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Hi,
Mk3 lasers you can find in playback parts of CD recorders eg. Marantz DR 4050 or Philips CDR 775 CDR 779.
I (still/bought in the last year) have a mk3 but never actually connected it yet, it's so pretty though
I just love to look at it and it has a prominent place in the livingroom. but I also very much like the look of the bs5, it's so futuristic looking! Haven't used one much, so I still carry the love I guess lol
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Hi - currently listening to the 9000 MK2. Also have one MK1 still running. There I am facing the issue, that the lid only opens with fingerhelp. Still iconic item. Would buy one, if not owning
Still using mine I bought when they first hit the US, oh, what, 97 or 98? So, obviously a Mk I, had the laser replaced in the early/mid 2000s, it still works. Had it on the wall vertically, now have it on the stand as in your picture. This was the very first piece of audio gear that, when I first saw it, I said I have to own, just on appearance. Other gear I bought based on function or specs or whatever, but never pure lust. Still a beautiful piece, though I seldom play CDs but use it to connect my Auralic or Beogram to my BL9s.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
http://www.av-repairs.com/cd-laser-repair are just down the road from me. I had my laser replaced in November last year.
I really love my Beosound 9000.
I have had a 9000 mk 3 for a long time and its been used most nights .
I must get the white one out of its box .........
I still have my MK1 from 1996. I had the laser replaced in 2004, so still working well. It holds the only 6 CDs I still own, including the first CD I ever owned from 1984.
BeoLab 5, BeoVision 7-55 MK2, BeoSound 5 Encore, BeoSound 9000, BeoLab Penta III, BeoLab 8000, BeoLab 6000, BeoLab 2, BeoLab 7-6, BeoSound 8, BeoTime (analog clock), Beo 4 remote.
I bought an BS 9000 MK2 in 2018. It is in heavy use every day for radio and cd.
I use it with two Beolab 18. the aux input is connected with playmaker an there is my rega turntable.
All works fine and i am lucky.
I've got one for a couple of days…Found it cheap, bought it thinking to make a "coup".
I've been struggling to take it back from a certain death as the motor and wires making the sledge move were missing.Luckily it has been all sorted out and now I just need to replace the laser (waiting the end of the coronavirus to order the part).
But the new issue is that even if I will, I dont really want to sell it. I would like to keep it even if I dont have the place to hang it (V wall bracket) or even have use of CD's anymore. But, as already said, it is just so iconic I dont really want to let it go. Even just as a display for the 6 last beautiful CD you may have keep, it shines. True B&O design in my opinion.
Since I don't often listen to CDs in mine, I keep it loaded with a set of the B&O display discs that B&O used at the dealers. They're attractive, and contain quite a variety of music, which made them good store demo sources.
But it is to me truly iconic. I started off with BL8000s with it, but when we moved to a new house the living room was so huge they got lost in it, so now I use BL9s with it.
Jeff: I keep it loaded with a set of the B&O display discs that B&O used at the dealers. They're attractive, and contain quite a variety of music,
Would you mind to show us what it looks?
matador43:Would you mind to show us what it looks?
I still have my BeoSound 9000 and use it for comparing different masterings of CDs. However, for day-to-day listening I use a Beogram CD 5500, as it's better sounding machine, even as a transport.
politician:I still have my BeoSound 9000 and use it for comparing different masterings of CDs. However, for day-to-day listening I use a Beogram CD 5500, as it's better sounding machine, even as a transport.
Yes. My dealer and I tested one against my BeoSound 9000, both using S/PDIF connecting to my BeoLab 90s, and the Beogram CD 5500 sounded better.
Looks like a new "reissue" mission to me if I ever get my 9000 back to work…
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seethroughyou: matador43: Would you mind to show us what it looks? Yes, photos please! Some BS9000 pornography please!!!
matador43: Would you mind to show us what it looks?
Yes, photos please!
Some BS9000 pornography please!!!
I'll see if I can get a way to post photos, I'm not a part of any photo sharing service alas.
seethroughyou: They say the mk1 is to be avoided, the mk3 lasers are no longer available.
They say the mk1 is to be avoided, the mk3 lasers are no longer available.
Just find yourself a mk3 version with a new laser. All mk1's are becoming pretty unstable. The mk2 is next in line. All due to aging components inside at all boards.
The mk3 has a modified sledge with better detection at the bottom and the sledge probably moves smoother due to the less decreased rubber around the wheels. Avoid all mk3 beginning with serialnumber beginning with 15xxx.
If you're interested, I have here a mk3, which will be supplied with a new original laser. (It isn't mine, but it's for sale I know) It has a serial number starting with 20xx.
PM me if interested.
BTW, all BS9000's, which are placed vertical on a stand, are more sensitive for failures with lasers.
Beobuddy: BTW, all BS9000's, which are placed vertical on a stand, are more sensitive for failures with lasers.
Beobuddy, is this a general recommendation to place the Besosound 9000 horizontally (and possibly resting on a flat surface) for the sake of the product's longevity?
Could you elaborate a bit. I own the floor stand and like the vertical appearance, but I find the horisontal wall mounting equally appealing. Bearing in mind what you write, I am now considering how to place it on a chest of drawers or the like.
If the product fails due to its vertical position, what items would need replacing? The belt?
Best regards!
StKong: Beobuddy, is this a general recommendation to place the Besosound 9000 horizontally (and possibly resting on a flat surface) for the sake of the product's longevity? Could you elaborate a bit. I own the floor stand and like the vertical appearance, but I find the horisontal wall mounting equally appealing. Bearing in mind what you write, I am now considering how to place it on a chest of drawers or the like.
