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Horizon as stand-alone music system

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PK Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018 6:37 AM

Hi!

Is it possible to use the Horizon as a stand alone music system and control it from the beoapp? I've tried with mine but the app says that it not supported.

it would be lovely to be able to play music direct from the app to the TV without having to route it through my Beosound 1... 

 

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1990 replied on Sat, Oct 27 2018 8:43 AM

For BeoSystem 4-televisions you can achieve this by integrating an Essence or Core. I guess it is the same for the Android-based televisions.

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1990 replied on Sat, Oct 27 2018 8:43 AM

For BeoSystem 4-televisions you can achieve this by integrating an Essence or Core. I guess it is the same for the Android-based televisions.

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1990 replied on Sat, Oct 27 2018 8:43 AM

For BeoSystem 4-televisions you can achieve this by integrating an Essence or Core. I guess it is the same for the Android-based televisions.

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PK:

Is it possible to use the Horizon as a stand alone music system and control it from the beoapp? I've tried with mine but the app says that it not supported.

You mean the Bang & Olufsen app, right?

In the app you should be able to see the Horizon.

I am not sure how the sources of it are shown there

When that is highlighted, you should be able to see the sources of it in the now playing view by tapping the three small dots.

If not - it would be nice, if someone with a Horizon (or another Video Engine 3.0 based BV) could comment and post a screenshot - I don’t have any BV from that generation.

However, don’t expect the same user experience that you probably know from controlling your BS1 with the Bang & Olufsen app.

 

Note: when you have the BS1 connected to your Horizon you should be able to see some of its sources in the list of the tv/remote = those with an added link symbol.

Or don’t you want to involve the BS1 at all?

 

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PK replied on Sun, Oct 28 2018 7:28 AM

I don't want to involve BS1 at all :) 

I can't wake the TV up from the B&O app and i can't play music directly to the TV from the app without routing it through an essence or BS1. So every time I want to play music in my living room I have to start playing in my kitchen and then join whats playing in the kitchen with the TV in the living room.

 

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Hi PK,

Do you have homemedia as a source on your TV? If you do, and if you have your own music on a NAS, then you could point your TV at the NAS and directly access music that way.

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PK:

 So every time I want to play music in my living room 

When you say ‘play music’, what do you exactly mean?

Do you mean from the built-in/installed apps or from the other NL device without activating it - means that the sound there is muted aka ‘borrow a source’?

What is ‘music’? Is it from an external source e.g. Spotify/Deezer, something that is stored on your mobile device or from a NAS in the network - or maybe radio-music?

In the (Bang & Olufsen) app - which devices appear there?

Silly, but important question: is the Horizon on the same (wifi)network as the other device/s?

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elephant replied on Sun, Oct 28 2018 7:14 PM
In addition to MM’s question (and this goes to the heart of “are you a streamer” or do you have existing media and your own local digital library, have you looked at attaching to your BV a ChromeCast and/or Apple TV for music (or any of the other cheaper dongle devices).

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PK replied on Sun, Oct 28 2018 9:54 PM

Hi!

I mean stream from Deezer. I want to be able to use the Horizon exactly as i use the BS1. 

I do not wish to use the Deexer app in the TV as it is not good. I also prefer the iPhone as controller, easier to search among other things. 

No NAS, only streaming through NL.

In the B&O app the following papers: BS1, Horizon, Essence. 

They are in the same wifi network. It is no problem joining another source (BS1 or Essence) and play the same thing on the TV but I can't play it directly on the TV

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elephant replied on Mon, Oct 29 2018 12:41 AM
You could look at a “dongle” for the Horizon (like an Apple TV) even though it’s indirect play.

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Hi guys, let me chime in a bit to advise my findings

I have a Avant Gen 1, a BV 14 (android), a A9, A6, Essence Mk2, and a BS1.

I see all of these products on the B&O app, so naturally i thought that i would be able to do everything with them, and that is not the case

When i set up the BV14, the Deezer app would not work in my country for some unknown reason so i deleted the app and re downloaded one through the Google store.  odd, but it's B&O so nothing surprises me now.

I took all of these screen shots and photos of the BV14 and then i re-read your question.  It is not about the joining of sources, it's about using the Horizon (in my case BV14) as a stand alone music player.

You can use it as a stand alone music player with your BeoRemote One, but you cannot use it with the app as a music centre. 

I just tried on the BV14, i had music playing on the BS1 and i clicked join on the BR one = success

On the BV14 i also tried the app, with the BS1 playing and then "touch to join" on the app via the products menu = success 

i put all products in stand by

i then pressed BV14 on the app (products menu), it says "waking up" - it did not wake up = fail 

In the Beo app (music menu) and played on the BS1 i clicked the ... to expand to the BV14 - the 14 is not available in the ... menu but it is in the (products menu)

I went out of that, selected the 14 and then tried deezer and the message states "the selected product does not support playing deezer content" = is that because i deleted the deezer app or because it doesn't support it?

