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Moment and Core only have Deezer integrated into the units but I'm interested in Primephonic, a music streaming service specilaising only in classical music. It does have a web browser that i can download to my Mac but how would i then stream the music to my Beolab 90s from my Mac please? i suppose this a general question that could apply to any web based app on a computer.
The next challenge would be how you could control the web app onn your computer whilst in another room to change tracks and search?
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BL90 has both Airplay and Chromecast built in, right?
So Airplay from your mac should work, as I see it.
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Primephonic has an app so you should be able to Airplay or Chromecast from you rmobile.
Hiort: BL90 has both Airplay and Chromecast built in, right? So Airplay from your mac should work, as I see it.
No - but with a connected Core there is support for AP and CC.
The iOS app from Primephonic and of course the Mac has support for AP.
For me that would be ok - makes it very easy to handle with the Core in the chain as a prepro.
I fear this won’t be sufficient due to the missing support for the 24/96 version of the service.
(It seems very hard to find out whether a Mac can output 24/96 over AP from a webbrowser....I suppose not.
There is no native Primephonic app for Mac).
In that case maybe what seethroughyou asks for is some kind of USB card with e.g. SPDIF/COAX-out or a media player with USB-in........
....which however would require a cable to the 90’s and make it hard to manage from afar.
MM
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Millemissen: Hiort: BL90 has both Airplay and Chromecast built in, right? So Airplay from your mac should work, as I see it. No - but with a connected Core there is support for AP and CC. The iOS app from Primephonic and of course the Mac has support for AP. For me that would be ok - makes it very easy to handle with the Core in the chain as a prepro. I fear this won’t be sufficient due to the missing support for the 24/96 version of the service. (It seems very hard to find out whether a Mac can output 24/96 over AP from a webbrowser....I suppose not. There is no native Primephonic app for Mac). In that case maybe what seethroughyou asks for is some kind of USB card with e.g. SPDIF/COAX-out or a media player with USB-in........ ....which however would require a cable to the 90’s and make it hard to manage from afar. MM
MM, To your point, it "appears" my MacBook Air can output high resolution files either through lightning connector or headphone jack at full resolution. First pic shows Audio Midi Setup app and looking at drop down menu for audio output. Second pic shows receiving Neil Young Archives site at full resolution but Airplay 2 output of this site limited to CD level.
I think that confirms your conclusion. The advantage of the high resolution sites would be that NYA, Primephonic, and others are possibly sending a better file to the computer (or device?) than other services. If that is true, should the Airplay stream be better on high resolution file because of that? Either way, I can't imagine the top line speakers were designed around a 320 streamed file.
poodleboy: MM, To your point, it "appears" my MacBook Air can output high resolution files either through lightning connector or headphone jack at full resolution.
MM, To your point, it "appears" my MacBook Air can output high resolution files either through lightning connector or headphone jack at full resolution.
I am quite sure that you mean: the ‘USB’ (not the Lightning) connector.
And you are right - the headphone-out doubles as an optical/digital connector.
Both can be used for outputting higher resolution audio - no problem there.
But they would require an outboard DAC (such as in the 50/90’s).
And since both solutions - opposite to AirPlay - also will require a cable, they fall in the category of, what I called ‘hard to manage from afar’.
Note: there are lots of sw players for the Mac, that can be remotely controlled (Audirvana/A+ Remote as one of these).
However, I am not aware, that any of these would include sound from a web-based player like Primephonic.
I don't understand. Wouldn't someone owning a Mac just buy a used AirPort Express (discontinued, 802.11n 2nd gen) and AirPlay to its (dual-purpose, 3.5mm) optical output? Only if higher bit depth or sampling frequency than 16/44.1 are required would one need to hard-cable the Mac to the speaker. [Edit: Yes, Platinum level claims to be 24-bit FLAC streaming. But as they say, "If an album is available in 24-bit, that’s what you get." Which means just about none of it, since relatively little new classical is being recorded -- compared to the archive catalog, most of which will be rips of 16/44.1 CDs.]
seethroughyou:How would you control the Primephonic app running on the MacBook in the study, whilst sat in the living room on the sofa?