I can.
I've seen and had BS9000's in for repair, but after looking at the servicemenu, some of the units had only a few hours/days of socalled "playing hours" with the CD. So, I found it strange that a laser could fail within this short time of usage.
After some investigation I found that the lens was the culprit. The lens hangs in some kind of suspension. After years of "hanging", the suspension doesn't keep the lens right in the middle, where it belongs. The (electric) coils around the lens (which are focussing the lens), can adapt to this, but only to a certain amount. If you take out the complete pickup element, you will see that the lens isn't positioned in the exact centre anymore. The weight of the lens in combination with gravity is the reason for this.
So, yes, placing the BS9000 horizontally on a cabinet will extend the life of the laser.This also happens with lasers which are placed in a BS3000/3200 etc. With all these units the laser is placed vertically..
I've tried to replace the suspension with another one, but that's a hell of a job. Certain parts are adjusted and glued in place.
There are more reasons why a cd won't start, of which the culprit lays outside the pickup element. itself.
seethroughyou:I would really like to understand why two different CD machines outputting ones and zeros would sound different into the same DAC.
So would I, as logically they should have been identical. However, my dealer discovered a boxed and apparently unused Beogram CD 5500 in his storeroom, and we decided to do a shootout. We hooked it up to my BeoLab 90s via S/PDIF, like my BeoSound 9000, to see what would happen. On the test track we used (Mandy Morton Band's "Ice Queen", which is one of the best recorded songs I've ever heard) the bass, drums and soundstage were identical, but there was a layer of treble information with the CD 5500 that simply wasn't there with the BS9000. As my dealer Dan put it, "it sounds more like live music".
politician: seethroughyou:I would really like to understand why two different CD machines outputting ones and zeros would sound different into the same DAC. So would I, as logically they should have been identical. However, my dealer discovered a boxed and apparently unused Beogram CD 5500 in his storeroom, and we decided to do a shootout. We hooked it up to my BeoLab 90s via S/PDIF, like my BeoSound 9000, to see what would happen. On the test track we used (Mandy Morton Band's "Ice Queen", which is one of the best recorded songs I've ever heard) the bass, drums and soundstage were identical, but there was a layer of treble information with the CD 5500 that simply wasn't there with the BS9000. As my dealer Dan put it, "it sounds more like live music".
I would just make the comment that unless the test was double blinded it's very, very easy to fool yourself. There was a demo test once where they used a "cheap crap" Japanese integrated amp (I think it was a Yamaha) against some very well regarded high end amp with a big A/B switch. People were allowed to switch back and forth and describe what they heard as the differences, the high end amp was oh so smooth and detailed, the Japanese amp was shallow and grainy, etc. Turns out the switch was not connected to anything, they were listening to the Japanese amp all the time. I've personally experienced similar things, so it's very easy to find differences that are illusory.
That's perfectly true, if one goes into the test believing that one component will outperform another. However, my expectation was that they would sound identical, and they clearly did not.
politician: That's perfectly true, if one goes into the test believing that one component will outperform another. However, my expectation was that they would sound identical, and they clearly did not.
In my experience and that of people who I know who've done a lot more testing than I have, what your expectations are doesn't matter. Though obviously if you really expect a difference you will probably convince yourself you hear one. As the old saying and its corollary goes: It's very hard to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if he isn't there. But if you really want him to be there you can easily convince yourself you hear him purr whether he's there or not.
Were there differences in how you connected to the S/PDIF inputs of the speakers? Were they using different inputs? Would have loved to be there and play, mysteries like this always are fun, and often instructive.
No, same input. Not the same S/PDIF cable, though, so it's perfectly possible that we were hearing a difference in cables not players (though this takes us even further into the area of audiophilia nervosa). I can say with certainty that there was a clear audible difference – and it was in the treble – when we played that song through the two decks into my BeoLab 90s. Whether there would be an audible difference on other recordings, I cannot say.
politician:No, same input. Not the same S/PDIF cable, though, so it's perfectly possible that we were hearing a difference in cables not players (though this takes us even further into the area of audiophilia nervosa). I can say with certainty that there was a clear audible difference – and it was in the treble – when we played that song through the two decks into my BeoLab 90s. Whether there would be an audible difference on other recordings, I cannot say.
No.
Since I know nothing about the speakers, I am curious, optical or coax S/PDIF?
The S/PDIF input is coax. The Lab 90s have a separate Optical input, which I use for my universal disk player.
I knew the sources were coax but wasn't sure about the BL, was wondering if there was an optical to coax converter in the woodpile somewhere. Not using the same cable for both adds an unfortunate additional variable, and not blinding the test does as well, though it's interesting. A repeat with controls for those things, if it showed the same results, would be very interesting indeed. Then of course the fun begins, trying to find out why there's a difference.
Of course I've read about coax being subject to issues if the impedance of the cable is way off, but I also have not seen that happen in the real world nor heard about it although I've read about damaged cables before.
I have one I hanging on my living room wall that I have been using daily since I bought it in 1998. I still buy Cds when I can as I like to own my music and have the liner notes. Always a conversation starter and visitors are just amazed when they see it and watch it work!
Go ahead and get what you want. To keep mine current I've paired it with a BeoCore and Nativ Digital music player so I can stream and get music that isn't available on CD.
The BeoSound 9000 is certainly the most visually striking CD player B&O ever made, and its multi-play capability has its uses (principally to compare different versions of the same album without having to load and unload discs). But since the CD 7000 is identical to the CD 5500 aside from the brushless spindle motor, any sonic difference (if you can detect one) is not likely to be in the BS9000's favour.