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I think BeoVox means "why not make a box that can be used as a hub for all TV brands, not just LG".
I think / hope he understands that this box won't do any image / PQ processing per se, but wants the one box to be the heart of an ecosystem, handling video switching and audio management, be it TrueImage or something similar, NL multiform etc.
Anyway, lets all assume we all understand this. If this is what you want, I dont believe its coming soon, and will likely be part of a centre channel speaker a la Eclipse sound centre.
Anyway, the much simpler upcoming Sound bar might give some clues as to future directions.
kuyttendaele:The market has moved on and B&O made a good decision to no longer pour money in a black hole when LG's video R&D vastly exceeds B&O's capabilities.
...and it might even make the B&O solution a bit better priced than the average "full" BeoSystems 3&4 were as there will be no video-processing part. Not too bad neccessarily.
Aussie Michael:Thanks for the link to the YT video However, i never heard him mention a B&O soundbar, only about the BeoVision harmony and that in time they can do a software update if you change your screen. Did i miss another video? Thanks M
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Sandyb: Anyway, lets all assume we all understand this. If this is what you want, I dont believe its coming soon, and will likely be part of a centre channel speaker a la Eclipse sound centre. Anyway, the much simpler upcoming Sound bar might give some clues as to future directions.
I agree with Sandy there.
One of the reasons would be that they/B&O would have to ‘invent’/make/sell a dedicated center speaker....and that it would force people to buy additional speakers in order to have a working (at least) 3.0 speaker system.
——- It might be possible to release a 3.0 speaker unit or make the coming soundbar so that it could be used as a ‘switchable’ combination of a 3.0 and 1.0 speaker.....but is not likely to happen IMO. ——-
If anything is coming, it will be a combined sound center/3.0 speaker combination ( a la Eclipse sound centre)
The advocates for the boxed-BeoSystem-solution are generally those who want to use their existing speakers AND a former dedicated center speaker ( BL4/10) from the secondhand market.....I am pretty sure that this will not be considered ‘profitable’ in Struer.
This said we don’t know anything yet.....and maybe all are too optimistic.
Like Sandy writes : maybe the coming doundbar will give us some hints.
MM
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Millemissen:The advocates for the boxed-BeoSystem-solution are generally those who want to use their existing speakers AND a former dedicated center speaker ( BL4/10) from the secondhand market.....I am pretty sure that this will not be considered ‘profitable’ in Struer.
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kuyttendaele: BEOVOX141: That is not clear at all, why would you deliberately exclude 85% of the TV market. I.e all the rest of the manufactures? I don't follow that reasoning... Currently almost all screens have excellent videoprocessing onboard. Why would you reinvent the wheel only to come to the conclusion that your wheel is also round. There was a time that B&O was clearly ahead in video processing when screens were "dumb" and didn't have (good) video processing. The market has moved on and B&O made a good decision to no longer pour money in a black hole when LG's video R&D vastly exceeds B&O's capabilities. Karel.
BEOVOX141: That is not clear at all, why would you deliberately exclude 85% of the TV market. I.e all the rest of the manufactures?
That is not clear at all, why would you deliberately exclude 85% of the TV market. I.e all the rest of the manufactures?
I don't follow that reasoning... Currently almost all screens have excellent videoprocessing onboard. Why would you reinvent the wheel only to come to the conclusion that your wheel is also round.
There was a time that B&O was clearly ahead in video processing when screens were "dumb" and didn't have (good) video processing.
The market has moved on and B&O made a good decision to no longer pour money in a black hole when LG's video R&D vastly exceeds B&O's capabilities.
Karel.
I'd say not only had the market moved on with respect to video processing being well done inside most TV sets, the big thing is sources have moved on and gotten good enough (DVD, BluRay, 4K) that processing of the raw video has become just about unnecessary. No more SD or bad cable feeds, or at least not the majority of what people watch, cable while not as good as most other sources is better than it was, mostly. The big things in the sets that test well, say a Panasonic OLED which runs an LG panel, have to do with more standard TV things, gray scale linearity, color temperature, contrast, black levels, color accuracy. Some differences due to motion processing but most of it is just making the TV closer to what the standards say it should be.
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Sandyb:I think BeoVox means "why not make a box that can be used as a hub for all TV brands, not just LG".
Yes thank you!
Let me clarify:
Video processing in the sense the the Beosystem acts like an A/V reciver. Switcing the HDMI signals, properly decoding the audio formats and perhaps adding a menu overlay. A hub that distributes, streams, whatever. I agree let Samsung, Sony, Panasonic and LG deal with developing the videprocessors. Should it be in a nice presentable enclosure even better!
Personally would love to see the tuner functionality as well for convenience, and complete independence of the TV software.
Such a device would cater to all tvs not just LG!
DMacri:That being said, wouldn’t a BeoSystem 5 that could tie any screen to any Beolab speakers be an attractive option? Release an updated Beolab 7.4 or 10 for a viable center channel.
Absolutely! And it should be in B&O best interest since the speakers division seem to be able to attract customers!
PS I would buy the "NEW" AV7000 as well,- that makes three units already!
BEOVOX141:PS I would buy the "NEW" AV7000 as well,- that makes three units already!
Razlaw: Aussie Michael: Thanks for the link to the YT video However, i never heard him mention a B&O soundbar, only about the BeoVision harmony and that in time they can do a software update if you change your screen. Did i miss another video? Thanks M Here an excerpt of the video highlighting the mention of the sound bar. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7L1VpQP5BLc
Aussie Michael: Thanks for the link to the YT video However, i never heard him mention a B&O soundbar, only about the BeoVision harmony and that in time they can do a software update if you change your screen. Did i miss another video? Thanks M
Thanks for the link to the YT video
However, i never heard him mention a B&O soundbar, only about the BeoVision harmony and that in time they can do a software update if you change your screen.
