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BeoNut since '75
“I am hoping for something along Robin’s #2 or #3, i.e. without home theatre support (? & Dolby Atmos ?) I don’t see it helping dedicated B&O followers although like BeoPlay it may be a less expensive introducer.
What I fear is the package will be pure B&O advanced tech (e.g. WISA etc) which would drive price up.
Maybe a WISA Systems Module would be a good idea
And similarly if it had either Core innards or a Core Systems Module that would make it attractive and extensible.”
Personally I think that it is even rather interesting to get the older B&O customers back in the track who used to have an avant along with an ouverture or so fiddling around with a set up of lab 6000 and 8000. I guess many of them still have these labs connected to their CD player but have a new flat panel by Samsung or LG. On my search for a solution for my setup I have talked to many dealers from different perspectives and they pretty much all said. Customers would love to keep the loudspeakers but as they were not able to connect them properly to their new tellie it would be a pain in the a..
As it will be a b&o product I guess it’s quite expensive. Hopefully not too much.
Why would you like to have the Beo sound Core parts in it. It’s just a stereo module, isn’t it?
Robin:Why would you like to have the Beo sound Core parts in it. It’s just a stereo module, isn’t it?
Robin:interesting to get the older B&O customers back in the track who used to have an avant along with an ouverture or so fiddling around with a set up of lab 6000 and 8000. I guess many of them still have these labs connected to their CD player but have a new flat panel by Samsung or LG. On my search for a solution for my setup I have talked to many dealers from different perspectives and they pretty much all said. Customers would love to keep the loudspeakers but as they were not able to connect them properly to their new tellie
elephant:I see the Core ad a streamer ... yes of internet stereo sources; and also a joiner to other stereo sourced rooms. Just having a soundbar is not B&O value. A B&O soundbat must be source and a destination for multi-room setups. BeoNut since '75
Barry Santini: elephant: I see the Core ad a streamer ... yes of internet stereo sources; and also a joiner to other stereo sourced rooms. Just having a soundbar is not B&O value. A B&O soundbat must be source and a destination for multi-room setups. BeoNut since '75 Disagree. B&O soundbar frees sound and control from recent poor video decisions by mama.
elephant: I see the Core ad a streamer ... yes of internet stereo sources; and also a joiner to other stereo sourced rooms. Just having a soundbar is not B&O value. A B&O soundbat must be source and a destination for multi-room setups. BeoNut since '75
I see the Core ad a streamer ... yes of internet stereo sources; and also a joiner to other stereo sourced rooms.
Just having a soundbar is not B&O value.
A B&O soundbat must be source and a destination for multi-room setups. BeoNut since '75
Disagree. B&O soundbar frees sound and control from recent poor video decisions by mama.
Agree completely, plus would expand the potential market to a lot of us who don't think the Beovisions are worth it and/or like to change panels to keep up with new tech often. But, I hate to say it, given B&Os problems of late, I'm not sure I would trust a product like this from them and buy it, even though it would allow me to merge my systems, audio and video, and if it were rationally priced.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff: Barry Santini: elephant: I see the Core ad a streamer ... yes of internet stereo sources; and also a joiner to other stereo sourced rooms. Just having a soundbar is not B&O value. A B&O soundbat must be source and a destination for multi-room setups. BeoNut since '75 Disagree. B&O soundbar frees sound and control from recent poor video decisions by mama. Agree completely, plus would expand the potential market to a lot of us who don't think the Beovisions are worth it and/or like to change panels to keep up with new tech often. But, I hate to say it, given B&Os problems of late, I'm not sure I would trust a product like this from them and buy it, even though it would allow me to merge my systems, audio and video, and if it were rationally priced.
Can't recall just how many years ago I raised this.. A motorised soundbar on a stand with the PUC control in the soundbar for the screen of your choice mounted above. VESA mount for the panel. Should be a no brainer for B&O, but are they listening to posters on Beoworld?
Graham
I think the new soundbar they will release in spring 2019 will be more a "lower end" solution similar to the Beosound 3500 but with HDMI, hopefully not more expensive than 2.900 euro.
