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It seems like I am more or less more and more the exact audience they talk about. My home is full and have a BV and I use AP2/CC more and more. I haven't used beolink for atleast two weeks now and I don't feel I miss it although it's nice to have and I fully agree they shouldn't get rid of it at all. Especially now that it's all basically flawless in operation. It's an odd decision but I do understand it if I look critically at my own usage.
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Agree with pretty much all you wrote.
It may well be that multi-room audio is not actually used as much as we think, in the same way that surround setups with TV's are much less popular than they used to be.
As such, keeping the music streaming experience relatively simple (and not devoting internal resources to it) has some logic to it.
But that all said, and as you imply, selling very expensive Airplay / CC speakers to the "general" consumer with only simple requirements is a mismatched strategy (or risks that anyway).
I suspect the decision to remove NL goes hand in hand with a decision to remove internal audio sources.
What follows from that is the BR One as a controller of more than just the TV experience will be gone.
How the Halo substitutes for this remains to be seen - but as I've said before, I'd dial down expectations of something that ticks everyones boxes.
Millemissen: Fansastic: Sandyb: I watched last nights podcast, excellent format, quick and snappy, really like it. On a different note, the answer to the question about NL removal given I do find a little dismissive. To me its not a simple question of "well just Airplay / CC your music, job done". At a basic level that does work of course. But a big part of the charm, and differentiating factor, is the ability to wander up to a product and touch it to join. That will be gone going forward, and a poor outcome for some at least. (I'd love some granularity on this 90%/10% usage stat - the devil is always in the detail, and its a convenient broad stat to hide behind, to a point). In addition, sharing other sources (be it TV audio, vinyl, or others) will be lost too - again, another differentiating factor removed. Even if only 10% use these non-vanilla functions, then I'd like to see some recognition that their removal just leaves B&O as an(other) maker of wireless speakers (AP2/CC). Going after a younger demographic is perfectly understandable, but I'm not sure why the two usages need to be mutually exclusive going forward. I completely agree with you and still cannot understand the decision B&O made in this matter. The hardware of NL Multiroom is 100% bulletproof and I do need see there is a lot of software maintenance also. I personally want to use a B&O interface only because I feel it is special and so nice to use. All my gear is handled through remote/app/touch to join. Off course you are only able to do so when you have a lot of B&O gear, hence the little target group for the Multiroom. But to eliminate this feature is a huge mistake. If it is possible to have BS1/2 with or without GVA, why not put NL multiroom as a option in the new gear! The thing what I’m frustrated about especially: there seems to be just a minor group of users that is frustrated about it. On the upside, both Willy and Henrik from Mikepedia’s broadcast are as critical as I am! And you off course Sandyb! There are more people in that boat - I certainly am! I too fail to understand why the link function has to be removed. Sure there has been changes to ‘link’ over the years, but the old gen ‘link’ was replaced by a new version of ‘link’. And having to have you smartphone/tablet ready all the time is not ‘link’. It may be a way to do multiroom.....for those, who carry their phone everywhere in the home all the time. But it is nowhere near, what we are used to with ‘link’ in this and all previous versions. And - basicly - I have nothing against changes....as long as changes improve things. Promote and demonstrate and sell the AP2/CC multiroom as much as you want, but keep what has some B&O origin in it. I am not happy with the thought that I won’t be able to use my remote control for the new/coming gear (should I buy some of it). As for John having problems demonstrating Touch to Join in the shop - it might be because you have far too many devices. Maybe a seperate home-like situation in the shop with 2 tv’s and 2-3 audio devices (like Sandyb wrote), would have been easier to handle in order to sell B&O multiroom. On the other hand - I do understand the dealers.....it is far easier just to demonstrate how you can group some speakers with the AP menu. But you can do that with a lot of products, that are available today. Leaves the question: can a dealer convince the costumer, that a B&O device is sooooo much better - considering the price tag. And can B&O as a company make products that stand out against other devices in the