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ServiceTech Posted: Mon, Dec 17 2012 10:13 AM

Following an accidental switch off at the mains, ie not powered down via 0, FM took some time for displayed frequency to actually match the station. This would take about 10 - 15 mins whilst other stations could be heard running through. Then everything fine.

Following proper power down, now will not come out of standby or displays all the 8's. I am competent to component level and have the service manual. Any ideas?

 

 

 

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Step1 replied on Mon, Dec 17 2012 10:59 AM

Hi Servicetech welcome to Beoworld. It just so happens there has been a near identical case in the last week, and should give you enough to be going on for now ;-)

http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/3796.aspx

Good luck!

Olly

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chartz replied on Mon, Dec 17 2012 11:18 AM

You know, I've been struggling with my FM not going beyond 97MHz for almost two years now. I could never find the solution. So if you do find something, I'd take it because it looks ominously similar to my prob.

Jacques

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marc replied on Sun, Apr 28 2013 11:02 PM

Hi

i have experienced the exact same problem with my 8000 when switched on to radio it takes a few minuets to get sound and when put into standby sometimes it won't turn back on, 

what is the correct way to power down, if it is turned off by the mains do you have to wait for it to reset itself when mains power back on.

marc  

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Try to reset the CPU: when in standby mode, press the standby button and monitor button at the same time. The middle display should show a T and and then TP (test passed). Put the Beomaster in standby and see if the issue has been solved.

My Beomaster 8000 would not operate the muting relay when turning on, leaving the speaker output silent. Did the reset and it began working normally again.

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Dillen replied on Mon, Apr 29 2013 8:00 AM

Beomaster 8000 has no muting relay.
It has two relays for soft-starting the amplifiers.
It's not uncommon to see that a Beomaster 8000 won't switch the amplifiers back on right after being
put into standby. It will light up the displays but not power on the amplifiers.
Put back into standby for 15-20 seconds and it will power up fine again. This is quite normal.

If you keep an eye on the signal meter and the MPX indicator, you will see they both flicker for some
time, 10-20 seconds, sometimes more, after pressing standby. This is also normal.

I've seen very few tuner faults in BM8000.
Most were cracked solder joints around the interconnects and/or inadvertently pulled cables.
One or two tantal failures and the too long bottom plate screw grounding a copper track, muting the whole thing.

Martin

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marc replied on Mon, Apr 29 2013 10:51 AM

Hi

 I have tried the reset last night as you said but nothing happened, i turned on power this morning and all i got was 0 0 0 0 in display, could not get any response from anything i pressed, so i left it like that and went and had a cup of tea and when i went back it was off, no standby light or anything, so tried switching off mains power on and off but nothing no red standby light  no clicking noise no power.

marc        

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Dillen replied on Mon, Apr 29 2013 10:53 AM

Check the low voltage power supply and also the voltage regulators at the right side cooling fin.
Check also the interconnects and their solder joints between the display and processor boards, there are
some vital signals running through these rather flimsy connectors.

Martin

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marc replied on Tue, Apr 30 2013 5:03 PM
Hi Martin

After taking fuse cover off one of the fuses had blown so I replaced it, then I plugged power back in and display was 00 0 0 again nothing I pressed would do anything so i just waited to see if it would reset itself, after about 10mins of waiting it suddenly started making lots of clicking noises and went into standby mode with only the small red dot showing, I then waited a few more mins and then pressed standby button and it blew the same fuse again.

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Dillen replied on Tue, Apr 30 2013 7:23 PM

Which fuse blew ?

Martin

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marc replied on Tue, Apr 30 2013 8:15 PM

there's two t4 250v fuses fitted, its the one on the left hand side looking at the rear of beomaster.

i replaced the fuse again and the same thing i mentioned in last post happend  again and same one fuse blown on left hand side.

marc

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Dillen replied on Tue, Apr 30 2013 9:39 PM

Sounds like a shorted output stage and/or rectifier.

Martin

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marc replied on Tue, Apr 30 2013 9:58 PM

this being the case is it a costly fix

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marc replied on Wed, May 1 2013 7:58 AM

Hi everyone

if you have been reading this tread you would have seen the problems i'm having with my beomaster 8000,  thanks to martin and others  for there help on fault finding, however i'm out of my depth to fix so can anyone recommend someone to repair / service it. my location is s.wales u.k 

Regards all    

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marc replied on Fri, May 10 2013 5:37 PM

Hi to ALL 

Could someone please help me with the right personal to repair my beomaster 8000, i had taken it to  what used to be a b&o dealer in cardiff called Hinchley's  but after a week they called me and said there was nothing they could do and said that the micro processors had gone then mysteriously they asked do i want it back.

So please advise on the right person to sent to.

Regards marc     

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Beobuddy replied on Fri, May 10 2013 6:12 PM

Your welcome to send the master to Holland.....

But it will probably be costly for shipping.

I've finished a BM8000 this week after a throrough service of repairing all solder joints, trimmers, caps and all other thinkable issues.

This machine started to have some output stages problems (short circuit/blown) but shortly after that, many other weak points had to be taken care of. 

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You need either Tim Jarman or Martin Olsen to take a look. Tim had my 8000 just prior to me buying it 6 years ago and it has been faultless ever since.

If Tim can't or won't do it, then I'd send it to Martin, but the postage costs will be huge due to the weight.

Peter might be able to point you in Tim's direction.

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marc replied on Fri, May 10 2013 8:29 PM

Thanks for the info, i will try to contact peter to see if i get this done in the u.k , also thanks to beobuddy if i can't get  it sorted then mabey i will ship .

marc

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Playdrv4me replied on Fri, May 10 2013 10:34 PM

Boy I guess I was wrong about BM8000 vs. the BC9500 on potential issues and the difficulty of diagnosis (I notice that a lot of the BM8000 issues relate to tiny fractures and cold solder joints rather than straightforward part replacements). So many threads lately with BM8000 issues and I'm near certain mine is operating on original caps and trimmers. Guess I will sell my 8000 (which is working perfectly at the moment, knock on fake wood) and hang on to the 9500. Wasn't sure which I was going to keep as I don't really have room for both and my BM7000 is there for use with my BL7000 (so I at least have one two-way device in the household). Here in the U.S. I don't think we have anyone on the level of the guys over there to just pack it up and send it to easily for those of us not gifted technically when it does break. Plus I have a theory with these that the shipping itself plays a big role in a lot of failures. So you get one thing fixed and hope that being jostled around in shipment doesn't loosen up something else.

Sad, I was looking forward to using it with my JBL speakers. And to me, the BM8000 is on the level of the BL5 in being such a watershed product for B&O at the time. No expense was spared and it's just SO beautiful.

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marc replied on Sun, Jul 7 2013 9:20 PM

Hi to all

Just like to update you all on the successful repair and full service  to my beomaster 8000, after being told from  B&O dealer and repair centre that their was know hope to repair my BM8000 i was gutted to say the least , then i was contacted by a friend who lead me  to Olly King (STEP 1) who has done an amazing job on repairing and a full service to the BM8000, can't believe how good it sounds now its had full service etc, so Olly now comes super highly recommended  for his services, and also a big thanks for all the help and info i've received  from all you other guys on the forum.

Regards

marc  

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Step1 replied on Sun, Jul 7 2013 11:29 PM

Just happy I could help a fellow B&O enthusiast, it reminds me why I really enjoy repairing these hifi's, when someone comes back with such positive feedback - Cheers!

Olly

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