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Planning to finally replace my faithful 32" Avant DVD - and will get a 55" flat screen - but which one? The Avant is attached to my BC2 DVD and the house system runs via ML to MCL.
I am thinking that the BV7 would be the simplest switch. I don't like the Eclipse and had a BV10 butI didn't like the sound quality. BV11 is possibly better but I will need an amplifier for the feed to upstairs.
Thoughts?And where would you source it from?
Peter
If you wanted almost modern with ML what about a BV10-46?
I have just changed to an BV11-46 for my lounge Peter, and a V1-32 for the kitchen. I never owned a BV10 so can't comment on sound quality but the BV11 is more than sufficient for me and very good sounding to my ageing ears. I have owned a BV7-40 with the 7-2 speaker in the past and there's no doubt that the sound was superb.
Difficult choice as 2 very different looking sets. We both really loved the BV5 and since you have had a BV10 perhaps a change to a different design BV7 might be the way forward? The 7-55 (if you buy the Mk2) will offer incredible picture quality with the full array 512 zone backlighting and the sound will be equally brilliant. The BV11-55 is a later set but not necessarily better as I am sure the BV7-55 will have the relevant connections you need. As far as I see it, you can't lose whichever you decide. Happy hunting and all the best, Simon.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
These days, definitely OLED for a main TV - reference picture quality has moved on since Plasma days and bypassed LCD/LED completely (with possible exception of BV7-55 and that too has now had it's day, not to mention its vast bulk).
Ban boring signatures!
Agreed Puncher but my hunch is that Peter is looking to stay with B&O but doesn't fancy an Eclipse; something I agree with him on!
Only reason to buy legacy b&o tv now is as a stopgap to see what the promised soundbars bring in the way of b&o compatibility before then making the break to non-b&o tv.
Either this one or the next will have to be non-b&o, only question is can you live with the inconvienience while waiting for soundbar in order to have the best picture or will you make do picturewise for convienience sake until you can have both best picture and b&o connectivity.
Me, I'd switch now - BV7 design looks very dated now.
I am quite dated though!! I have an MCL wired house and don't really want to change but accept my 32" Avant is big with a small screen! The BV5 is fine. Eyesight pretty ropey these days so I don't need the new ultra HD. House is also a bit antique!!
Peter: I am quite dated though!! I have an MCL wired house and don't really want to change but accept my 32" Avant is big with a small screen! The BV5 is fine. Eyesight pretty ropey these days so I don't need the new ultra HD. House is also a bit antique!!
Get a magic lantern!
If you are keeping the BV5 can that become the centre of the Masterlink system and just replace the Avant with a stand-alone TV, with or without external B&O speakers? BV11 would still be worth considering, again as a stand-alone solution.
Graham
Puncher:Get a magic lantern! Ban boring signatures!
BeoNut since '75
If a 50" screen is ok then a BV9 may suit?
Good luck, Beoaus.
I hope B&O read this thread.
From Peter's question and his previous enthusiasm and support for B&O, the writing is surely on the wall. B&O are no longer serious contenders for televisions. Maybe they already know it, and we will yet get the motorised sound bar with PUC control for other manufacturers TVs I've promoted here in the past in due course. Otherwise, it looks like top end speakers most cannot afford, and bottom end unreliable but overpriced products,
It's a really difficult choice between OLED and the Magic Lantern though.
Peter: Planning to finally replace my faithful 32" Avant DVD - and will get a 55" flat screen - but which one? The Avant is attached to my BC2 DVD and the house system runs via ML to MCL. I am thinking that the BV7 would be the simplest switch. I don't like the Eclipse and had a BV10 butI didn't like the sound quality. BV11 is possibly better but I will need an amplifier for the feed to upstairs. Thoughts?And where would you source it from?
If it were me I would find the latest BeoSystem 3 I could get and buy whatever TV I like as long as it supports 1080p, HDMI, and RS232 control. Get the BS3 serviced and get the TV set up by a competent video tech who understands B&O and can build the PUC. BS4 plus a converter is better technically, but they made an awful lot of BS3, comparatively.
Beo4 'til I die!
Fidse:B&O not serious contenders for tv’s.... Get a grip guys. Show me just one tv that comes even close to the Eclipse in therms of picture AND sound, and no, i don’t think Loewe is close. Picture wise it’s the same yes, but on the audio side, remote and design (imo, i know) they’re miles behind.
Get a grip guys. Show me just one tv that comes even close to the Eclipse in therms of picture AND sound, and no, i don’t think Loewe is close. Picture wise it’s the same yes, but on the audio side, remote and design (imo, i know) they’re miles behind.
I can't agree Fidse, much as I have always admired B&O design and productivity. Traditionally, I would have said miles, but in recent years it is more metres. The question is, just how many people are willing to pay an additional c£8,000k for a tv with only 2 component differences to the competition; those being the sound (I agree) and the remote (also agree) but as for design, I prefer the Sony A1 at 1/5 of the price. In my opinion, the Eclipse is a very poor offering from B&O.