market? It is a fact, that - along with the convenience trend - people do care less and less for audio quality.....music has in most cases become just something for background listening, a sound tapetry in the home. Which is kind of ok - but not all there is to music! Will B&O be able to survive making expensive quality audio devices for a small market that is willing to pay the price.........even if there is not much difference in the functionallity? My pledge - keep the NL and the beoremote controlling for the rumoured 10 %...........these 10% might be the ones who generate 30-40% of the overall sales including buying BV’s!!! I doubt that the average AP2/CC costumer will want to invest in an expensive tv solution from B&O. Start demonstrating CC and AP2 in the shops ............and watch out for those who want more, then demonstrate B&O link and BeoRemote/Essence Remote controlling. Personally I will try to keep my current stuff going for as long as possible....since I am very pleased with my setup. I do highly admire the sound/sound possibilities of a device like the Balance (excellent job from the acoustic department etc). But it will not find a place at my home........unless they would rethink this strategy. MM
Fansastic: Sandyb: I watched last nights podcast, excellent format, quick and snappy, really like it. On a different note, the answer to the question about NL removal given I do find a little dismissive. To me its not a simple question of "well just Airplay / CC your music, job done". At a basic level that does work of course. But a big part of the charm, and differentiating factor, is the ability to wander up to a product and touch it to join. That will be gone going forward, and a poor outcome for some at least. (I'd love some granularity on this 90%/10% usage stat - the devil is always in the detail, and its a convenient broad stat to hide behind, to a point). In addition, sharing other sources (be it TV audio, vinyl, or others) will be lost too - again, another differentiating factor removed. Even if only 10% use these non-vanilla functions, then I'd like to see some recognition that their removal just leaves B&O as an(other) maker of wireless speakers (AP2/CC). Going after a younger demographic is perfectly understandable, but I'm not sure why the two usages need to be mutually exclusive going forward. I completely agree with you and still cannot understand the decision B&O made in this matter. The hardware of NL Multiroom is 100% bulletproof and I do need see there is a lot of software maintenance also. I personally want to use a B&O interface only because I feel it is special and so nice to use. All my gear is handled through remote/app/touch to join. Off course you are only able to do so when you have a lot of B&O gear, hence the little target group for the Multiroom. But to eliminate this feature is a huge mistake. If it is possible to have BS1/2 with or without GVA, why not put NL multiroom as a option in the new gear! The thing what I’m frustrated about especially: there seems to be just a minor group of users that is frustrated about it. On the upside, both Willy and Henrik from Mikepedia’s broadcast are as critical as I am! And you off course Sandyb!
Sandyb: I watched last nights podcast, excellent format, quick and snappy, really like it. On a different note, the answer to the question about NL removal given I do find a little dismissive. To me its not a simple question of "well just Airplay / CC your music, job done". At a basic level that does work of course. But a big part of the charm, and differentiating factor, is the ability to wander up to a product and touch it to join. That will be gone going forward, and a poor outcome for some at least. (I'd love some granularity on this 90%/10% usage stat - the devil is always in the detail, and its a convenient broad stat to hide behind, to a point). In addition, sharing other sources (be it TV audio, vinyl, or others) will be lost too - again, another differentiating factor removed. Even if only 10% use these non-vanilla functions, then I'd like to see some recognition that their removal just leaves B&O as an(other) maker of wireless speakers (AP2/CC). Going after a younger demographic is perfectly understandable, but I'm not sure why the two usages need to be mutually exclusive going forward.
I watched last nights podcast, excellent format, quick and snappy, really like it.
On a different note, the answer to the question about NL removal given I do find a little dismissive.
To me its not a simple question of "well just Airplay / CC your music, job done".
At a basic level that does work of course. But a big part of the charm, and differentiating factor, is the ability to wander up to a product and touch it to join. That will be gone going forward, and a poor outcome for some at least. (I'd love some granularity on this 90%/10% usage stat - the devil is always in the detail, and its a convenient broad stat to hide behind, to a point).
