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Yeah I agree it is a little poor but I am renowned to the fact that I can wait until the next one with upgraded panel but then the cost will be too high so happy medium for me.
I got a good deal "i think" with PX my moment and avant and it made it possible (just) to make the switch.
I could buy a new one but cannot justify the cost in my mind.
Still three years time I willl upgrade again, I am not sure what advancements on pic quality I would actually notice, the best HD experience I have for picture quality was my laser eye treatment in 2017, no one can beat that UHD vision
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LG panels do not support HDR 10+
But that should not be an issue (and indeed most dont seem to care), because Dolby Vision is the pre-eminent dynamic HDR format. The LG panel does support HDR (static), Dolby Vision (dynamic HDR), and HLG (broadcast HDR format).
The X series LGs will pass through Atmos audio through the HDMI eARC - but the B&O sound centre does not support object based audio.
Some will say that the TrueImage processing does a plenty good enough job when you expand your speaker capability to more than 5.1, by adding height channels. 5.1 is enough for me though, and I haven't really tried proper Atmos, so I cant comment on whether the TrueImage 7.1 (with height) comes close or not.
Michael:I am also a bit curious about Dolby Atmos and common audio and video formats of today. The current models does not accept atmos as far as I know. Not sure if they support the different video HDR formats either. An updated model should be updated to also have support for this, right?
No updates on the Eclipse today right? People were talking about today but guess just Halo came out. So another few more months of wait?
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Sandyb:LG panels do not support HDR 10+ But that should not be an issue (and indeed most dont seem to care), because Dolby Vision is the pre-eminent dynamic HDR format. The LG panel does support HDR (static), Dolby Vision (dynamic HDR), and HLG (broadcast HDR format). The X series LGs will pass through Atmos audio through the HDMI eARC - but the B&O sound centre does not support object based audio. Some will say that the TrueImage processing does a plenty good enough job when you expand your speaker capability to more than 5.1, by adding height channels. 5.1 is enough for me though, and I haven't really tried proper Atmos, so I cant comment on whether the TrueImage 7.1 (with height) comes close or not.
Michael:Regarding atmos, Isnt it ridiculous that the beosound stage supports atmos but the ten times more expensive Eclipse and Harmony sets does not? Beolab 50, Beolab 20, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9i, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Avant 55, BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
Michael:Yes, but I am expecting it to be part of the new Eclipse.
I would not be that optimistic.
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I'd say that is very very unlikely.
The Stage has up-firing speakers as an inherent part of its design, so it had to have some Atmos handling ability.
While it would be sensible for Atmos capability to be added to the Eclipse / Harmony I guess, you can bet your bottom dollar that B&O wont add it. They will assume that either (1) TrueImage is more than sufficient and a decent proxy (no idea if that's really true), or that (2) too few of their customers are that bothered by full Atmos setups. After all, everyone (B&O included) seem to report selling fewer surround packages than years ago.
You may hope, but I would suggest expectation is the wrong way to prepare yourself.
Michael:Yes, but I am expecting it to be part of the new Eclipse. And it should be part of the Harmony already.
Sandyb:I'd say that is very very unlikely. The Stage has up-firing speakers as an inherent part of its design, so it had to have some Atmos handling ability. While it would be sensible for Atmos capability to be added to the Eclipse / Harmony I guess, you can bet your bottom dollar that B&O wont add it. They will assume that either (1) TrueImage is more than sufficient and a decent proxy (no idea if that's really true), or that (2) too few of their customers are that bothered by full Atmos setups. After all, everyone (B&O included) seem to report selling fewer surround packages than years ago. You may hope, but I would suggest expectation is the wrong way to prepare yourself.
I don't think it's as simple as that, the dolby atmos part is an upscaler like the trueImage is and you can't run them both at the same time. Even if you could, dolby would not allow it. secondly the switching between the dolby upscaler for movies and the trueImage for music would need to be flawless for us a customers. I think it's not a lack of them wanting, but more the practical side of things of how to built it all in to one system and if dolby would even allow that with licencing and all that.
