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Agree, Emil - but the Harmony is a stand and sound solution only compatible with the C9 panel from LG. Same goes for the new sound bar.
Roger
Roger: . Same goes for the new sound bar. Roger
. Same goes for the new sound bar.
Oh, well - and when will we be introduced to that 😉
MM
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BEOVOX141: Millemissen:B&O would have had to engage in the whole tuner business again - unless the have been able to integrate ‘the C9-tuner option’ into the sound/stand-center. No, today the tuner is pretty much a SOC, making it entirely a software exercise, Or you simply buy an OEM module at around 15 us$ in quantities. .
Millemissen:B&O would have had to engage in the whole tuner business again - unless the have been able to integrate ‘the C9-tuner option’ into the sound/stand-center.
No, today the tuner is pretty much a SOC, making it entirely a software exercise, Or you simply buy an OEM module at around 15 us$ in quantities.
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Nor talking about the hardware, but the sw - this would have to be similar to the ui of the tv....I’d suppose.
In the video we did not see any antenna connection/s in the V300 part.
Millemissen: Roger: . Same goes for the new sound bar. Roger Oh, well - and when will we be introduced to that 😉 MM
Your dealer will be invited to København juster after Easter for a hands-on session with it
Thanks - I’ll speak to him right away....and after.
(And the new remote?)
Perhaps get a one-night-only part-time job at the dealership, and join him - you may get to see the new sound product sitting between the BS2 and the A9 as well as the new remote. This meeting will be important as the info surrounding the integration with LG is confusing at best (for the dealers).
The connection panel on the back of the LG C( unboxing looks slightly different to the one in the B&O setup video.
In the latter, there are terminals for connection of a sub etc, and a couple of other small differences.
Not sure if that matters or means anything, or is just a region thing, just saying...
And yes, there is no reason why the tuner would be disabled in the Harmony LG panel
Also if you look closely at the speaker part of the Harmony, it does look like there are PUC connections...i.e. much the same as the Eclipse etc (and previous)......
Millemissen:I wonder what happens, if you install the app on a C9 without the Harmony stand/system.....will it then be controlable with the BeoRemote One?
That was exactly my first question too.
Millemissen:In the video we did not see any antenna connection/s in the V300 part.
You are right,- No CA slots either come to think of it, and the whole RF part was basically left unconnected.
Sandyb: Also if you look closely at the speaker part of the Harmony, it does look like there are PUC connections...i.e. much the same as the Eclipse etc (and previous)......
Isn’t that what we could call a BeoSystem 4/Audio (or BeoSystem 5, if you please).
Internal name V3000.
Millemissen: Internal name V3000. MM
Sorry - V300
Absolutely yes.
No controversy there.
Sandyb: Absolutely yes. No controversy there.
Only ‘drawback’ - will that be available as a standalone solution?
If yes, then only for a combination with the new LG-tv’s.
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believe so, as part of a centre speaker / sound product.
I suspect it will be usable with non LG screens as well, but perhaps in not the same, lets call it, semi-integrated, way as seems to be the direction for newer LG TV's. New Panasonic or Sony tv's will not have this B&O specific chip / firmware in that the newer LG models do.
But that product seems to be late this year, early next, so we might need to take a breath on that one.
One difference I guess with this and the older BS4 platform was the lack of ARC / CEC - that will clearly be different now, so that constraint will disappear.
Whether the PUC that seems present in the Harmony survives into this new product, who knows, but the signs are looking good i guess (truly a guess).
Anyway, not sure how may forum members are that fussed about chosing a different OLED than LG - they are good all rounders, so for many LG will be more than enough (especially our friend on his thread, who is back to talking to himself again I see).
Sandyb:believe so, as part of a centre speaker / sound product. I suspect it will be usable with non LG screens as well, but perhaps in not the same, lets call it, semi-integrated, way as seems to be the direction for newer LG TV's. New Panasonic or Sony tv's will not have this B&O specific chip / firmware in that the newer LG models do. But that product seems to be late this year, early next, so we might need to take a breath on that one. One difference I guess with this and the older BS4 platform was the lack of ARC / CEC - that will clearly be different now, so that constraint will disappear. Whether the PUC that seems present in the Harmony survives into this new product, who knows, but the signs are looking good i guess (truly a guess). Anyway, not sure how may forum members are that fussed about chosing a different OLED than LG - they are good all rounders, so for many LG will be more than enough (especially our friend on his thread, who is back to talking to himself again I see).
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Sandyb:Be it a chip or firmware, there seems to be something in the newer LGs (all new LG’s I’ve been told), that will make the TV appear to other B&O products, and vice Verda I guess. How it all works I have no idea, but it sounds like more than a simple setup assistant, and something a bit broader I suppose.
Guess we will find out over the next few months, so we will see.
In the end, if we end up in a place where 3rd party screens can be easily integrated with B&O audio, isn't that what many have wanted? (however it is done, within reason).
Sandyb: Guess we will find out over the next few months, so we will see. In the end, if we end up in a place where 3rd party screens can be easily integrated with B&O audio, isn't that what many have wanted? (however it is done, within reason).
Has it ever occured to you, that the coopreation with LG might include, that only LG-tv’s can be used.
Or rather only tv’s with WebOS (4.5).....which again only can be from LG.
I see no signs of a hardware solution/chip built in to the tv.
And it was a stock LG/C9, that was unpacked in the video - there has only been talk about the app.
But, yes - you may be right, that is what most people want anyway.