Findings:

- you can play Deezer on the BV14 via the BROne or other BV14 connected sources 

- you can stream from other NL products to the 14

- you can select any source from other NL products on the app (eg from the a9, BS1 etc) and that will play on the 14

- you cannot select the 14 from the app and play to it 

 

Hope this helps.  

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Available in products

Not available in the ellipsis ... menu

Deezer playing through the deezer app via the beoremote one and the android OS

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PK replied on Mon, Oct 29 2018 7:55 AM

Assie Michael; We seem to have reached the same limitations. I'm able to do all the stuff you can do, and all that works just fine. I just wished i could do it all with the app. 

Thanks anyways for all your replies guys, really appreciate it! I will (some day) speak to my dealer and see if they have a fix for this or if they know if B&O is working on it.

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PK i thought because that the app shows the BV14 that I will be able to do it, but i couldn't 

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Thanks Michael for your chiming in!

What if you have e.g. the A9 connected to the Horizon (see pic below)?

in that case you should have the sources (some of them) as linked sources on the tv and available in the app.

I can not test that here, because my tv’s are V E1.0-based (Avant2014/V1) and I don’t use Deezer anyway.

When I play TuneIn from my (connected) Essence activated theough the tv, the stream starts there and the Essence is muted.

Ok - that will not solve the problem of PK, if he is not at all willing to engage his other NL product.

But it should work, when the BS1 is not needed in the house for anything else at the same time.

Could you maybe test that for the Horizon?

 

Only solution - if the BS1 must be keept out - is to have an Essence (2nd gen) or a Core set up as an integrated part of the Horizon.

This way the app surely will work.

 

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Here is a picture, that shows how the (linked) sources of my connected Essence appear in the list in the app.

 

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elephant replied on Mon, Oct 29 2018 7:11 PM
@MM what is BeoCast in the sources list ?

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😉 That is simply the nickname for the ChromeCast Audio dongle connected to the coax digital inut port on the V1.

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Millemissen:

😉 That is simply the nickname for the ChromeCast Audio dongle connected to the coax digital inut port on the V1.

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Ha Ha you got me

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‘Music’ plays on my tv - what more could you want........activated from the app!

 

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I suspect I could connect my essence which is not used and connect that as a source on the 14 and that could work with the app.

I think that’s the same scenario you were mentioning with the A9 MM?
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Yes - but please notice that there are two ways of doing so:

1: connected

2: integrated

The first one is, when you have speakers with the product.

The second one is, when it uses the speakers of the tv only.

P.S. If you have the Essence unused now, I’d advice you to use it integrated with the BV.

You can hide it away somewhere - as long as it is on the same network....preferably wired.

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it's already on the network, i'll switch it on and integrate it with the BV14.

I might as well move it in the same room as the TV, and i can always run it with wires as i have a full complement of wires in the wall for this set up 

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Don’t mean to hijack your thread PK but I believe that these findings also help you and are similar to what you may find

So I turned on my essence and set on the essence as Beovision 14

On the BV 14 I chose essence

The essence is in lounge room (at the mo) and the 14 is in the bedroom

However I can’t play something on the essence and it automatically plays on the 14 from the app which I was hoping

I have to use the app and play something on the essence and then add the 14 in a multi room setup

Interestingly when the 14 was off (standby) I couldn’t see it in the essence settings as an available source but could see all of the others.

I turned on the 14 then I could see it as an available source.

Have to think how I can play something on the essence and it starts up the 14 automatically and starts playing using the TV speakers.

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Latest findings is that I just use the iPhone app Deezer and can cast to the 14

So therefore you use your app (but not b&o)

More findings to come

Volume up and down on your iPhone shows as per the picture above

The TV screen shows

And you can use the BROne to skip tracks
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I just realised I had Wake on WLAN off on the 14

As I turned off the wireless as I have it plugged into the same network via Ethernet.

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Ok I think I got it to work with the app

Now I have wake on lan on and wireless off

In the app I tapped the 14 and it said it couldn’t be reached then the 14 indicator said yes and went green

And I could select the essence as the source.

However deezer is not an available source like it is in the Avant

H

One more test to do later is that if I play something on my iPhone on the app can I add the 14 as a speaker and that’s what I think PK was trying to do

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“One more test to do later is that if I play something on my iPhone on the app can I add the 14 as a speaker and that’s what I think PK was trying to do”

Which you cannot do. You need to select a product first then a source.

