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Beosound 9 WOW.... Razzle Dazzle!!!

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Chaka Posted: Tue, Dec 18 2012 10:37 PM

I heard that lil' beast in the showroom the other day.  I was very impressed.  Very full sound.  I feel guilty agreeing, because it's putting people out of work in the town.  I'm a harsh critic, but a lady that was sampling the unit was putting it through its paces.  Really nice sound.  Job well done! Looks the part as well.  Going back to the 70's!!  To me it sounded as clear and full as 6000's with a sub, but better....  Any thoughts???

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Paul W replied on Tue, Dec 18 2012 10:45 PM

Hi Rex,

I'm not impressed because I KNOW the perfection of a separates system for £1700.

Design wise I really hated it - I wanted to kick it and i'm not a violent person! I love design, I love the BS8/A8 but this is nasty

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w5bno123 replied on Tue, Dec 18 2012 11:22 PM
Compared to other brands trying to do a similar thing at this level (Geneva) this product is amazing and has been exceptionally well received by all that have called in and had a demo with us. I am biased though :0)
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Razlaw replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 12:16 AM

It has won an award here.....

 

http://www.cesweb.org/Awards/CES-Innovations-Awards/2013.aspx

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butch1 replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 8:48 AM

i Rex,

I'm not impressed because I KNOW the perfection of a separates system for £1700.

Design wise I really hated it - I wanted to kick it and i'm not a violent person! I love design, I love the BS8/A8 but this is nasty

I have to agree with paul w.I also dont like the design,its too clumsy looking and sticks out to far from wall.No stereo seperation also.You are better off with a pair of speakers connected to a playmaker.
,I think B&o quality and design in general is going done hill,the craftmanship of the early days,is being sacrificed for mass production with cheaper materials,its all about making profit,at the end of the day,I can see that.
Mercedes have done it. in the past moving production to africa,and using cheaper paint etc,but it showed on the build quality.
Beoplay audio products should be price pointed under £1000 like the a8,which is fantastic in what it offers,but the a9 is too expensive for what it offers in sound,design and quality.
just my opinion though.

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Flappo replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 9:30 AM

I agree .

In the old days bno looked different but amazing , the new stuff looks different but in an awful way.

Breeze block radios , kick drum speakers and tvs that look like a box of corn flakes.

David Lewis must be spinning in his grave. No disrespect to a great man intended.

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"Breeze block radios , kick drum speakers and tvs that look like a box of corn flakes."

Eh?! Care to elaborate? I know that recent designs are a little quirky, but I'm struggling to find anything which resembles a box of Corn Flakes!?

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Flappo replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 2:18 PM

The v1 and its ikea like flat pack back is an atrocious bit of design.

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jkhamler replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 3:31 PM

You say that smugly as if it is an irrefutable scientific fact rather your own (blunt) opinion.

I admire them for at least trying something original rather than churning out an another iteration of a brushed aluminium and glass status symbol of willy-waving wealth, which obviously wouldn't be viable to sit in the V1 price bracket anyway.

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Peter replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 3:41 PM

I like the recent products - I think the A9 shows an interesting take on a stand alone speaker and the Beolit is design wise a true throwback  - better if it had better wireless though. The V1 is clearly not in the same league as the BV7 in terms of materials but the picture and sound seem jolly good. As it is an MX alternative, I think B&O have done a good job. Clearly it will not appeal to everyone but it would be odd if it did!

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 3:47 PM

jkhamler:

You say that smugly as if it is an irrefutable scientific fact rather your own (blunt) opinion.

I admire them for at lease trying something original rather than churning out an another iteration of a brushed aluminium and glass status symbol of willy-waving wealth, which obviously wouldn't be viable to sit in the V1 price bracket anyway.

Well said. I agree with you completely.

 

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mbee replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 4:14 PM

You want a "Apple speaker" in rectangular shape with aluminum foot? Just look at a Geneva : that's it, and it is just awful. The A9 is a true BeoPlay product : a different way of thinking design, fresh, fashionable. B&O is there for timeless product with "B&O look" (like the BV11), but there is room for something like the V1.

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Flappo:

I agree .

In the old days bno looked different but amazing , the new stuff looks different but in an awful way.

Breeze block radios , kick drum speakers and tvs that look like a box of corn flakes.

David Lewis must be spinning in his grave. No disrespect to a great man intended.

I am still waiting for my unit to arrive by Feb.

How bad can the design be when it won the IF? 

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cooldude replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 6:51 PM

Razlaw:

jkhamler:

You say that smugly as if it is an irrefutable scientific fact rather your own (blunt) opinion.

I admire them for at lease trying something original rather than churning out an another iteration of a brushed aluminium and glass status symbol of willy-waving wealth, which obviously wouldn't be viable to sit in the V1 price bracket anyway.

Well said. I agree with you completely.

 

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butch1 replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 7:07 PM

The v1 and its ikea like flat pack back is an atrocious bit of design.

 

I have to agree with flappo,regarding the v1,picture and sound quality aside,it looks cheap and is a copy of loewe connect.

I understand the v1 is a entry model, like the mx and beovision1 and 3 were,but at least they looked crafted and built to last ,and looked classy with their full glass fronted screen,which you get on the beovision 7 etc.

,Thats one of the things I loved on beovisions was the ease of cleaning and elegant looks of a one piece glass front,which is the only thing I dislike about my bv5,the screen is a nightmare to clean.