Mikipidia:I don't think it's as simple as that, the dolby atmos part is an upscaler like the trueImage is and you can't run them both at the same time. Even if you could, dolby would not allow it. secondly the switching between the dolby upscaler for movies and the trueImage for music would need to be flawless for us a customers. I think it's not a lack of them wanting, but more the practical side of things of how to built it all in to one system and if dolby would even allow that with licencing and all that. New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beolab 3's, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0 Mikipedia on YouTube (finally ) https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia Old: Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 1's, Beolab 2, Beovision 10-46, Overture 2300, beolab 8000's, Beolab 4000's, Beovision avant 32" etc. etc.
Mikipidia:Atmos can be 2.0, atmos suffers from terrible marketing and explanation of what it actually is. Atmos can go on headphones and even technically a single point speaker. It’s an upscaler with virtualization for 3d audio. It’s not a speaker preset so to say. It is almost exactly what trueimage is but with 3d meta data. Henrik had several rants about it on the podcast as he works with this stuff proffesionally and also used to be in to the whole cinema thing on the side. In Henrik’s interview with Geoff, Geoff even said that the whole system room acoustic mic thing was good, but tended to have a measurable deficiancy compared to old fashioned measuring for distance etc. And that’s why they didn’t implement it in the eclipse and harmony. (Slightly paraphrasing) you can look it up on BOTF/ Bang & Olufsen teknisk forum on YT for the interview. New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beolab 3's, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0 Mikipedia on YouTube (finally ) https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia Old: Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 1's, Beolab 2, Beovision 10-46, Overture 2300, beolab 8000's, Beolab 4000's, Beovision avant 32" etc. etc.
Hi Michael
I am following this forum concerning mixing and matching inital soundcenters with newer LG panels. You are stating following: 'Even a regular CX panel works flawlessly with the Soundcenter........
How do you come to this statement? I am currently trying to make the combination of a initial Soundcenter with a new LG OLED65CX6 and nothing is working flawlessly using the B&O app on the LG TV and the Beoremote One BT for remote control. Practically no function is working.
Do you have an own experience or do you know other people which have managed to make it work beside 'spezializten' with C9 77" LG TV?
Regards - Christian
Do you have both the HDMI and Cat cable running between them? If not, then most won't work right to begin with.
Like a couple of others - I’m intrigued to know whether the v1 soundcentre can work with the 2020 LG CX oled screens.
It’s an easy answer to getting my Lab 6000’s running with a B&O centre and Beoremote One controlled - but B&O are still investigating ....
ToeKneeAus: Like a couple of others - I’m intrigued to know whether the v1 soundcentre can work with the 2020 LG CX oled screens. It’s an easy answer to getting my Lab 6000’s running with a B&O centre and Beoremote One controlled - but B&O are still investigating ....
As far as I know the SoundCenter Eclipse MK1 has a shape that is made specifically for the B&O version of the C7 panel. That one is not the same cut out as newer panels. A few people have used SoundCenter Eclipse MK1 with other screens such as CX and I think that have worked well. But this is not an official solution and requires you to mount the panel/tv separately if you can not make a custom mount or such.
Hi Mikipidia
Thx for your good advise. These connections are in place and i also tested it also with other cables which did not make a difference.
Please be informed, that i managed yesterday in my desesperation to make it work....but only with my iPhone B&O app. As i had already my Essence (with an Ouverture) registered in the B&O app, i thought why not trying once to register the 'Eclipse' in this app. And oh wonder the registration process went throught and for the first time i could chose the defined resources (from the LG B&O app) and also the volume level regulation worked for the first time.
But still a very frustrating BR1 which is not working starting the defined resources and also not able to regulate sound level. I already made a factory reset with the BR1 and got loaded all configurations on it, but still no success.
Any idea about this BR1 problem?