....take it with you - AirPlay is wireless 🙂
*I* wouldn't. *One* might.
I would just take the (lightweight, portable, sleek-looking) computer and put it in my lap for the "ultimate user experience" on the sofa, and live with 16/44.1 AirPlay output to my AirPort Express beside the speakers. But One could operate the remote Mac with an iPad using a VNC/Screen-Sharing app. Less than ideal but then you get your higher-resolution output wired directly from the Mac to the speakers. Or just suck it up and walk over to the Mac, which you have on a table near your speakers, to select your classical piece. It's no worse than a turntable or a CD player, especially for classical music where one isn't usually hopping across albums and playlists like with pop.
trackbeo: I don't understand. Wouldn't someone owning a Mac just buy a used AirPort Express (discontinued, 802.11n 2nd gen) and AirPlay to its (dual-purpose, 3.5mm) optical output? Only if higher bit depth or sampling frequency than 16/44.1 are required would one need to hard-cable the Mac to the speaker. [Edit: Yes, Platinum level claims to be 24-bit FLAC streaming. But as they say, "If an album is available in 24-bit, that’s what you get." Which means just about none of it, since relatively little new classical is being recorded -- compared to the archive catalog, most of which will be rips of 16/44.1 CDs.]
I did not want to engage in that discussion - I just related to what I was pretty sure that seethroughyou aimed for: the Platinum level.
We agree pretty much on that subject, but I am not here to judge whether someone should spend money on something (with little or no benefit) or not.
I just wanted to show the possibilities .....in any case.
Just to be clear: I definitely expect that the Platinum level will be worth it: 16/44.1 encoded into 24-bit FLAC will sound better ("perfect" in fact) than encoded into the 320K MP3 of Premium. I'm less clear on whether one might hear any down-res'ing artifacts when it gets turned back into 16/44.1 via MacOS & AirPlay. Therefore I also imagined the alternative, i.e. cabling the Mac directly to the speakers. That's the part where I wouldn't, but someone might. (For that matter, here in the USA, I have only 1 Mbit service -- likely to trigger Primephonic's bit-limiting streaming algorithm at the host's end anyway!)
trackbeo: Just to be clear: I definitely expect that the Platinum level will be worth it: 16/44.1 encoded into 24-bit FLAC will sound better ("perfect" in fact) than encoded into the 320K MP3 of Premium.
Just to be clear: I definitely expect that the Platinum level will be worth it: 16/44.1 encoded into 24-bit FLAC will sound better ("perfect" in fact) than encoded into the 320K MP3 of Premium.
Wow - I did overlook something there!
Now that is a smart business model....
....offering a lossy service (even though it is at 320) as Premium AND offering another HighRes version labelled - for more money ——— that’s clever.
I guess most ‘classic lovers’ will go for the expensive version.
Not offering a 16/44.1 (CD-specs) version is humbug, since very, very little content is 24/96 right from the origin of the recording.
Pooring 16/44.1 content into a 24/96 container is like pooring 1 liter wine into a 2 liter bootle - and then charge double.
Apart from that the stream is adaptive - means you’ll never know what you really get.
We need some honesty in this business!!!
trackbeo: here in the USA, I have only 1 Mbit service --
here in the USA, I have only 1 Mbit service --
That’s like a couple of drops of water coming out of the pipe every day 🙄
Primephonic doesn't have an app that runs on your MacBook in the study, but Primephonic does have a web player that will run in your web browser of choice on that Mac. So, then, the task is to remotely control the Mac itself.
There are several software alternatives that leverage the VNC protocol to allow your iOS device to control your Mac, including your web browser. Here's a review of one such: https://thesweetsetup.com/apps/the-best-remote-access-solution-for-mac-and-ios/ You can search for others, including some that (iirc) are free.
There's also a recent hardware/dongle solution - here's a review: https://www.macstories.net/ipad-diaries/using-a-mac-from-ios-part-2-luna-display-and-macos-as-an-app/
NB: I haven't used any of these, so this is hardly a recommendation of any product.
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btw: my earlier post on this topic, sent from the iOS app, was either moderated out of existence or sent to bit heaven.