The best and high-end solution would of course be a combination of the Eclipse Soundcenter, a motorized stand with VESA and a BeoRemote One. If B&O would bring this to market at let's say around 5.900 Euro, I am sure they will sell this 3-4 times better than the Eclipse TV. Even if it would cannibalize a bit the Eclipse TV sales, the overall revenue and margin would certainly be better for B&O. Perhaps they will finally change their mind and bring such a product to the market. They claim to concentrate on audio in the future, so this would be a product to prove that they are following this strategy ...
Pricewise by adding standard LG panels to this combination, a 55 inch solution would cost 7.325 Euro (LG 55C8LLA 1425.-+5900.-), a 65 inch solution would cost 8.020 euro (LG 65C8LLA 2120.- +5900.-) and the 77 inch model would cost 11.700 Euro (LG 77C8LLA 4800.-+5900.- plus 1000 Euro add-on cost for the bigger motorized stand for the 77 inch model).
These prices would be very attractive and B&O would be much more competitive in the market by doing this.
I mean who is still willing to pay 20.000 Euro for a B&O 77 inch TV if the LG panel costs now 4800.- ?? But that would be the price if they would launch a 77 inch Eclipse TV, considering that the 65' Eclipse costs 14.250 Euro
vikinger: Jeff: Barry Santini: elephant: I see the Core ad a streamer ... yes of internet stereo sources; and also a joiner to other stereo sourced rooms. Just having a soundbar is not B&O value. A B&O soundbat must be source and a destination for multi-room setups. BeoNut since '75 Disagree. B&O soundbar frees sound and control from recent poor video decisions by mama. Agree completely, plus would expand the potential market to a lot of us who don't think the Beovisions are worth it and/or like to change panels to keep up with new tech often. But, I hate to say it, given B&Os problems of late, I'm not sure I would trust a product like this from them and buy it, even though it would allow me to merge my systems, audio and video, and if it were rationally priced. Can't recall just how many years ago I raised this.. A motorised soundbar on a stand with the PUC control in the soundbar for the screen of your choice mounted above. VESA mount for the panel. Should be a no brainer for B&O, but are they listening to posters on Beoworld? Graham
Stick to what you're good at and good things come.
Several days ago we purchased a new B**** washing machine. I asked the installer about the best brands he sees in his day-to-day experience. He told me that most of them were good, but to never buy an L* or S****** because the electronics boards were fiddly and very expensive to replace. Assuming he was being truthful, wouldn't people like us be very surprised that electronics companies making machines would end up failing at what they supposedly do best?
I also wonder how you can create the ultimate forward AND backward integrating B&O system. It will have to strip the audio from digital sources AND sync with analog coming from an integrated MCL/ML/NL converter and have lots of places to stick different plugs. It will need programmable control points to accept commands in other rooms. This product still must be able to communicate to other integrated systems, like Control 4 and, forget I mentioned it.
The problems with the future-proof B&O solution is that no one company can be great at everything. Phllips and B&W are making a premium but SIMPLE 2 or 3 channel A/V product with Philips responsible for the outcome. Meridian is now with LG. Loewe controlled by Hisense. B&O went the other direction and, in the interested public's eye, will be out of the video business when the contracts with LG are fulfilled. Why? I think it is because B&O are incapable of making, selling, distributing, and supporting the production of enough A/V products to be profitable. So if B&O want to be in that business, they would now have to be the B&W to the Philips in any given partnership. How likely is that, given their pride history?
The same will be true for the dream BeoSystem 7++. You absolutely cannot put a cassette player into a 2019 Ford/B&O Play/Sync product. You also cannot make a Past & Future BeoCenter that will look like B&O for a price that’s affordable by anyone who actually looks at his accounts. You have to be absolute masters of tech to manage process sync across platforms not to mention wirelessly. Linn’s extreme version that clicks only half the feature boxes costs 7k euros. B&O got out of the engineering and manufacturing businesses, and what appears left is spec, design, accounting, legal, and marketing; much of it outsourced. Never say never, but...
That's great if the shareholders are pleased. And it would be great to be totally off center with this, but not feeling it.
given their pride history?
I think the proper word is arrogance.
DesignFreak: I think the new soundbar they will release in spring 2019 will be more a "lower end"......not more expensive than 2.900 euro.
I think the new soundbar they will release in spring 2019 will be more a "lower end"......not more expensive than 2.900 euro.
I'm not sure "lower end" and EUR 2900 go together. That's more than most people spend on a TV. Most people I know think EUR 1000 is a lot of money to spend on TV, never mind an expensive sound bar.
