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I would've thought a more relevant question was how they compared to the 20s!
Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: I would've thought a more relevant question was how they compared to the 20s!
They must be better, they're more expensive!
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Puncher:I would've thought a more relevant question was how they compared to the 20s! Ban boring signatures!
Judging from the numbers the 50’s are twice and a half times better than the 20’s 🙄
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:Judging from the numbers the 50’s are twice and a half times better than the 20’s 🙄 MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
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Razlaw: Puncher: I would've thought a more relevant question was how they compared to the 20s! Ban boring signatures! No. The question is related to technology that the 20s do not contain. I will rephrase it. Is figure 4.4 on page 12 of the Technical Sound Guide an accurate depiction of what one hears listening to the 50s.
Puncher: I would've thought a more relevant question was how they compared to the 20s! Ban boring signatures!
No. The question is related to technology that the 20s do not contain. I will rephrase it. Is figure 4.4 on page 12 of the Technical Sound Guide an accurate depiction of what one hears listening to the 50s.
But the 50s don't work like the 90s.
Razlaw:1000 miles
I think you should ping all the North America dealers. Nobody can support the sale, so bid them all and take the best price.
It's the American way.
Puncher:But the 50s don't work like the 90s. Ban boring signatures!
Razlaw:Again and to clarify the question for you further....when listening to 50s, will the sound be heard as depicted in figure 4, page 12, of the Beolab 50 Technical Sound Guide.
Razlaw: Razlaw: Again and to clarify the question for you further....when listening to 50s, will the sound be heard as depicted in figure 4, page 12, of the Beolab 50 Technical Sound Guide. Figure 4.4 on page 12 of the BL50 Technical Sound guide.
Razlaw: Again and to clarify the question for you further....when listening to 50s, will the sound be heard as depicted in figure 4, page 12, of the Beolab 50 Technical Sound Guide.
Again and to clarify the question for you further....when listening to 50s, will the sound be heard as depicted in figure 4, page 12, of the Beolab 50 Technical Sound Guide.
Figure 4.4 on page 12 of the BL50 Technical Sound guide.
Why wouldnt it if it is specifically mentioned in the speakers documentation?
Razlaw: Figure 4.4 on page 12 of the BL50 Technical Sound guide.
That is an example of a set of speakers working in ‘Narrow Mode’.
I guess that depends very much of the (quality of) the recording and also of your skills for listening to these suble differences in a recording.
I’d say - properly set up - this should be possible with the 50’s as well as with the 90’s.
Maybe the 50’s are a bit more depending on your room than the 90’s can be.
The 50’s aren’t the 90’s - but also not that expensive and less dominating the room designwise.
You will definitely have more possibilities with the 50’s than with the 20’s, though.
Millemissen:That is an example of a set of speakers working in ‘Narrow Mode’. I guess that depends very much of the (quality of) the recording and also of your skills for listening to these suble differences in a recording. I’d say - properly set up - this should be possible with the 50’s as well as with the 90’s. Maybe the 50’s are a bit more depending on your room than the 90’s can be. The 50’s aren’t the 90’s - but also not that expensive and less dominating the room designwise. You will definitely have more possibilities with the 50’s than with the 20’s, though. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Razlaw:No. My question has to do with the imaging attainable given the technology that only the 50s and 90s have. I will rephrase it this way, to those who have 50s, is figure 4.4 on page 12 of the Beolab 50 Technical Sound Guide and accurate depiction of what will be heard when listening to the 50s. Thank you in advance for any opinions on it.
Razlaw:No. My question was not related to the 20s but rather to technology that only the 50s and 90s have. I will rephrase it. Is figure 4.4 on page 12 of the BL50 Technical Sound Guide an accurate depiction of what BL50 listeners hear. Thanks in advance for any thoughts from BL50 listeners.
Unfortunately, I can't answer the question directly: I own a pair of Lab 50s, but only use them as rears, and have never listened to them as my main speakers. Nor have I ever owned or auditioned a pair of Lab 20s. However, I can offer the following observations, for what they are worth:
1) My Lab 50s can hold their own with my Lab 90s when I'm playing quadraphonic or 5.1 music.
2) The Lab 50s are a very different beast from the Lab 5s, which I previously had as rears (and, before that, as front speakers). The Lab 5s' greatest strength is their sheer heft, whereas the Lab 50s are more about subtlety and clarity. This is obvious as much on films as music – a friend told me had heard things on film soundtracks with my Lab 50s that he had never noticed when I had the Lab 5s. I have noticed precisely the same thing.
