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Anyone who has a list of which brands/models of modern tv’s, that can be PUC-controlled, when used as a monitor for a BSys4?
Note - I do not care for 4K sources or for sources being on the tv itself!!!
Goal is to have a 65” tv only as a monitor with anything else managed by the BeoSystem 4.
Any experience with this kind of setup?
Like in this solution:
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Noone???
MM
Hi Sandyb,
thanks for noticing.
Of course that tv has to respond to ir....someway or another.
I guess an ir to bluetooth somewhat adapter could do the job in case only-bt (?)
After all it will just be a matter of turning on the tv, choosing the right HDMI input and turning it off again.
I thought I’d ask here first - otherweise I’ll find a ‘more direct way’ to get the answer, when time comes.
(Asking here because others might also be interested in such a solution).
I remember from earlier days - with the BSys3 - that only some brands were supported........maybe that has changed?
My Avant 1. Gen and my V1 are doing perfectly well - no need for action there!
I just wanted the option to be ready, if anything should happen —— and I have been asked that question from friends also.
How would you be thinking of routing video sources?
The reason for asking is that if you routed sources (both video / audio) through the BS4, then you'd lose the benefit of 4K UHD etc. In which case, I'm not sure what the benefit of this set up is - yes you gain, I assume, a current UHD panel but with no ability to use it to its full capacity. Is that worth t, just to retain the BS4 menu overlay and audio management? I can see a minority might be happy with this, but in general its a bit of an odd compromise.
I use a IR BT adapter (FLIRC I think) to control my Fire TV box, all through a BS4 architecture - works well enough, no lags etc - for what its worth.
I use a 75" Samsung tv with my BeoSystem 4. I've found Samsung to remain consistent with using the same IR codes across its TVs. To be safe, whenever I replace a Samsung TV, I take the Samsung remote for the old TV that I know works with the BeoSystem PUC with me when shopping for a new TV to be certain that it responds to the PUC.
The downside that I see now with Samsung TVs is that they don't support Dolby Vision. However, if you're not concerned about 4K, this wouldn't be an issue for you.
Sandyb: How would you be thinking of routing video sources? The reason for asking is that if you routed sources (both video / audio) through the BS4, then you'd lose the benefit of 4K UHD etc. In which case, I'm not sure what the benefit of this set up is - yes you gain, I assume, a current UHD panel but with no ability to use it to its full capacity. Is that worth t, just to retain the BS4 menu overlay and audio management? I can see a minority might be happy with this, but in general its a bit of an odd compromise. I use a IR BT adapter (FLIRC I think) to control my Fire TV box, all through a BS4 architecture - works well enough, no lags etc - for what its worth.
Obviously you did not read my note in the first post:
’Note - I do not care for 4K sources or for sources being on the tv itself!!!
Goal is to have a 65” tv only as a monitor with anything else managed by the BeoSystem 4.’
And yes, it is worth it!
I have no intention of swapping my Blu Ray discs with UHD Blu Rays, the quality of tv programmes won’t even be FullHD for years, and - oh well - you can discuss the quality of a Netflix stream......
If the picture on a 65” screen would be on par (maybe even better) with what I am used to from my Avant, I would be fine.
Most more important is the usability of the setup and the integration with the overall setup in the/my house.
I am not willing to compromise that for what you call the ‘full capacity’ of a current UHD panel!
And I am not intending to promote this as an overall solution - no, that is definitely something for a minority.
The majority will buy from the current B&O line.....or not at all.
You might ask: why not go for the BV Harmony, when it comes in 65”?
Of course that is a very personal decision - I am not that much into the winky-winky manner of that tv and the candy-like UI of the LG.
If there would be a 2nd gen BV Eclipse, that might be my compromise!
But alas....I just wanted to ask for the PUC codes - and not to start yet another discussion of the current B&O line of tv’s.
And thanks for the FLIRC tip.
beojeff: I use a 75" Samsung tv with my BeoSystem 4. I've found Samsung to remain consistent with using the same IR codes across its TVs. To be safe, whenever I replace a Samsung TV, I take the Samsung remote for the old TV that I know works with the BeoSystem PUC with me when shopping for a new TV to be certain that it responds to the PUC. The downside that I see now with Samsung TVs is that they don't support Dolby Vision. However, if you're not concerned about 4K, this wouldn't be an issue for you.
Thanks beojeff,
I do rember that you had a or some post about this.
Could you please link to that....if possible.