Have a look at the reception when it was unveiled at release; it didn't cause any reaction or excitement at all, which says a lot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWyJP9rlopc
Evan:Following this thread with a lot of interest. Looking forward to see what you end up with, Peter. Like you, Peter, I'm not trying to keep up with TV tech either and really enjoy the group of BeoVisions that were sold in the years between '04 and '12ish. @Punch: Regarding the BV7-55 topic here... I'm not sure why people care if their TV is bulky or not - especially if it is sitting on the floor and not on the wall or other furniture. I mean sure, you'll need to get a six pack of beer to pay back the friend who helps you move the BV in the first time but once it's in, it's in for years (hopefully!). I was talking to my dealer about this exact subject as we were standing in front of a huge surplus of 7-40 units that people have traded in. He said people specifically noted the size of the back. I just don't get why a stand mounted TV being thin and light is important at all. I think the B7-55 with it's mile-long BeoLab sticking off each side is an incredible set to look at - even when it's off! I'm sure that BL7-6 is also bound to impress as well. Other than the 7-55, the BV9 or a BV4-50 with a BL10 all mounted on a motorized floor stand would be at the top of my list. Are there any other better speakers ever attached to a TV? I don't know of any.
Like you, Peter, I'm not trying to keep up with TV tech either and really enjoy the group of BeoVisions that were sold in the years between '04 and '12ish.
@Punch: Regarding the BV7-55 topic here... I'm not sure why people care if their TV is bulky or not - especially if it is sitting on the floor and not on the wall or other furniture. I mean sure, you'll need to get a six pack of beer to pay back the friend who helps you move the BV in the first time but once it's in, it's in for years (hopefully!). I was talking to my dealer about this exact subject as we were standing in front of a huge surplus of 7-40 units that people have traded in. He said people specifically noted the size of the back. I just don't get why a stand mounted TV being thin and light is important at all.
I think the B7-55 with it's mile-long BeoLab sticking off each side is an incredible set to look at - even when it's off! I'm sure that BL7-6 is also bound to impress as well.
Other than the 7-55, the BV9 or a BV4-50 with a BL10 all mounted on a motorized floor stand would be at the top of my list. Are there any other better speakers ever attached to a TV? I don't know of any.
Each to their own of course, but the "bulk" of the 7-55 isnt just the depth or even the 75Kg, I'd call it "design bulk". I feel the bv7 has dated really badly, the wide dead band around the picture screams "old" to the point that you could very well get a 65" modern panel for the same physical size.
The other TVs you mention are getting a bit long in the tooth too. You pays your money and you takes your chances!
If Peter reads this then the 7-55 does have a rather good Shadow Puppet mode!
Puncher:Each to their own of course, but the "bulk" of the 7-55 isnt just the depth or even the 75Kg, its design bulk. I feel the bv7 has dated really badly, the wide dead band around the picture screams "old" to the point that you could very well get a 65" modern panel for the same physical size. The other TVs you mention are getting a bit long in the tooth too. You pays your money and you takes your chances! If Peter reads this then the 7-55 does have a rather good Shadow Puppet mode! Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: Each to their own of course, but the "bulk" of the 7-55 isnt just the depth or even the 75Kg, its design bulk. I feel the bv7 has dated really badly, the wide dead band around the picture screams "old" to the point that you could very well get a 65" modern panel for the same physical size. The other TVs you mention are getting a bit long in the tooth too. You pays your money and you takes your chances! If Peter reads this then the 7-55 does have a rather good Shadow Puppet mode!
Each to their own of course, but the "bulk" of the 7-55 isnt just the depth or even the 75Kg, its design bulk. I feel the bv7 has dated really badly, the wide dead band around the picture screams "old" to the point that you could very well get a 65" modern panel for the same physical size.
I guess I should have added a little warning regarding my perspective as a very new resident of Europe... There just simply isn't a comparable second hand market in the US for BeoVisions. When I moved to Germany, I walked into what can only be described as an oasis of second hand BeoVisions. So I am a bit skewed when it comes to this topic because I have been dreaming about owning these machines for 10+ years now and think it's crazy that people aren't snapping up these rock solid, innovative and beautiful machines.
As for the scale in the design, I am always amazed at how much presence there is when I encounter one of these things in person. The photos never do them enough justice. Yes the frame is thick in 2018, but I think they still look amazing, not to mention the design engineer inside of me is always impressed with the materials and fit/finish and in love with the hardware. I think the aluminum work on the 4 and 9 is amazing, not to mention the polishing on the 10/11. The real materials, build quality and surface finish are never communicated with a photo.
I guess i would prefer to have a TV with a little bit of sculpture/statement/character to be proud of at all times (on/off etc) than a forgettable black rectangle.
When it comes to the BV9, BV4 and BV7-55, I would practice what I preach but I live on the top floor of an elevator-less apartment building with a winding staircase!