When the app first came out you could play then add a source but it changed to the other way around.

So my findings is that:

- you can select the 14 from the app

- you cannot play deezer from the app on the 14

- you can select an integrated source

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Aussie Michael:
Don’t mean to hijack your thread PK but I believe that these findings also help you and are similar to what you may find

 

However I can’t play something on the essence and it automatically plays on the 14 from the app which I was hoping

I have to use the app and play something on the essence and then add the 14 in a multi room setup

Have to think how I can play something on the essence and it starts up the 14 automatically and starts playing using the TV speakers.

Been trying to tell you that the option ‘integrated setup’.....check that box 🤪

is intended for a setup, where e.g. the Essence uses the speakers of the BV.

You’ll see, that it then will turn on the BV, when you play TuneIn, Deezer...

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PK replied on Tue, Oct 30 2018 9:11 PM

i think an integrated essence/core would solve the problem just like you showed Millemissen. But it is a rather expensive solution... The multiroom solution works pretty well so i don't think it's worth while buying an additional essence/core. But a second hand Moment might just be :) I have seen these on the second hand marked for half the stickerprice. 

Aussie Michael; go ahead, hijack my thread Smile I believe a lot of good solutions are coming from this! btw, nice BV14! love the fret on those! 

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Millemissen:

Been trying to tell you that the option ‘integrated setup’.....check that box 🤪

is intended for a setup, where e.g. the Essence uses the speakers of the BV.

You’ll see, that it then will turn on the BV, when you play TuneIn, Deezer...

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I just hope it doesn’t intergrate it with everything else and just the 14
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beoaus replied on Wed, Oct 31 2018 4:52 AM

PK:

Hi!

Is it possible to use the Horizon as a stand alone music system and control it from the beoapp? I've tried with mine but the app says that it not supported.

it would be lovely to be able to play music direct from the app to the TV without having to route it through my Beosound 1... 

 

Best regards

 

Hello PK,

I am on the Horizon beta program and just saw your post.

The app should work as you describe. Unfortunately music can not be added to the play queue, though you can control other functions like changing channels, volumes and some others. Plus there are other options to play music as posters have mentioned.

I have a fault in on being unable to play music via the app. I believe the Horizon was supposed to have this capability. They could not understand why it was not working.  Though it does seem B&O have backed away from this view now. The Horizon has been dropped out of the online documentation. So we will see.

B&O have a list of Horizon fixes they are working on. As to what is on the list and the prioritisation I do not know.

Thanks beoaus.

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Hi beoaus

I agree with what you write.

Even the website Page of the horizon sort of mentions this. It does mention you can send music to the horizon (as a cast device) which we know you can do

Tonight after Thai food and a non alcoholic beer 🍻 (serious lol) I pressed the integrate button on the essence through the setup on the essence.

So now it works that I select the 14 and it plays via the app (using the essence as its source)

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Now - didn’t I tell you 😉

I just don’t have a BV14 (or Horizon) to demonstrate it - and take pictures.

Thanks for testing 👍

Your Essence now has gotten a new life!

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In my setup if I have an ir-eye connected to the essence if I press the join button on the IR-eye shouldn’t that fire up the BV14 when I already have music playing on my A9 and BS1?

I would have thought it would
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No, the Essence will only fire up the BV14, when it is integrated with it - which means that it basicly is controlled via the BV14.

It is kind of part of the BV14 in that case.

Pushing Join on the BV14 = the BeoRemote will do the trick then.

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As an integrated part it should not have an ir eye connected - and you can tuck it away somewhere......as long as it is on the same network as the other devices.

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Wolf_70 replied on Sat, Nov 3 2018 1:44 PM

I have nearly the same setup (BV14, integrated Core). Somtimes there is a small „leap“ at the beginning of a new song (after 10-45 sec). It occurs when listening to Deezer or a DLNA Server.

The Core and the BV14 are connected via LAN, so I don‘t think it is a network problem!?

Any help or advice would be great!

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Hi,

The answer to your questions is yes and no (I know confusing right)

Yes, you can use the Horizon as a stand-alone music system however it may not be in the way you're thinking.

The Horizon should have GoogleCast enabled as standard and you should be able to cast straight from your mobile device to the television. This should prompt the Deezer app to launch on your Horizon and basic controls enabled from your mobile device.

To go into more detail - start by launching the Deezer app or whichever app you'd like to cast from and it should either show you the Casting symbol or say devices available - Select the Horizon and it should launch it and allow you to control directly through your app.

What I have not tested is whether you can "wake" the Horizon from "standby" via GoogleCast - I shall let you know my findings once I have tested!

I hope no-one else covered this on this thread as I haven't read through it all in detail. If someone has please ignore!

Thanks

Vish

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