Millemissen: beojeff: I use a 75" Samsung tv with my BeoSystem 4. I've found Samsung to remain consistent with using the same IR codes across its TVs. To be safe, whenever I replace a Samsung TV, I take the Samsung remote for the old TV that I know works with the BeoSystem PUC with me when shopping for a new TV to be certain that it responds to the PUC. The downside that I see now with Samsung TVs is that they don't support Dolby Vision. However, if you're not concerned about 4K, this wouldn't be an issue for you. Thanks beojeff, I do rember that you had a or some post about this. Could you please link to that....if possible. MM
I'm afraid I can't find that post. As I recall, I mentioned in that post that my solution was to use the BS4 to send most video sources through the HDMI 1 input of the TV. For those rare times when I want to take advantage of 4K, I used the HDMI 2 and 3 inputs for Apple TV and UHD Blu-Ray. I have a very small iTach emitter discretely across the room that changes to the appropriate HDMI inputs automatically via BLGW macros. It's actually must easier than it probably sounds. So you CAN have the capability for future use of 4K. However, I'm probably like you in that I'm fine with 1080p for everyday use. In fact, I find that 4K can be a bit of a hassle on the Apple TV. That is, the screen often freezes and goes black until you press "go" on the remote to start the 4K content playing. There's usually a loud audible clip when 4K starts playing on the Apple TV. For the Disney Plus app, I have to actually disable the HDR on the Apple TV for video to play. I find that there's still a lot to be sorted out with 4K for it to be hassle-free. I'm mostly content with 1080p.
Understood, just wasn't sure whether you meant the inbuilt 4K sources of the TV itself, or UHD more broadly.
But yes, its a dilemma I am sympathetic with. Remember like you, I use a lot of the full capability of an integrated setup pretty much every day, whereas some here use multi room on a fairly limited basis.
And like you, the design of the Harmony doesn't quite do it for me either (its nice enough, but as a wall mounter its too chunky, and doesn't work above my suspended storage unit, so its not flexible as a design to me).
And like you, I'm not fussed or in a hurry to got UHD.- Blu-Rays on my 12-65 look pretty fab.
My only point of differentiation with you I guess is that going down the route you are exploring just seems a bit odd (to me) - when I change my 12-65 (or my bedroom Avant) I'd find it a bit strange to rationalise the expense and hassle but not gain the ability, even if only occasional, to watch UHD. After all, at some point (even if I'm in no hurry), I'd like to have the flexibility to watch some UHD at times.
By all accounts Apple TV 4K streams are excellent, and not much of a drop off compared to UHD discs.
An updated Eclipse is far from imminent unfortunately.
Millemissen: Sandyb: How would you be thinking of routing video sources? The reason for asking is that if you routed sources (both video / audio) through the BS4, then you'd lose the benefit of 4K UHD etc. In which case, I'm not sure what the benefit of this set up is - yes you gain, I assume, a current UHD panel but with no ability to use it to its full capacity. Is that worth t, just to retain the BS4 menu overlay and audio management? I can see a minority might be happy with this, but in general its a bit of an odd compromise. I use a IR BT adapter (FLIRC I think) to control my Fire TV box, all through a BS4 architecture - works well enough, no lags etc - for what its worth. Obviously you did not read my note in the first post: ’Note - I do not care for 4K sources or for sources being on the tv itself!!! Goal is to have a 65” tv only as a monitor with anything else managed by the BeoSystem 4.’ And yes, it is worth it! I have no intention of swapping my Blu Ray discs with UHD Blu Rays, the quality of tv programmes won’t even be FullHD for years, and - oh well - you can discuss the quality of a Netflix stream...... If the picture on a 65” screen would be on par (maybe even better) with what I am used to from my Avant, I would be fine. Most more important is the usability of the setup and the integration with the overall setup in the/my house. I am not willing to compromise that for what you call the ‘full capacity’ of a current UHD panel! And I am not intending to promote this as an overall solution - no, that is definitely something for a minority. The majority will buy from the current B&O line.....or not at all. You might ask: why not go for the BV Harmony, when it comes in 65”? Of course that is a very personal decision - I am not that much into the winky-winky manner of that tv and the candy-like UI of the LG. If there would be a 2nd gen BV Eclipse, that might be my compromise! But alas....I just wanted to ask for the PUC codes - and not to start yet another discussion of the current B&O line of tv’s. And thanks for the FLIRC tip. MM
Thanks again!
I am thinking of a solution, that is just as easy to operate as a ‘normal’ BV.
Mission is only completed, when my wife can operate it (regular flow tv, blu ray player, AppleTV and netradio) as usual with the B&O remote without knowing that there is a new tv/monitor involved.
Millemissen: Thanks again! I am thinking of a solution, that is just as easy to operate as a ‘normal’ BV. Mission is only completed, when my wife can operate it (regular flow tv, blu ray player, AppleTV and netradio) as usual with the B&O remote without knowing that there is a new tv/monitor involved. MM
Do you have a BLGW? My solution for adding 4K sources in the future works seamlessly using the BeoRemote One just as you would with a BeoVision. The HDMI input is set according to a "state_update" macro trigger. So the correct HDMI input is always selected based on the BeoRemote One source. Once you create the BLGW macros, it just always works as it should.