But won't / don't new TV's have plenty of audio sources as part of their smart platforms?
I can see the logic of a sound-bar / sound-centre, whatever - though it's unlikely to please everyone.
1. How broad will its audio capability ? Music wise, i'm sure it will be fine with respect to formats it can decode. Movie wise, are B&O ready to offer Atmos, let alone DTS. How will people respond if it lacks Atmos?
2.Many want a Beoremote control - i.e comprehensive control of multiple sources. Given that B&O is following broader trends towards app / choice based UI's, i'm not confident that a regular BR will be part of the product.
3.PUC control - i remain sceptical that PUC control will be included. As a consequence of how control interfaces are changing, IR blasters are becoming old tech. PUC may be marginally better than HDMI-CEC, but i'm convinced that it will be a victim and not part of a future sound-bar. (Yes, i know, many find this heretical, and i'd love to be wrong).
I would imagine that the sound-bar would / should be Alexa or GA capable - that opens up a range of control scenarios, and underlines why things like PUC, Beoremotes (as currently constituted) and support for very old architecture will fall by the side.
Anyway, in a world without new BV's, it still makes sense to make a B&O sound-bar *** beosystem.
I'm just not confident that at its core (and paired with a 3rd party screen) the current style BR will be the one remote to rule them all. At a minimum, PUC will not be part of it.
@Sandyb
In that case - wouldn’t the (BeoPlay) Connectionhub and a 7-2 (or -6) do the job?
For simple 2 channel sound the Toslink connection will be enough, no HDMI-ARC needed there.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Not sure, don quite think so.
Not quite sure what you are referring to - but look at the current higher end soundbars, and the Eclipse sound centre.
Isn't the proposition more or less that they split out the Eclipse sound centre for sale and use with 3rd part screens?
That's not a ridiculous proposition by any means, especially if updated with voice control capabilities. Will likely have Airplay 2 and Chromecast too, and WISA too.
My point more broadly was regarding control - Beoremotes were included as part of a (BV) TV product. I'm not sure that the broken out and separately sold Elcipse type sound centre, being primarily an audio product will probably not come with the Beoremote as currently constituted, in which case PUC will be missing.
I'd assume that it would have 4 HDMI connections, and thus video sources route through it to the TV - but it could be the case that it has fewer, and that video sources need to connect to the 3rd party screen, and there is a single ARC channel back to the audio bar. I doubt they'd go down that route, but if they do then its even more unlikely that existing style BR's (and hence PUC) will be well integrated.
In the end, if they are making a new modern product, then new modern control UI's / interfaces will likely be part of it, and some of the older features will fall away.
Your post started with:
‘But won't / don't new TV's have plenty of audio sources as part of their smart platforms?’
Given that you mean that all sources we need already are in the modern tv (or could be connected there), there should be no need for anything else than a (B&O quality) speaker/soundbar underneath. They mostly have the video sources also.
However, if you think that there must be options for connecting other (external) BeoLabs, you will need a sound processor of the ‘Sound Center kind’.....
.....not just a hub.
Okay, you could control that via an app, but e.g. changing of volume,Speaker Groups....is much easier with a physical remote.
I’d say - if soundbar from B&O, there are two options:
1: a simple speakerbar with HDMI/ARC or even Toslink.
2: a full monty Sound Center soundbar with, HDMI/ARC, sound processing (TrueImage), PL/WiSA, HDMI-ins with PUC and NL capacity and BeoRemote Control and the app.
(That won’t come cheap, though).
Maybe we will see both options ;-)
Yes, my point / response about audio sources was to someone suggesting the Soundbar needs to have Deezer etc built in - for reasons mentioned above, not sure that will be the case.
And yes, agreed i'm assuming it will allow connection of other BeoLabs and hence need audio processing onboard. That's not unusual for decent soudnbars and as such a safe assumption. So more akin to your option 2.
It's the PUC / Beoremote capability i have doubts over. Yes i know, many would like both.
They may be part of the specification, but as stated before and for the reasons mentioned previously, i think it's unlikely, especially when it comes to PUC.
That could be a source of disappointment for some. If it is only channel based audio and not the newer object based audio, then that could be another disappointment for some.
But even if it option 2 - a full monty minus a current Beoremote / PUC, thats still potentially a worthwhile product.