In addition, sharing other sources (be it TV audio, vinyl, or others) will be lost too - again, another differentiating factor removed.
Even if only 10% use these non-vanilla functions, then I'd like to see some recognition that their removal just leaves B&O as an(other) maker of wireless speakers (AP2/CC). Going after a younger demographic is perfectly understandable, but I'm not sure why the two usages need to be mutually exclusive going forward.
I completely agree with you and still cannot understand the decision B&O made in this matter. The hardware of NL Multiroom is 100% bulletproof and I do need see there is a lot of software maintenance also. I personally want to use a B&O interface only because I feel it is special and so nice to use. All my gear is handled through remote/app/touch to join. Off course you are only able to do so when you have a lot of B&O gear, hence the little target group for the Multiroom. But to eliminate this feature is a huge mistake. If it is possible to have BS1/2 with or without GVA, why not put NL multiroom as a option in the new gear!
The thing what I’m frustrated about especially: there seems to be just a minor group of users that is frustrated about it. On the upside, both Willy and Henrik from Mikepedia’s broadcast are as critical as I am! And you off course Sandyb!
There are more people in that boat - I certainly am!
I too fail to understand why the link function has to be removed.
Sure there has been changes to ‘link’ over the years, but the old gen ‘link’ was replaced by a new version of ‘link’.
And having to have you smartphone/tablet ready all the time is not ‘link’.
It may be a way to do multiroom.....for those, who carry their phone everywhere in the home all the time.
But it is nowhere near, what we are used to with ‘link’ in this and all previous versions.
And - basicly - I have nothing against changes....as long as changes improve things.
Promote and demonstrate and sell the AP2/CC multiroom as much as you want, but keep what has some B&O origin in it.
I am not happy with the thought that I won’t be able to use my remote control for the new/coming gear (should I buy some of it).
As for John having problems demonstrating Touch to Join in the shop - it might be because you have far too many devices.
Maybe a seperate home-like situation in the shop with 2 tv’s and 2-3 audio devices (like Sandyb wrote), would have been easier to handle in order to sell B&O multiroom.
On the other hand - I do understand the dealers.....it is far easier just to demonstrate how you can group some speakers with the AP menu.
But you can do that with a lot of products, that are available today.
Leaves the question: can a dealer convince the costumer, that a B&O device is sooooo much better - considering the price tag.
And can B&O as a company make products that stand out against other devices in the market?
It is a fact, that - along with the convenience trend - people do care less and less for audio quality.....music has in most cases become just something for background listening, a sound tapetry in the home.
Which is kind of ok - but not all there is to music!
Will B&O be able to survive making expensive quality audio devices for a small market that is willing to pay the price.........even if there is not much difference in the functionallity?
My pledge - keep the NL and the beoremote controlling for the rumoured 10 %...........these 10% might be the ones who generate 30-40% of the overall sales including buying BV’s!!!
I doubt that the average AP2/CC costumer will want to invest in an expensive tv solution from B&O.
Start demonstrating CC and AP2 in the shops ............and watch out for those who want more, then demonstrate B&O link and BeoRemote/Essence Remote controlling.
Personally I will try to keep my current stuff going for as long as possible....since I am very pleased with my setup.
I do highly admire the sound/sound possibilities of a device like the Balance (excellent job from the acoustic department etc).
But it will not find a place at my home........unless they would rethink this strategy.
MM
Don’t know about the Google app, but I can swipe down from my iPhone and have every single source and I can tap to add speakers from anywhere I want. I can also just say - “play Pink Floyd in living room” etc. What am I missing in terms of functionality? Just curious. I don’t need to open an app to play music from any room 🤷🏻♂️
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Jaffrey2230: What am I missing in terms of functionality?
What you are missing is that not everybody has a pyjama pocket big enough to hold a fatphone to control the music as they move in their house/flat, and, not everybody wants to have listening devices all over their place.