Regards
Christian
Hi ToeKneeAus
Please have a look on my last post to Mikipedia about my success to make the selfmade Eclipse work with a V1 Soundcenter and my new LG OLED65CS model. The real 'helpful' functions work currently only with my iPhone app and not with the BR1.
Michael: As far as I know the SoundCenter Eclipse MK1 has a shape that is made specifically for the B&O version of the C7 panel. That one is not the same cut out as newer panels. A few people have used SoundCenter Eclipse MK1 with other screens such as CX and I think that have worked well. But this is not an official solution and requires you to mount the panel/tv separately if you can not make a custom mount or such.
Hi Michael and all
I did mount my LG CX6 (single tuner/speaker in the rear housing) panel simply on the standard provided soundcenter mounting brackets. I had to enlarge slightly the standard opening (for the original LG foot) on each side (left/right) by cutting away 1.5mm on the protruding plastic stops (Dremel or good knife). The screw openings fitted perfectly. I also inserted some shims to tilt the panel more upward instead of leaning back.
The CX model has also the power button and the IR receiver in the middle of the lower edge (underneath). There is enough space available for this protruding part. If you mount then the speaker cover, you are covering the power button and IR receiver and if you want to have the IR receiver work, you have to produce a acrylic prisma (4mm thick plate of about 30x20mm with 45 degree chamfered edge which mirrors the IR signal) and mount it just behind the cover and in front of the screen that it protrudes a little bit over the speaker cover.
Concerning the cut outs on the aluminium backside of the Soundcenter, the panel stands over the rounded backside of the Soundcenter and you could easily make a nice aluminium cover over the whole width of the Soundcenter to cover the openings of these cutouts. I will work on this to make it perfect.
So at the end a nice picture when it's done then.
I got you and i am aware, that the B&O provided ethernet cable has to be connected from the soundcenter to the LG TV. I am also aware, that the Beoremote One BT has to be paired with the soundcenter either by using the B&O app (service) or the little button on the bottom of the soundcenter.
I am already in a discussion with a user 'spezializten' in another Forum https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/28183/301054.aspx#301054 where he states, that he has realized a combination of SC V1 and a LG C9 77" panel and 99% of the functions are working also with the V1 DSSE.
So there is probably a difference from C9 to CX, but where could it be, that the BR1 is making troubles.
ToeKneeAus: Like a couple of others - I’m intrigued to know whether the v1 soundcentre can work with the 2020 LG CX oled screens.
You can't drop in the CX panel on a v1 Eclipse. The original Eclipse was a custom panel (in terms of the rear) and how it interacted with the soundcenter. It's not a stock panel where you can drop in a new one.
When the original Eclipse was released, some dealers assumed this would be the case and wrongly told people they'd be able to drop in a new panel later - my dealer told me the same thing. They didn't realise it wasn't a stock C7 panel.
And has Michael has rightly pointed out, the original was designed to mimic the C7 panel, not the CX, so even if you could find a way to drop in a new panel, the bottom part would look wrong and not match the CX design!
You'd be better off selling the Eclipse v1 ASAP. You'd still get a half-reasonable price for it, then move up to the v2.
moxxey: then move up to the v2.
then move up to the v2.
So the soundcenter of the v2 eclipse can work with any, some, only the ones that have the a9 processor or all LG OLED panels?
Sorry if this has been asked before but I am getting a bit confused.
Tassos: moxxey: then move up to the v2. So the soundcenter of the v2 eclipse can work with any, some, only the ones that have the a9 processor or all LG OLED panels? Sorry if this has been asked before but I am getting a bit confused.
It can work with all OLED Screens from 2019 and 2020 except the B series which have the A7 processor.
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Does anyone know when the V2 65 inch is due out??
But how about the slit on top of the soundcenter? isn't it cut specifically for GX to have the seamless fit?
Emil Jensen: Tassos: moxxey: then move up to the v2. So the soundcenter of the v2 eclipse can work with any, some, only the ones that have the a9 processor or all LG OLED panels? Sorry if this has been asked before but I am getting a bit confused. It can work with all OLED Screens from 2019 and 2020 except the B series which have the A7 processor.