Sandyb: Understood, just wasn't sure whether you meant the inbuilt 4K sources of the TV itself, or UHD more broadly. ..... My only point of differentiation with you I guess is that going down the route you are exploring just seems a bit odd (to me) - when I change my 12-65 (or my bedroom Avant) I'd find it a bit strange to rationalise the expense and hassle but not gain the ability, even if only occasional, to watch UHD. After all, at some point (even if I'm in no hurry), I'd like to have the flexibility to watch some UHD at times.
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I am not anti-UHD by any means, no!
And I appreciate the blacks of an OLED tv etc.
It is just, if I have to choose between a fully working ‘B&O 1080p solution’ and one that gives me UHD, but with much hassle, I choose the first.....at least for time being.
Maybe that is why I stick to my Avant-55 1 gen......which - of course - was never bought because of it’s 4K panel.
And maybe I’ll not need the option, I asked for here!
I just wanted to be prepaired - hence the question about available PUCs.
What would you do/buy in case your 12-65 (or bedroom Avant) must be replaced?
beojeff: Millemissen: Thanks again! I am thinking of a solution, that is just as easy to operate as a ‘normal’ BV. Mission is only completed, when my wife can operate it (regular flow tv, blu ray player, AppleTV and netradio) as usual with the B&O remote without knowing that there is a new tv/monitor involved. MM Do you have a BLGW? My solution for adding 4K sources in the future works seamlessly using the BeoRemote One just as you would with a BeoVision. The HDMI input is set according to a "state_update" macro trigger. So the correct HDMI input is always selected based on the BeoRemote One source. Once you create the BLGW macros, it just always works as it should.
No, I haven’t!
But I appreciate your tip and will keep your post ‘screenshot’....just in case.
Seems like a good solution.
To your final question, I have no easy answer.
I'm more concerned with my 12-65 and main lounge setup, so the first thing I'd do is cry!
I can live with a piano black Eclipse in my bedroom, but not in my lounge - I dont love the design that much, and I'd like a 77 in the lounge.
That all said, I'm not quite as wedded to the B&O architecture as yourself though, even if I take advantage of all the multi-room and love the BR1 etc.
Its been brilliant investment for having an integrated audio and video system, but on the audio side (music listening) its serving me less well as time goes on. I do think its a reasonable ask to be able to use a top end music experience like Roon fairly easily with equipment as expensive as B&O's. But again I dont expect that to happen, so I'm prepared to keep my B&O speakers and move away TV wise if there is no BV (or BV that I like) when the time comes.
Panasonic has a lot of appeal, OLED wise. The UI is inoffensive, and judging by my sisters experience with hers, the remote controls the Apple TV nicely. If I need to get out a Blu ray remote once a month, so be it.
In the end the BR1 doesn't do a good deal of what the Apple TV remote does - so the BR1 is a good basic controller, but can be a touch restrictive. As such there are pros and cons with moving away from a BR. You cant speak search requests into the BR1, and its quiet useful on the Apple TV remote, especially as browsing video streaming apps is tiresome.
But otherwise, I'm happy to be patient.
And like you I'm somewhat mistrustful of using a different surround processor with the B&O speakers I have.
I was looking at a Linn solution - but the recently released Select one box solution, which while very nice, Roon ready, and modular, is crazy expensive with the surround sound option is added. 5 thousand becomes11 thousand pounds with the surround add on, and is a bit too much for me.
So yes, no easy answers.
Millemissen: Sandyb: Understood, just wasn't sure whether you meant the inbuilt 4K sources of the TV itself, or UHD more broadly. ..... My only point of differentiation with you I guess is that going down the route you are exploring just seems a bit odd (to me) - when I change my 12-65 (or my bedroom Avant) I'd find it a bit strange to rationalise the expense and hassle but not gain the ability, even if only occasional, to watch UHD. After all, at some point (even if I'm in no hurry), I'd like to have the flexibility to watch some UHD at times. I am not anti-UHD by any means, no! And I appreciate the blacks of an OLED tv etc. It is just, if I have to choose between a fully working ‘B&O 1080p solution’ and one that gives me UHD, but with much hassle, I choose the first.....at least for time being. Maybe that is why I stick to my Avant-55 1 gen......which - of course - was never bought because of it’s 4K panel. And maybe I’ll not need the option, I asked for here! I just wanted to be prepaired - hence the question about available PUCs. What would you do/buy in case your 12-65 (or bedroom Avant) must be replaced? MM