IMHO, Beolink multiroom and its "touch to join" is the less intrusive, and the most convenient, way to add a device in a house/flat music experience, but more importantly, there are other actions you can perform without a saying word, or without the need for a fatphone, from a single B&O device against the whole multiroom participants. In a voice assisted solution, can you just say "play the same music in my living room that is currently playing in my bedroom"? I doubt
Finally, which solution other than Beolink multiroom can extend the listening of an old LP playing on you living room Beogram in one or all all the other rooms of your house by simply pressing or smoothly touching the appropriate device? If you know about one, I can go for it and sell my B&O kits.
Jaffrey2230:Don’t know about the Google app, but I can swipe down from my iPhone and have every single source and I can tap to add speakers from anywhere I want. I can also just say - “play Pink Floyd in living room” etc. What am I missing in terms of functionality? Just curious. I don’t need to open an app to play music from any room 🤷🏻♂️ B&O products I use by zones in my home: Platform: Apple; TV/Office: Beolab 8002 (Red) + Beolab 2 [Sony 65A1E OLED TV, Apple TV 4K]; Living: Beoplay A9 (MK2); Bedroom: Beolab 6000 (Red) + Beolab 11 + Beosound Core [LG UST Projector, Apple TV 4K]; Dining: Beosound Stage; Portable: Beosound 1 (GVA, Anthracite), Beoplay P6, Beoplay H9 (3rd Gen)
I guess, you are not missing anything!
However, not everyone wants to carry his iPhone everywhere in the house or talk to his devices.
My pledge is, B&O should let people decide, what way they want to control their B&O devices.....that might even be a good selling point for the dealers.
P.S. What does the rest of the family do, when you/the ‘controller’ leave the house (with your iPhone)?
If you do want to go the AP2 way, a good idea could be to have a central device - a dedicated iPad maybe - for controlling your setup........unless of course you live alone.
As for just saying ‘play Pink Floyd...’ - that is definitely not the way I listen to music.
Mostly you’d get ‘Money’ served from your assistent.
Personally i have no good experience with more complicated wishes, when trying to use the assistents.
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: P.S. What does the rest of the family do, when you/the ‘controller’ leave the house (with your iPhone)? If you do want to go the AP2 way, a good idea could be to have a central device - a dedicated iPad maybe - for controlling your setup........unless of course you live alone. As for just saying ‘play Pink Floyd...’ - that is definitely not the way I listen to music. Mostly you’d get ‘Money’ served from your assistent. Personally i have no good experience with more complicated wishes, when trying to use the assistents. MM
That's exactly what I do quite often. I supply a dedicated (or several) iPad Mini on a Launchport dock that stays in the house as the controller, this is good option with or without BeoLink.
At home I have Google Home mini and the Nest display that do a fine job of controlling stuff and I can ask to play a radio station in a room, play on a group or play a playlist or particular artist or track. Both mine and Mrs W's Google home account are part of the same 'home' setup so we can both control anything that's being played.
Everyone uses stuff their own way and I wish they didn't take away BeoLink but here we are, who knows what else will come in future. Can't we all just get along and be friends?
I will be doing a live show next week with Steve Devonshire, the head of UK Training and Matt my area manager both from B&O HQ. It will be worth voicing these concerns to them and see if they can add anything. These are all very valid points.