A powerful soundbar with these features - HDMI / ARC, 4 HDMI ports for full 4K/HDR pass through, Network Linked, Chromecast / Airplay, TrueImage sound processing.
I'd love it for a current style Beoremote to provide full control of everything (as now) with this soundbar in combination with a 3rd party screen.
I would just get my head around the idea that PUC won't be there, and perhaps any physical remote will be more limited that the current BR too.
Losing PUC isn't the end of the world anyway - its already not a full replication of a, for example, Sky box remote.
And yes of course, what is effectively a Beosystem equipped sound bar (with voice control possibly added too) will not be cheap.
But i don't think anyone is seriously expecting such a product to be around 2k, more like 4k.
I'd consider getting one and pairing with a wallpaper LG.
Would need to be able to feed it from my matrix though.
Otherwise, current setup with BV12 and Avant 55 is more than good enough for a while yet.
I don't quite care enough about HDR yet to rejig much of my setup.
Sandyb: Losing PUC isn't the end of the world anyway - its already not a full replication of a, for example, Sky box remote.
Aha —— that is the Sky box Syndrome. Must be some sort of english disease!
When I think of how my sons Philips Bluray player works with his Philips tv...using CEC, I am more than happy with using PUC for (almost) anything.
I am pretty sure my wife, who is used to a flawless control of our Oppo and the ATV, would give up, when she had to use CEC controlling....
....which works and sometimes don’t - and when it does, it is relatively slow.
Millemissen: our Oppo and the ATV,
our Oppo and the ATV,
Well, there's something else we have in common MM. And I enjoy both of them, they just work. The only thing I didn't like about my ATV was remedied quite a while ago when Apple finally added an Amazon Prime Video app to the ATV.
Jeff:Well, there's something else we have in common MM. And I enjoy both of them, they just work. The only thing I didn't like about my ATV was remedied quite a while ago when Apple finally added an Amazon Prime Video app to the ATV. Jeff Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!
Duels: Stop agreeing with each other. It’s just not natural.
Stop agreeing with each other. It’s just not natural.
Ha!
The LG Bluray olayer, that I had before on my main tv, is now on my V1 - works perfect there as before.....with PUC.
You don’t happen to have an LG player too, do you ;-))))
By the way, the LG player is one of those, that did not even have apps built in (maybe YouTube - I don’t remember).
Never missed any of that stuff on a Bluray player.
No, no LG BR player! We're back to our usual normal!
I did have a Sony DVD only downstairs with a Samsung LCD 32 inch TV but am getting rid of both, as I never used them. Going to a good home at a friends. I have no TV in bedrooms or such, when it's time to watch TV it's time to watch TV, so we go into the living room and watch the 65 inch Panasonic plasma. If I ever do need/want to watch TV elsewhere I use my A3, since I don't have cable or an antenna, everything I watch is streaming other than the occasional disc.
BTW, it pains me that Oppo is no longer making players. I understand the rationale, but it seems sad to see the company that arguably made the best optical video disc players abandon the format.
Jeff: ...I have no TV in bedrooms or such, when it's time to watch TV it's time to watch TV, so we go into the living room and watch....... If I ever do need/want to watch TV elsewhere I use my A3,
...I have no TV in bedrooms or such, when it's time to watch TV it's time to watch TV, so we go into the living room and watch....... If I ever do need/want to watch TV elsewhere I use my A3,
So do we/I.
I have an A3 too - mostly used for Radio/TuneIn.
Seems that we have more in common, that you might think.
I am actually eager to see what cones next from the guys in Struer.
Well, let’s not talk about the newer B&O stuff....not right now ;-)
Jeff:No, no LG BR player! We're back to our usual normal! I did have a Sony DVD only downstairs with a Samsung LCD 32 inch TV but am getting rid of both, as I never used them. Going to a good home at a friends. I have no TV in bedrooms or such, when it's time to watch TV it's time to watch TV, so we go into the living room and watch the 65 inch Panasonic plasma. If I ever do need/want to watch TV elsewhere I use my A3, since I don't have cable or an antenna, everything I watch is streaming other than the occasional disc. BTW, it pains me that Oppo is no longer making players. I understand the rationale, but it seems sad to see the company that arguably made the best optical video disc players abandon the format. Jeff Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!
Sandyb:Yes, my point / response about audio sources was to someone suggesting the Soundbar needs to have Deezer etc built in - for reasons mentioned above, not sure that will be the case.
