of minutes.
Post software update.....
My V1 is connected to my network by Cat 6 ethernet cable, and one of the things that surprised me after doing the software update, and rebooting the TV (which I did by turning off at the wall, unplugging, and then replugging after a few minutes and switching on at the wall again- putting the TV into 'standby') was that there was very obvious network activity relating to the TV whilst it was in standby - the link lights were flashing indicating information was either being downloaded to the TV, or sent upstream and online.
When I switched 'on' (out of standby) via the remote, voila, the EPG guide was fully populated with information.
This new behaviour has remained; every time I switch on now from standby, the EPG is up to date and does not require manual updating for the immediate programs one desires to watch in the immediate time frame. You can still do a manual update of the EPG and it appears to add further information for programs ahead of ones immediate time frame - I haven't investigated as to how far ahead.
I'm assuming, but if one turned the TV completely off at the wall, and then on again the next day, you would have to go through the PIN code rigamarole (if activated) and either wait for the TV to update the EPG automatically whilst in standby, or turn it on and update manually.
This of course seques into my thoughts re leaving in standby, turning off etc...
Audiophiles have argued back and forth on forums, the various benefits or not, of either turning kit off, or leaving it on, for yonks and with great divergence of opinion and not a little animosity in my experience.
As a previous Naim owner, I fully experienced this sort of obsessive ritual, and have to say it was one of the reasons amongst others that I was happy to be rid of Naim and the experience of ownership that went with it.
With my previous HiFi kit, I would turn on and use, and turn off when finished.
With Naim, it allegedly took up to one to two weeks for the pre-amp to 'warm up, ditto for the CD player, and similar for the power amp or so it was claimed.
Certainly Naim recommended that the pre-amp and it's power supply be left permanently on; ditto the CD player, only the power amp should be turned on and off as per use - the power amp in particular was exceptionally susceptible to power surges/spikes etc and lightening - certainly in heavy electrical storm activity for complete protection, all hiFi kit should really be turned off at the wall AND unplugged. But of course, Naim's legendary PRaT would be diminished (allegedly again) by use of surge protector boards, so these weren't recommended.
This lead to the occasional nightmare - the kit would be left on, powered up to keep it 'warm' and 'on song' and meanwhile one would be out at work, and along came a large electrical storm. Would one return home to a smouldering ruin? At the end of the day, that sort of anxiety is just not worth it IMHO.
And the sonic effects of leaving kit on are debatable to say the least. Meantime, resistors, transistors, electrolytic capacitors etc, all have a finite life measured in X hours at X volts at X temperature - so leaving kit on, especially in hot conditions, is likely to shorten it's life. The counter argument is that electronics will fail at switch on with current surge, like an incandescent light bulb, and there is some truth in this, albeit with modern designs and staged relay switch on, this is far less troublesome than most audiophiles would like to think.
So what to do?
In my personal case, I use good quality Belkin surge boards on my V1, and leave it in standby. I turn it on when I use it, and off when I've finished. I live in a first world country with few issues with brownouts etc, or power cuts, and I am confident any such slight surges would be handled by the surge board with aplomb - I also use them on my computer gear for the same reasons.
In case of severe electrical storm, I will switch off at the wall AND unplug for maximum protection, whilst realising that the chances of a direct lightening strike are very slim, and that in such case pretty much everything electrical that was plugged in would be destroyed; I think I'd have a lot more to worry about than just the HiFi...
By the same token, if I'm out and a storm comes over, I don't worry - I have insurance and I've learnt that the obsessions that go with being an audiophool just aren't worth it in the overall picture of life.
Speaking personally, I'd take sensible but not perhaps unnecessarily obsessive precautions against fire or electrical damage, and use the kit in line with the manufacturers recommendations. In the case of B&O, they aren't an company that subscribes to audiophile tom foolery and pseudo science, so switching on and off out of standby with a good surge board to add a degree of electrical protection whilst the set is in low power/standby mode, seems to be the most common sense thing to do, speaking for myself.
I'm also very confident that B&O would also ensure that their sets provide maximum electrical safety and comply with all safety regulations with respect to the end user as regards fire or electrical shock, whilst in low power/standby mode, so I personally have no issues with leaving the set in low power/standby mode when not in use on a day to day basis, with the proviso of switching off at the wall and unplugging in situations of severe electrical storms, or whilst away on holidays for a few days etc.
I hope this helps re the EPG and software update, and that you don't mind me adding a few thoughts re audiophool obsessions and rituals....
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