Millemissen:I guess, you are not missing anything! However, not everyone wants to carry his iPhone everywhere in the house or talk to his devices. My pledge is, B&O should let people decide, what way they want to control their B&O devices.....that might even be a good selling point for the dealers. P.S. What does the rest of the family do, when you/the ‘controller’ leave the house (with your iPhone)? If you do want to go the AP2 way, a good idea could be to have a central device - a dedicated iPad maybe - for controlling your setup........unless of course you live alone. As for just saying ‘play Pink Floyd...’ - that is definitely not the way I listen to music. Mostly you’d get ‘Money’ served from your assistent. Personally i have no good experience with more complicated wishes, when trying to use the assistents. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
John:That's exactly what I do quite often. I supply a dedicated (or several) iPad Mini on a Launchport dock that stays in the house as the controller, this is good option with or without BeoLink. At home I have Google Home mini and the Nest display
mbolo01: Finally, which solution other than Beolink multiroom can extend the listening of an old LP playing on you living room Beogram in one or all all the other rooms of your house by simply pressing or smoothly touching the appropriate device? If you know about one, I can go for it and sell my B&O kits.
I use the touch to join feature everyday, mostly for distributing the news playing from the TV in the morning. I also have my BS9000 cd player linked in using a NL/ML converter which I can Join in from any room. These two use-cases are lost with new b&o speakers without network link.
I started looking into alternative solutions after this announcement and I believe the Yamaha MusicCast replicates most of the network link functionality we have. As well as Deezer, Tidal and TuneIn their solution can distribute line-in sources too such as a TV or vinyl. They make a pre-amp, full amp, and also active speakers. The pre-amp box is probably the best fit for both existing and new b&o speakers (assuming they power on when detecting a line in signal). However it wouldn't be able to control the connected external sources such as my BS9000 or TV from link rooms, nor does it have physical remotes :(Rob.
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Yes the app still works as it always has with everything but Balance. I very much doubt they would remove it, it just may not be included on future products.
To answer another question you can't touch to join but you can trigger music with one touch on a single device or group by using the profile buttons on top of Balance, Beosound 1 and Beosound 2 with GVA.
John:Yes the app still works as it always has with everything but Balance. I very much doubt they would remove it, it just may not be included on future products.
John: Millemissen: P.S. What does the rest of the family do, when you/the ‘controller’ leave the house (with your iPhone)? If you do want to go the AP2 way, a good idea could be to have a central device - a dedicated iPad maybe - for controlling your setup........unless of course you live alone. As for just saying ‘play Pink Floyd...’ - that is definitely not the way I listen to music. Mostly you’d get ‘Money’ served from your assistent. Personally i have no good experience with more complicated wishes, when trying to use the assistents. MM That's exactly what I do quite often. I supply a dedicated (or several) iPad Mini on a Launchport dock that stays in the house as the controller, this is good option with or without BeoLink. At home I have Google Home mini and the Nest display that do a fine job of controlling stuff and I can ask to play a radio station in a room, play on a group or play a playlist or particular artist or track. Both mine and Mrs W's Google home account are part of the same 'home' setup so we can both control anything that's being played. Everyone uses stuff their own way and I wish they didn't take away BeoLink but here we are, who knows what else will come in future. Can't we all just get along and be friends? I will be doing a live show next week with Steve Devonshire, the head of UK Training and Matt my area manager both from B&O HQ. It will be worth voicing these concerns to them and see if they can add anything. These are all very valid points.
Yes, certainly we can - these was and is no such intention not to get along and be be friends, not at all.
Personally I think that you (and your colleagues) are doing a very fine job making B&O known to the workd.
However, it must be possible for those of us, who happily use NL (with Touch to Join etc etc) and the BeoRemote One/the Bang & Olufsen app for controlling our audio devices to express our concerns and disapprovement in the decision to slowly let this die.
In this sense I hope, that you will present the opinions stated by several good and loyal costumers to Steve and Matt....in the hope that they might take that back to the HQ in Struer.
We may also remember, what Kristian/the new CEO in the new strategy paper mentioned in his diagnosis and symptons (slide 15) about ‘more issues to fix’:
Connection lost with core consumer
Weaker re-purchase rate over the last 10 years and growing number of consumer friction points.
It might be a good idea to listen to some of these costumers, who - as also stated in this thread - more and more are beginning to look out for alternatives to their current B&O gear.
Looking forward to your live show next week.