I own them as mains and I would say that is accurate, yes.
Obviously provided you set them up well and for that listening spot and only use those filters.
When I play around and turn my center channel off/on(blind test) I have a very hard time hearing if the center channel is even playing. This how ever does depend a bit on how far away the speakers are from each other as the further you put them away from each other the easier it is to hear. So what are the dimensions of your room etc you're putting them in? And what are you connecting them to and how are you connecting them(wisa/wired etc)?
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Mikipidia:I own them as mains and I would say that is accurate, yes. Obviously provided you set them up well and for that listening spot and only use those filters. When I play around and turn my center channel off/on(blind test) I have a very hard time hearing if the center channel is even playing. This how ever does depend a bit on how far away the speakers are from each other as the further you put them away from each other the easier it is to hear. So what are the dimensions of your room etc you're putting them in? And what are you connecting them to and how are you connecting them(wisa/wired etc)? New: Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beovision eclipse, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound 1 Bronze edition, Beoplay M3. Mikipedi4 on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/mikipedi4 Old: Beolab 1's, beolab 2, beovision 10-46, overture 2300, beolab 8000's, beolab 4000's, beovision avant 32" etc. etc.
How far apart will the speakers be and how far away from centre is your listening position?
I would say you're fine with that and get what you want out of them although I would say that your bv7 is the weak link in the chain. When I went from a bv10 to an eclipse I heard a massive difference in my bl18's and they sounded like new speakers and really thump now(in a good way). I don't know what this will do to the 50's as I only heard them through a bv avant or an eclipse, but with both of those they sound absolutely fabulous and in a smaller room like that you basically don't need much of a center channel anymore(people that say otherwise either have a much bigger room of haven't tried them like this). Now a good center like the eclipse gives you that extra 3-5% but the difference is negligible and I actually think the eclipse is slightly too boomy for the 50's(just a tad). With newer tv's it's such an off experience to listen to the 50's and it truly gave me goose bumps for the first two times I really listened to them. The sounds like they're like 5 feet away but in front of you(the 90's give you the feeling that you get a personal up-close private ballad). The 50's will shake your walls if you're in the USA as they do really still pack a big punch(mostly down to type of construction). The bl5's rumble a bit more and therefor sound impressive, but the 50's can also rumble but will only do so when intended/asked for. I tested them with playing 15hz tones etc and the floors and walls and mirrors on the walls started shaking at volume level 50 :p
I just moved to a slightly bigger place and mostly my living room is bigger and concrete now so I'll test again but that'll take a week or so from now. Most of what I am telling you is based on the experiences I had at my old place and that sounds very similar to you (living)room. In my new place instead of ~12 feet center to center, the 50's will now be ~16 feet center to center and I am wondering if in this case I'll use the center channel more/feel the need to more.
I would kind of say though that it's probably a good thing to at least upgrade the BV to an avant/11-55 or newer unless you don't really do movies and will use the core more for music most of the time. Like politician said, you'll hear stuff in music you've been listening to forever and hear things you never knew where there. I know I did
A lot of what you're wanting to hear is going to be conjecture, depending on source, source material, room geometry, room materials etc. etc.
If you're seriously thinking of dropping $50k on speakers then no one else's opinion matters other than your own - in your room, with your equipment! Rather than allowing others to convince you you should convince yourself, whilst being wary of level matching/channel balancing etc.
Your 20's aren't junk - just be sure you're buying 50's because you can hear a real difference in your room - remember that you can't ever tell anyone that you've spent $50k on speakers, I guarantee no one will be impressed, in fact quite the reverse ..... you have to want them just for you without feeling the need to explain, justify or feel vindicated !
politician:Unfortunately, I can't answer the question directly: I own a pair of Lab 50s, but only use them as rears, and have never listened to them as my main speakers. Nor have I ever owned or auditioned a pair of Lab 20s. However, I can offer the following observations, for what they are worth:1) My Lab 50s can hold their own with my Lab 90s when I'm playing quadraphonic or 5.1 music.2) The Lab 50s are a very different beast from the Lab 5s, which I previously had as rears (and, before that, as front speakers). The Lab 5s' greatest strength is their sheer heft, whereas the Lab 50s are more about subtlety and clarity. This is obvious as much on films as music – a friend told me had heard things on film soundtracks with my Lab 50s that he had never noticed when I had the Lab 5s. I have noticed precisely the same thing.