Did i miss another video?
Thanks
M
Here an excerpt of the video highlighting the mention of the sound bar.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7L1VpQP5BLc
Thanks :-) LOL. I think i watched that scene a few times as i tuned out and clearly i tuned out missing what I came there for.
Thanks for the excerpt :-)
Sandyb:It’s likely to be close to the equivalent of the Eclipse sound centre, I.e a centre speaker with all the connections etc. The upcoming sound bar is a simple product, like many other sound bars. You’ll have to wait quite a while for the thing you are looking for
pauliander:How long do we have to wait? Fall 2020?
Aussie Michael:Thanks :-) LOL. I think i watched that scene a few times as i tuned out and clearly i tuned out missing what I came there for. Thanks for the excerpt :-)
pauliander:Very correct MM, although entirely Wisa based could be the compromise Struer is looking for. Older PL speakers such as BL5 could be connected via a Wisa receiver. New Wisa speakers could serve for the center and surround channels.
I suppose you mean the WiSA Ready function of the LG-tv’s and others (?).
In that case you will be disapointed - the handling of speaker groups is very limited, in fact it is not there.
People who have tried that solution tell that it is a pia, when you know what a genuine B&O audio processing solution is capable of.
Besides, the BL5’s can not be used properly with a Receiver 1.
BEOVOX141: Personally would love to see the tuner functionality as well for convenience, and complete independence of the TV software. Such a device would cater to all tvs not just LG!
That would be a device pertectly tailored for your specific user case.
However, yuo seem to forget that most people use the functionallity of the tv (the apps etc) to ‘watch tv’.
One of the advantages of the deal that B&O has made with LG is, that you (via the specific webOS app) can control the functions of the LG-tv with the BeoRemote.
That would not be possible, when you would use ‘not just LG’.
I know - that won’t bother you, but such a device is not likely to happen.
Back to the actually (now semi-official anounced) coming soundbar.
It seems that some people are asking for some kind of Atmos compatibility built-in etc.
My question is, why - why would you want pseudo-Atmos from a rather small speaker?
I guess this is not something that B&O will consider - if they (at some point) would offer an Atmos and co solution, it would more likely be a fully fletched, genuine solution......something that only few people/costumers would ever install.
(On a side note - in Struer, in the cinema room of the BeoHome, they use a Trinnow solution for that).
B&O has for some time now worked on a different kind of spacial sound processing - something that we can see one result of in the BS Shape (the Band on the Wall function).
Neo Kaplanis (one of the Tonmeisters in Struer) works in his ‘laboratory’ there specifically on these solutions.
You can read something on this subject here: http://www.hiddenwires.co.uk/news/article/b-o-opens-new-virtual-reality-laboratory
Neo’s LinkedIn page: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/neokaplanis
Millemissen:I suppose you mean the WiSA Ready function of the LG-tv’s and others (?). In that case you will be disapointed - the handling of speaker groups is very limited, in fact it is not there. People who have tried that solution tell that it is a pia, when you know what a genuine B&O audio processing solution is capable of. Besides, the BL5’s can not be used properly with a Receiver 1. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Duels: Aussie Michael: Thanks :-) LOL. I think i watched that scene a few times as i tuned out and clearly i tuned out missing what I came there for. Thanks for the excerpt :-) How odd. I did exactly the same.
Aussie Michael: Thanks :-) LOL. I think i watched that scene a few times as i tuned out and clearly i tuned out missing what I came there for. Thanks for the excerpt :-)
How odd. I did exactly the same.
Twinning :-)
Razlaw:This article might explain why you missed it when watching.
Duels:Thanks Razlaw. Good to know I’m not going crazy.
aaaand the video is gone
too soon guys, too soon lol
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Hello
I am interested in an 65 "oled.
The eclipse was not the best in tems of design.
Surely i would not buy an 77" so i wonder has anyone downloaded this intervieuw with 4k downloader? by change
Some say he even mentions november as a release date
Any price tag mentioned on this 65" ?
Sorry for B&O if it remains to be coverd but if there is no info at all i guess i don,t not have to wait and just buy the Loewe Bild 7"65 with an almando box as alternativ.
There are on offer now so it is tempting for me.
Justasyou:Sorry for B&O if it remains to be coverd but if there is no info at all i guess i don,t not have to wait and just buy the Loewe Bild 7"65 with an almando box as alternativ.
FYI: Loewe is bankrupt, and the Almando is a sad and expensive box without most of the functionality you would expect....
Justasyou: Hello .....so i wonder has anyone downloaded this intervieuw with 4k downloader? by change
.....so i wonder has anyone downloaded this intervieuw with 4k downloader? by change
Maybe Miki could ask Henrik - he is the one, who posted an excerpt on his own Youtube channel.
It might be possible, that he has the full interview?
Won’t help you much, anyway....I guess.
Are you really in such a hurry to get a new tv, that you’d go for a Loewe/Almando combo, instead of waiting a couple of months.
I suppose there will be some anouncement in September at the IFA/Berlin.
BEOVOX141: FYI: Loewe is bankrupt, and the Almando is a sad and expensive box without most of the functionality you would expect....
Well, the Almando DOES do what I want from it: integrate my LG OLED in a B&O 5.1 surround setup (or 4.0, in my case...).
The only real problem I have with the Almando is that it creates some static noise. I can't hear it during movie playback, but I can hear it during audio playback. Which is why I don't use it for music.
Back on topic ... ;-)