Personally I think a B&o product should have aluminium and glass as part of the design,especially aluminium,as its part of there design history and sets  them apart from the rest ,with theire silver plastic built tvs.

I know I mentioned avants alot,but at the time they were truly worth there price tag,with the aluminium rotating base,bmw car paint ,full glass fronted contrast screen,the list goes on.It was streets ahead of the competition,in sound,picture and build quality.Along with most of the product line during this time.

I never liked the beovision 8 design either,looked cheap.I think beovisions should have a full glass front like avant,bv6,bv7,bv11 etc.They should have kept the beovision/beocenter 6 in the range and made 32/40" versions.

I understand why the beoplay range has been added,but personally only like the a8 which I have,which has more of a b&o mainline design to it,as it was originally designed as a beosound product .

Jacob jenson and god rest his soul david lewis,have designed the best products,and have put b&o were they are today in design terms,with icons being in the range for years and still holding there own in this day and age.

B&o need another designer with the same design principles of these great men,but also a budget to allow the use of better materials,like the good old days.

Just my humble opinion

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As butch1 says, there always had been a cheaper range of B&O tvs but they were still cosmetically and technically ahead of the competition. They looked like B&O products, worth the money.

I'm looking for another tv and compared to the Loewe connect ID the V1 is ugly, cheaper looking and doesn't offer anything extra technically over the Loewe. In fact quite the opposite. All for £700 extra pounds!! Even this fan won't stretch that far.

The other products although not for me, are still technically advanced and powerful, and also cosmetically challenging products. The A9 could prove to be one of those products every aspiring 20-30 something desires as a must for their house or flat.

The Beolit I had was a disaster, but the A8 is fantastic. My first work colleague convert almost bought one today, and he's a tight *** Yorkshireman.

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Flappo replied on Wed, Dec 19 2012 9:23 PM

I agree with butch and I feel the same way that Apple are going as well.

The old virtues of quality and control seem to be going down the plughole of consumer demand.

I fear for the future of design integrity

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It's worth remembering that the V1 is part of the BeoPlay range - which was intended to be completely separate from the 'upmarket' Bang & Olufsen items.

I fear that this hasn't really gone to plan, with visitors to Bang & Olufsen dealers simply viewing the V1 as a cheap and nasty low-end version of the pricier BeoVision products. 

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butch1 replied on Thu, Dec 20 2012 7:24 PM

I also still think should have smaller screen sizes available,not 32" being the entry screen size.There were loads of 21" mx 4002 sold for bedrooms,kitchens etc linked to a large masterset like beovision 5s,then came the beovision 6s which sometimes replaced the mxs.

Alot of people dont want a larger tv for kitchen,bedroom,study etc as it dominates the room,but still want the b&0 experience.I use my beocenter 1 probably more than my other b&o tvs and its the smallest and oldest,its just an ideal size for the bedroom and fantastic picture when watching the news or listening to some music before I nod off.

Look at the days when you had the mx range bv1,bv3 avant,bv4 and 5,there was a style,size and pricepoint that would suit everyone,and the designs were all unique, but had the same design philosophy that made them famous.

Now bv7,11 and gigantic overpriced tvs is your choice.and the plastic beoplay v1.I personally dont like the route b&o are taking,they are alienating the old school customers,to gain new ones from a generation who would rather use a laptop to watch movies and listen to mp3.

I am also a big LINN fan,and they have not strayed from their routes to please a generation,and still have a loyal following ,and think outside of the box and dont follow trends,there ds systems are a revolution to the audio market.There goal in the 70s until present day was to get better sound whatever the cost,and that doesnt include sound degrading mp3s.

B&o should have stuck with their plan of fantastic picture,sound,ease of use,timeless design,with no compromise on build and materials that are built to last.

Instead they are designing, and making products for the throw away generation,when its broke replace it.I dont care about the price of their products,if its well built and looks good people will pay whatever price,look at other luxury brands in furniture,watches,clothes etc.

B&o stop cutting corners to gain more customers from the younger generation,stick to being the brand you started off being,people will pay for iconic danish design,just look at fritz hansen,and other danish design.

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bayerische replied on Sun, Dec 23 2012 12:15 PM

Flappo:

The v1 and its ikea like flat pack back is an atrocious bit of design.

Come on now Flappo, tell us what you are really thinking! Big Smile

 

I agree with you BTW, the V1 hasn't got a hint of B&O DNA in it. And someone please don't use the "it's not B&O, it's Beoplay card"  It's been used too much, is wrinkled, can easily be spotted as such and shouldn't be used in this card game anymore. Stick out tongue

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bayerische replied on Sun, Dec 23 2012 12:23 PM

I wonder how long B&O (sub brand included) would last as a company if it was founded today?

 

Without it's "inheritance" and branding.

 

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kokomo replied on Sun, Dec 23 2012 2:31 PM

butch1:
I understand the v1 is a entry model, like the mx and beovision1 and 3 were,

 

The Beovision 3 an 'entry 'level' model? When I bought one years ago, it was very expensive. Hardly an 'entry level' model into the general TV market!

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butch1 replied on Sun, Dec 23 2012 5:50 PM

he Beovision 3 an 'entry 'level' model? When I bought one years ago, it was very expensive. Hardly an 'entry level' model into the general TV market!

 

It was a entry model for a b&o tv as the 32" was £2500 and the 28" cheaper,it was for people who could not stretch to £5200 for a 32 avant or a £12500 bv5,Yes it maybe seemed expensive to you at the time compared to sony and panansonic etc but for a 32" b&o tv it was cheap.

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