Aussie Michael:I suppose (sadly) pioneer did the same too. I never purchased an Oppo but I did want to though. Quite disappointed to see it go.
Not sure i understand.
You are listening to some music on your Apple TV (connected to a BV), right? And you can add other rooms using Airplay 2 or Network Link "Join".
With a sound centre / bar, why wouldn't it work exactly the same? The Apple TV would be connected to either the sound centre directly, or the to the TV and the audio would travel via ARC to the sound centre.
The sound centre would be Network Link and Airplay 2 capable, so not sure what the issue is.
A ‘soundbar’ with inbuild sources (Deezer, TuneIn.....) will be much easier to handle, when you just want to listen to music - in that room or elsewhere on the NL-network - than the SmartTV is.
If you have to use the built-in apps there, you will have to activate the tv first. And to distribute the sound - B&O-wise - you would often have to use the Bang & Olufsen app anyway.
Using the UI of the Bang & Olufsen app seems to me much easier (and more elegant) than to use the UI of the tv to get to an app there.
Sure you can use the Deezer app or TuneIn on e.g. a BV14 - but I bet that those, who have an Essence/Core connected to or integrated with the 14 will solely use that via the Bang & Olufsen app.
How does an Eclipse owner use Deezer or TuneIn? Will he use the Sound Center/the Bang & Olufsen app/the BeoRemote One or will he use the apps on the tv navigating with the remote? Just a question!
Sandyb:Not sure i understand. You are listening to some music on your Apple TV (connected to a BV), right? And you can add other rooms using Airplay 2 or Network Link "Join". With a sound centre / bar, why wouldn't it work exactly the same? The Apple TV would be connected to either the sound centre directly, or the to the TV and the audio would travel via ARC to the sound centre. The sound centre would be Network Link and Airplay 2 capable, so not sure what the issue is.
Millemissen:A ‘soundbar’ with inbuild sources (Deezer, TuneIn.....) will be much easier to handle, when you just want to listen to music - in that room or elsewhere on the NL-network - than the SmartTV is. If you have to use the built-in apps there, you will have to activate the tv first. And to distribute the sound - B&O-wise - you would often have to use the Bang & Olufsen app anyway. Using the UI of the Bang & Olufsen app seems to me much easier (and more elegant) than to use the UI of the tv to get to an app there. Sure you can use the Deezer app or TuneIn on e.g. a BV14 - but I bet that those, who have an Essence/Core connected to or integrated with the 14 will solely use that via the Bang & Olufsen app. How does an Eclipse owner use Deezer or TuneIn? Will he use the Sound Center/the Bang & Olufsen app/the BeoRemote One or will he use the apps on the tv navigating with the remote? Just a question! MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Agreed, inbuilt Deezer and TuneIn, and maybe NAS music, would be nice.
I just suspect they won't include them. The thinking will be that "what's the point of adding a few such sources, when users will have many sources, including these, that will be covered elsewhere" and that "other B&O systems (BS1, 2 etc) can be used to start those experiences, and expanded to include the sound centre".
Indeed, and i hopefully never articulated that it wouldn't be NL.
Please don't confuse some of the things i think won't be included, with what i would like to be included.
I'd love it to be very fully featured, with a fancy remote meaning i can put all others in a drawer etc etc.
But there will be compromises as ever, and evolutions too.
All i am suggesting is some caution with respect to certain expectations - be that Atmos vs just multi channel audio, PUC vs HDMI CEC, and a current style BR vs something more modest w.r.to physical remotes + a shift to voice / app control.
Sandyb: Agreed, inbuilt Deezer and TuneIn, and maybe NAS music, would be nice. I just suspect they won't include them. The thinking will be that "what's the point of adding a few such sources, when users will have many sources, including these, that will be covered elsewhere" and that "other B&O systems (BS1, 2 etc) can be used to start those experiences, and expanded to include the sound centre".
As long as it ( = both of ‘my’ assumed versions) would be NL-enabled, you can still integrate a BS Core with it.
Perhaps the better solution.....although that would add to the cost, which is cons.
Pros = he who want to rely on an ATV (and AirPlay) connected to the t/the soundbarv, will save costs.