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chickenceo: But how about the slit on top of the soundcenter? isn't it cut specifically for GX to have the seamless fit? Emil Jensen: Tassos: moxxey: then move up to the v2. So the soundcenter of the v2 eclipse can work with any, some, only the ones that have the a9 processor or all LG OLED panels? Sorry if this has been asked before but I am getting a bit confused. It can work with all OLED Screens from 2019 and 2020 except the B series which have the A7 processor.
My reply is only relevant if you want to use the soundcenter as a more capable Beosound Stage/Beosystem 4
I you want motor stand, or the possibility to make it fit together, you have to buy a Soundcenter 55" and a GX 55"
Great job on this!
Hi Christian.
I had the exact same problem when trying to integrate a C9 panel with the soundcenter... it turned out that the Ethernet cable connecting the panel to the sound-center, provided by B&O, was DEFECTIVE. I changed the cable and everything started working fine just like Spezialisten.
tobeyone: Does anyone know when the V2 65 inch is due out??
I was told January. I have a GX 65 and wondered if I could place it on an Eclipse v2 stand.
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Hi flatwhite
Interesting. Spezializten also advised to do this, but with no succes.
Just to check with you what this could mean, when looking at the LG configuration menus for 'Connection Settings'.
Currently i see 'Wi-Fi Connection' stating 'Connected to the Internet' from the LG TV to my Wi-Fi. The status of the 'Wired Connection (Ethernet)' is 'Not Connected', even that the B&O provided cable for the Soundcenter connection is connected to the backside ethernet port of my LG panel and from there to the hidden connector at the top side of the Soundcenter. Should there eventually be a 'Connected to the Internet' for the wired connection to make the communication work between the Soundcenter and the LG TV?
Please find attached a configuration snapshot from my current LG connection status and could you compare these with your LG TV settings?
Thx for a timely reply :-)
Go to the B&O app with the LG remote and check if you can access the settings and change them.
There is also a video on Youtube explaining how to setup the Harmony once the B&O software has been installed. At some point, the TV and Sound Center have to be turned off and on to allow the two units to synchronize. Follow exactly the same steps.
Good luck,
Jean
Hi Jean
I checked if i can change any settings for the wired connection part with the LG remote. The only thing would be to deconnect the Soundcenter ethernet cable and connect a cable from my LAN to the LG ethernet port. Then the wired connection shows as active connection, but the B&O app states, that the soundcenter has been disconnected. So this is not the way to go.
Is the wired connection status 'Connected' when connected to the soundcenter or is 'No connection' as shown in my snapshot?
You mentioned a video for a first time setup of a Harmony. Is it this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IX1atooyKQ ?
If not, could you give me a link to this video?
Christian: Hi Jean I checked if i can change any settings for the wired connection part with the LG remote. The only thing would be to deconnect the Soundcenter ethernet cable and connect a cable from my LAN to the LG ethernet port. Then the wired connection shows as active connection, but the B&O app states, that the soundcenter has been disconnected. So this is not the way to go. Is the wired connection status 'Connected' when connected to the soundcenter or is 'No connection' as shown in my snapshot? You mentioned a video for a first time setup of a Harmony. Is it this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IX1atooyKQ ? If not, could you give me a link to this video? Regards Christian
Yes, this is the right video. If you have followed these steps carefully, that should work if the sound center is indeed compatible.
I have a V1 Eclipse (with the normal C7 B&O screen) and the wired LAN connection menu item said also not connected but my TV obviously works properly. So, this is not the issue. Are the TV, MUSIC and List buttons on the Beoremote ahowing options? Are you also able to change options in the B&O app such as sound settings and sources ?
I am curious. Will the soundcentre v2 work with non-LG oled as well?
chickenceo: I am curious. Will the soundcentre v2 work with non-LG oled as well?
The LG has software built in to it (bios) and the B&O app which are both required to connect to the sound center or Stage. This is to allow control via the BeoRemote etc.