Millemissen: Sandyb: Guess we will find out over the next few months, so we will see. In the end, if we end up in a place where 3rd party screens can be easily integrated with B&O audio, isn't that what many have wanted? (however it is done, within reason). Has it ever occured to you, that the coopreation with LG might include, that only LG-tv’s can be used. Or rather only tv’s with WebOS (4.5).....which again only can be from LG. I see no signs of a hardware solution/chip built in to the tv. And it was a stock LG/C9, that was unpacked in the video - there has only been talk about the app. But, yes - you may be right, that is what most people want anyway. MM
Sure, it sounded surprising to me when I heard it.
And if its firmware that is specific to LG tvs or some LG tvs, then that would seem less surprising.
But in the end what does it matter really - what is being suggested is that somehow LG's will be a bit more able to be integrated with other B&O equipment.
I doubt that would extend to excluding other brand TV's, but I suspect they would be usable in a more rudimentary way with other B&O speakers.
Let's see what this Lg integration actually means or extends to first, and then we will be in a better position to see what that means for, say, a Panasonic OLED.
While not perfect with mentioned limitations, I think that concept is buyer-friendly. Helps me to justify high cost of B&O sound center. And actually stimulates me to actively consider investing into a new B&O purchase - something I couldn‘t justify with previous TV sets.
Not sure if you guys saw this video of the Milan show
https://youtu.be/Y0CkQzXyPsY
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Epsilon20: Not sure if you guys saw this video of the Milan show https://youtu.be/Y0CkQzXyPsY
And already not well aligned ... I'm not very optimistic on how well it will resist to the time.
And for this price I would for sure go for the LG rollable model and not for the LG B&O one.
I think having seen everything I'd rather get the rollable TV too. Has LG announced pricing yet? assuming all LGs have built in B&O support I'm in.
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Epsilon20: I think having seen everything I'd rather get the rollable TV too. Has LG announced pricing yet? assuming all LGs have built in B&O support I'm in.
The pricing is known - you can easily google that.
Feel free to be a firstmover and please report back here.
How come you would assume that there should be any ‘built B&O support’ with that tv?
I remember having read that LG told 15000-20000€. But I found a recent article telling that according to rumors it could be 7000 only (https://actualites.rue-montgallet.com/lg-annonce-la-sortie-du-premier-televiseur-enroulable-lg-signature-oled-tv-r/) but I don't believe it as it's the price of the 2019 wallpaper OLED in 65 inches....
It will require a special large room and a customer with special taste and means, but it is the first that has been a positive awakening in a VERY long time.
I think it is a grand concept and can spin off a wide range of sizes and finishes to meet a wider audience. Sure don't see why the sound system could not be independent of the LG screen unless part of the agreement or lack of interest.
The luxury experience is far more than product and style, so I hope B&O will ensure that the quality, tech, and support will be up to the task.
And I haven't seen it, heard it, or expect to for a very long time.
One could say it Sparkles!
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Michael:What is this chip and where is the source? I find it hard to believe that they would put a special chip inside the tv. Makes no sense, why? The app probably does everything necessary to give a visual interface for configurations of the “Beo” part of the assembly, like setting up speaker configurations and hdmi port with their pucs.
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
some quick more info,
soundcenter is as wide as a 65'' screen, for all the sizes above they use wider panels, so same soundcenter for 65'', 77'', 88''. The only thing that's different between then is the width of the panels.
Also the soundcenter weighs about 80 kg
more info in this YouTube video(notice the panels not lining up flush...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0CkQzXyPsY
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Thanks for the video, Michael. Good one. I very much like the design of the TV and what they did with that set. Really appreciate the effort of thinking out of the box. I also find the movement to be quite beautiful. However, price tag is a minus. Prizes for televisions have went up way too high recently for my liking. I mean, who can still afford almost 20000 for a TV? I still hope for B&O that the television sells. Good job on the design (and probably also performance).
Cheers,
Kai
This is a early sample, and I trust B&O that will fix this in the launch version.
This is an normal standard, when they need to be hurry to show this to the milano show.
The products is not finish, and smal change will fix this, so I whold not be worry about this :)
I think about this alignment. I could not answear the early post. I never find out how to do, I press quick replay under the post, but it start a new. :( so sorry for its not correct answear:)
andybandy: This is a early sample, and I trust B&O that will fix this in the launch version.
Someone already mentioned it on the previous page.
Not only I did I think this looked poor, but a guy from B&O is sitting in front of it whilst it's happening and acts as nothing irregular has happened.
Off course, the B&O guy is acting Professional:) Why should he reacting on that in the big stage.
They take it back to the production area, and work on it:) its not autumn yet. Spring just start in Scandinavia :)
I belive this is working great out back in struer, before launch.
andybandy: Off course, the B&O guy is acting Professional:) Why should he reacting on that in the big stage. They take it back to the production area, and work on it:) its not autumn yet. Spring just start in Scandinavia :) I belive this is working great out back in struer, before launch.
I agree, when you're on stage in front of everyone doing a demo, if the hardware or software dumps on you, you just have to tap dance and go on. Sometimes you get lucky and it's something harder to notice but in my career ir usually always decided to do it in a very obvious way.
So does that mean that if you buy the 77-inch Harmony, and later you want to upgrade to the 88 inch panel - the soundcenter/lift mechanism is exactly the same - and you can just swap to the bigger size?
mikewalsh: So does that mean that if you buy the 77-inch Harmony, and later you want to upgrade to the 88 inch panel - the soundcenter/lift mechanism is exactly the same - and you can just swap to the bigger size?
yes and if you want to the accompanying covers so it all lines up again, same if you wanted to ''downgrade'' to the 65''