Aussie Michael:I suppose (sadly) pioneer did the same too. I never purchased an Oppo but I did want to though. Quite disappointed to see it go. Jeff: No, no LG BR player! We're back to our usual normal! I did have a Sony DVD only downstairs with a Samsung LCD 32 inch TV but am getting rid of both, as I never used them. Going to a good home at a friends. I have no TV in bedrooms or such, when it's time to watch TV it's time to watch TV, so we go into the living room and watch the 65 inch Panasonic plasma. If I ever do need/want to watch TV elsewhere I use my A3, since I don't have cable or an antenna, everything I watch is streaming other than the occasional disc. BTW, it pains me that Oppo is no longer making players. I understand the rationale, but it seems sad to see the company that arguably made the best optical video disc players abandon the format. Jeff Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!
I never purchased an Oppo but I did want to though. Quite disappointed to see it go.
Jeff: No, no LG BR player! We're back to our usual normal! I did have a Sony DVD only downstairs with a Samsung LCD 32 inch TV but am getting rid of both, as I never used them. Going to a good home at a friends. I have no TV in bedrooms or such, when it's time to watch TV it's time to watch TV, so we go into the living room and watch the 65 inch Panasonic plasma. If I ever do need/want to watch TV elsewhere I use my A3, since I don't have cable or an antenna, everything I watch is streaming other than the occasional disc. BTW, it pains me that Oppo is no longer making players. I understand the rationale, but it seems sad to see the company that arguably made the best optical video disc players abandon the format. Jeff Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!
Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!
Oppo is great player.Recently,I found one of the last new OPPO UDP 203 on ebay,relatively good price, 740€ plus 35€ postage.And I like hdmi-audio out only,plugged into Beosystem3.Mains hdmi out goes into tv.Also,Chromecast Ultra plugged into Oppo hdmi input.Fantastic video & audio...
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All true OldJack, plus my Oppo has a video input on it so that you can run another source through it and use the Oppos outstanding video processing to clean up and improve it before sending it on to the TV/panel. The only two video sources I now have are the Apple TV and the Oppo so that doesn't buy me anything but if you use a cable box or such it would be a big benefit.
Jeff: All true OldJack, plus my Oppo has a video input on it so that you can run another source through it and use the Oppos outstanding video processing to clean up and improve it before sending it on to the TV/panel. The only two video sources I now have are the Apple TV and the Oppo so that doesn't buy me anything but if you use a cable box or such it would be a big benefit.
Also, if you have a bunch of BeoLabs needing a home, you have up to 7.1 multi-channel line output. And Oppo says it will keep international support for their products. Nice.
I am sure, that Steve will be happy to sell the needed adapter cables for that.
And....happy controlling with the Oppo remote and what you also will need for controlling a connected device there ;-))
Ok... Thanks for the Oppo marketing stuff, but I don't need a new source.
Now back to B&O stuff : they have 2 possible ways to launch a soundbar: either a fully technologically packed one with NL/4HDMIs/5-8PL outputs/Core/PUC+Beoremote compatibility (see an eclipse without the screen), with even a VESA mount for a TV... Or a minimalist one with only one HDMI (and maybe Core, because it's still B&O), like a Sonos Beam... I'm really hoping they go with the first option but we'll see...
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poodleboy: Jeff: All true OldJack, plus my Oppo has a video input on it so that you can run another source through it and use the Oppos outstanding video processing to clean up and improve it before sending it on to the TV/panel. The only two video sources I now have are the Apple TV and the Oppo so that doesn't buy me anything but if you use a cable box or such it would be a big benefit. Also, if you have a bunch of BeoLabs needing a home, you have up to 7.1 multi-channel line output. And Oppo says it will keep international support for their products. Nice.
@Jeff
Oppo UDP-203 also has video input(hdmi in).I am using it with Chromecast Ultra,Audio sent to Bsys3 via hdmi-audio output.I also tried output from my cable box(full hd) to plug into Oppo,and it does video processing to 4kx2k.Now I am looking for good qualty hdmi splitter,to plug both into Oppo,for video processing.Audio will be sent to Bsys3..All smart apps I need (deezer,youtube...)are with the Chromecast Ultra.
@poodleboy
Yes,right.My Beolabs are powerlinked into Bsys3.Thinking about get rid off Bsys3 .But,then I'll miss electronic curtains,Beo4 etc.
But,possibility to drive Beolabs by Oppo pre-outs is still there.
Now,we are well off topic,but if B&O only could make something like this ....