Mikipidia:I do agree with puncher, you have to want them for you! And for the kind of money you’re willing to spend, what’s a 2-300 dollar plane ticket(or drive) to listen to them in the flesh? I would highly suggest that you do that and possibly wait and get a new bv first. But in the end it’s up to you and if you use them mainly for music(as in 90-10 split) with a core i can see why the bv can wait. I’ll get back to you soon once my new place is all wired up again. New: Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beovision eclipse, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound 1 Bronze edition, Beoplay M3. Mikipedi4 on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/mikipedi4 Old: Beolab 1's, beolab 2, beovision 10-46, overture 2300, beolab 8000's, beolab 4000's, beovision avant 32" etc. etc.
Jeff: Puncher: I would've thought a more relevant question was how they compared to the 20s! They must be better, they're more expensive!
For me, that doesn't always ring true with B&O. I owned the BL5s and they were superb at first. Out of the box. After a few months I understood you could calibrate them and then stupidly calibrated them for my room with wooden floors and rickety old sash windows and they were never the same again. Was like someone removed the bass. Completely different sound. Much more mid-range. And I couldn't get the original sound back. Annoyed me so much. After a year I sold them.
I wasn't overly impressed with the BL9s either. I preferred the BL3s + BL19 sub. To this day, I'm still using BL3s and sub with my BV12.
moxxey:For me, that doesn't always ring true with B&O. I owned the BL5s and they were superb at first. Out of the box. After a few months I understood you could calibrate them and then stupidly calibrated them for my room with wooden floors and rickety old sash windows and they were never the same again. Was like someone removed the bass. Completely different sound. Much more mid-range. And I couldn't get the original sound back. Annoyed me so much. After a year I sold them. I wasn't overly impressed with the BL9s either. I preferred the BL3s + BL19 sub. To this day, I'm still using BL3s and sub with my BV12.
Razlaw: I agree with you. I had a pair of 5s in my home for several weeks deciding whether to buy or not. I liked them in the store very much. But once they were at my house they sounded no better than the 9s I had in that particular room. Interestingly, the 1s I previously had in that room sounded immensely better when moved to another room in my home.
I agree with you. I had a pair of 5s in my home for several weeks deciding whether to buy or not. I liked them in the store very much. But once they were at my house they sounded no better than the 9s I had in that particular room. Interestingly, the 1s I previously had in that room sounded immensely better when moved to another room in my home.
I had a friend come over to listen to the 5s and wanted to impress. Decided to show him the calibration (I'd just learned it was possible and it was the first calibration) and then played a track or two and he was left disappointed and me confused by the audio. I remember insisting it was way better before the calibration!
Don't get me wrong, the 5s are amazing, but like you say they have to be in the right room/location.
The 3s have always been my favourite, primarily as you have a very rounded sound (with a sub) in a reasonably small room.
This whole thing highlights a serious problem with B&O. Razlaw's nearest dealer is over 1000 miles away. The nearest dealer to me is over 1600 miles away. And they are selling increasingly expensive items, things that the average person will not consider unless they can lay eyes and ears on them in person. Most people who aren't loyalists to B&O's brand and who don't know much about B&O are not going to rely on other people's opinions of the items in question, whether those come from a magazine review (almost never occurs for B&O) or people's online opinions here.
This essentially means B&O has no presence in the US market, outside of internet order Play type items, things that you might find at Best Buy or such, maybe. I often get the impression that B&O would like to just abandon the US market, but can't quite force themselves to do it, so they are letting it die of neglect.
Jeff: This whole thing highlights a serious problem with B&O. Razlaw's nearest dealer is over 1000 miles away. The nearest dealer to me is over 1600 miles away. And they are selling increasingly expensive items, things that the average person will not consider unless they can lay eyes and ears on them in person. Most people who aren't loyalists to B&O's brand and who don't know much about B&O are not going to rely on other people's opinions of the items in question, whether those come from a magazine review (almost never occurs for B&O) or people's online opinions here. This essentially means B&O has no presence in the US market, outside of internet order Play type items, things that you might find at Best Buy or such, maybe. I often get the impression that B&O would like to just abandon the US market, but can't quite force themselves to do it, so they are letting it die of neglect.
Perhaps the Color Team will venture to North America to explore the vast wasteland in search of marketing ideas.
PaulGiles:Eclipse with BL18&19 would be my advice on this set up. And would Still have money to spare
Razlaw:Why would I want to downgrade from 20s to 18s?
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