Barry Santini: Puncher: Each to their own of course, but the "bulk" of the 7-55 isnt just the depth or even the 75Kg, its design bulk. I feel the bv7 has dated really badly, the wide dead band around the picture screams "old" to the point that you could very well get a 65" modern panel for the same physical size. The other TVs you mention are getting a bit long in the tooth too. You pays your money and you takes your chances! If Peter reads this then the 7-55 does have a rather good Shadow Puppet mode! Ban boring signatures! Very much disagree! The BV7 is a design ICON!
Puncher: Each to their own of course, but the "bulk" of the 7-55 isnt just the depth or even the 75Kg, its design bulk. I feel the bv7 has dated really badly, the wide dead band around the picture screams "old" to the point that you could very well get a 65" modern panel for the same physical size. The other TVs you mention are getting a bit long in the tooth too. You pays your money and you takes your chances! If Peter reads this then the 7-55 does have a rather good Shadow Puppet mode! Ban boring signatures!
Very much disagree! The BV7 is a design ICON!
So was the MX but I wouldn't buy one today!
Puncher:So was the MX but I wouldn't buy one today!
The first set I inspected in person was an AV9000 in blue. Great condition, fully functional motorstand and curtains. Best part of all, the guy only wanted 75 EUR - BL1000 included! What stopped me? I literally couldn't lift it by myself (even when separated), let alone carry it up 6 flights of stairs. I was heartbroken. Maybe one day!
Evan: Puncher: Each to their own of course, but the "bulk" of the 7-55 isnt just the depth or even the 75Kg, its design bulk. I feel the bv7 has dated really badly, the wide dead band around the picture screams "old" to the point that you could very well get a 65" modern panel for the same physical size. The other TVs you mention are getting a bit long in the tooth too. You pays your money and you takes your chances! If Peter reads this then the 7-55 does have a rather good Shadow Puppet mode! I guess I should have added a little warning regarding my perspective as a very new resident of Europe... There just simply isn't a comparable second hand market in the US for BeoVisions. When I moved to Germany, I walked into what can only be described as an oasis of second hand BeoVisions. So I am a bit skewed when it comes to this topic because I have been dreaming about owning these machines for 10+ years now and think it's crazy that people aren't snapping up these rock solid, innovative and beautiful machines. As for the scale in the design, I am always amazed at how much presence there is when I encounter one of these things in person. The photos never do them enough justice. Yes the frame is thick in 2018, but I think they still look amazing, not to mention the design engineer inside of me is always impressed with the materials and fit/finish and in love with the hardware. I think the aluminum work on the 4 and 9 is amazing, not to mention the polishing on the 10/11. The real materials, build quality and surface finish are never communicated with a photo. I guess i would prefer to have a TV with a little bit of sculpture/statement/character to be proud of at all times (on/off etc) than a forgettable black rectangle. When it comes to the BV9, BV4 and BV7-55, I would practice what I preach but I live on the top floor of an elevator-less apartment building with a winding staircase!
Evan, I completely agree. I could not have said it better myself. Here in the US, I lust over BVs. I hope I can find a good deal on a BV7 or BV10 in the future...
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Having just moved an AV9000, I can completely attest to your statement. Even taking the thing apart still left one with two pieces which weigh a huge amount. The monitor is 46.5 kg and the VCR/control centre a mere 45! I tried moving it without taking it apart first... I thought it must be screwed down!
Tucker:Evan, I completely agree. I could not have said it better myself. Here in the US, I lust over BVs. I hope I can find a good deal on a BV7 or BV10 in the future...
I had no idea how much I would like the BV10 but I am so glad I gave it the chance! The thing is a smooth operator. I waited to find one with a motor stand and I'm glad my dealer could find me one. The unit is 9 years old but my friends think it's from the future!
It is heavier than I expected and I had to help carry it up the stair well of my building but it was worth it
Peter: Having just moved an AV9000, I can completely attest to your statement. Even taking the thing apart still left one with two pieces which weigh a huge amount. The monitor is 46.5 kg and the VCR/control centre a mere 45! I tried moving it without taking it apart first... I thought it must be screwed down!
When I was doing my research, I read those figures on the product page and was certain they were mistakes! I said to myself "there's no way that small tv can weigh so much". To anyone reading this and wondering if it truly is that heavy - believe me, it will destroy your back!
Dear Peter,BeoVisions also with fantastic sound:BV7-55 with BeoLab 7-6, 7-4 or 10BV9BV4 with BeoLab 7-6, 7-4 or 10Have you considered Plasma 50 inch? Than the BV9 or BV4 is worth exploring.All with ML, BeoSystem 3. Later BS3 also support TV mode or audio mode only in that room, that means specific that BeoLabs switched on in the room for audio where you want. Or TV mode specific those BeoLabs on where you watch TV in that room. (changing to the sound stage you like)
Source the BeoVision from the ones who also inslall them.
Regards, Robert
Barry Santini: Very much disagree! The BV7 is a design ICON!
It *was* a design icon. It isn't now. I saw a BV7-55 the other day and it's looking very dated - cumbersome, odd ultra-wide speaker which is much bigger than the TV, surprisingly deep etc etc.
I'd much prefer a BV11-55. That's iconic.