Millemissen:Yes, certainly we can - these was and is no such intention not to get along and be be friends, not at all.Personally I think that you (and your colleagues) are doing a very fine job making B&O known to the workd.However, it must be possible for those of us, who happily use NL (with Touch to Join etc etc) and the BeoRemote One/the Bang & Olufsen app for controlling our audio devices to express our concerns and disapprovement in the decision to slowly let this die.In this sense I hope, that you will present the opinions stated by several good and loyal costumers to Steve and Matt....in the hope that they might take that back to the HQ in Struer.We may also remember, what Kristian/the new CEO in the new strategy paper mentioned in his diagnosis and symptons (slide 15) about ‘more issues to fix’:Connection lost with core consumer Weaker re-purchase rate over the last 10 years and growing number of consumer friction points. It might be a good idea to listen to some of these costumers, who - as also stated in this thread - more and more are beginning to look out for alternatives to their current B&O gear.Looking forward to your live show next week.MMThere is a tv - and there is a BV.
Well Raz I don’t think you can expect a fruitcake this year with an attitude like that.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
I have to make my voice heard in this too. Can only agree with what everyone has already said that the USP that B&O has had for many years is about to disappear. I became a customer for ease of use and that it was possible to build systems of their products. The stability of the system has disappeared and system thinking is on the way. Then there is only design and good speakers left.
Many have raised the point that "touch to join" disappears, but the biggest limitation is that the source is moved from the product to the phone. Today, the radio switches on in the kitchen in the morning and then it is on regardless of who is in the kitchen. If I want to listen to the radio in other parts of the house I use "touch to join".
Many have already written how they are considering other systems and I myself am completely on Sonos, but keep B&O's speakers in large rooms. It will be an investment and as someone pointed out that the older products with ML become obsolete. Can be considered, but it stops new purchases of B&O until I understand better.
Moningsand:source is moved from the product to the phone
Very good point too, and I'll add DLNA support missing to the list too as some of us, me included, have very large digital music libraries that they want to play without a fatphone in the middle.
And indeed with the sources moved from the product to the phone, what exactly will the new remote do?
Playback controls at a basic level - plus a few google assistant presets?
Excellent progress.
mbolo01: Moningsand:source is moved from the product to the phone Very good point too, and I'll add DLNA support missing to the list too as some of us, me included, have very large digital music libraries that they want to play without a fatphone in the middle.
Sandyb: And indeed with the sources moved from the product to the phone, what exactly will the new remote do? Playback controls at a basic level - plus a few google assistant presets? Excellent progress.
I, too am wondering, what will be the ‘progress’ there.
Maybe it’s just a Google Mini/B&O Edition.......with a couple of touch controls and a small status display.
Indeed, and I'm neither too excited by the Halo, nor do I care that much.
It wont provide a browsing experience for music most likely, and I suspect its control of the TV experience will be pretty limited.
It will of course be able to control NL products, so may provide some ability to start some music (not with the Balance of course).
But most / all of that functionality will be already available in the BR One.
If you view it as just an updated Essence wheelie remote, with a small display - then fine, but not much more, and not progress really in any way.
Millemissen: Sandyb: And indeed with the sources moved from the product to the phone, what exactly will the new remote do? Playback controls at a basic level - plus a few google assistant presets? Excellent progress. I, too am wondering, what will be the ‘progress’ there. Maybe it’s just a Google Mini/B&O Edition.......with a couple of touch controls and a small status display. MM
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Speaking with my Bang & Olufsen hat on for a moment and trying to sound as friendly as possible as always!
This is part of the problem that B&O have. Speculation on products that may or may not be coming from misinformation or bad photos or patent names.
What it probably has/ should have / doesn't have / will or won't work with etc etc....
A thread of misinformed opinions that damage the release and the excitement of something new that B&O have put a lot of money and time into.
It's lovely to see people so committed to the brand, it genuinely makes me proud to be a part of it seeing all of the excellent discussions on here and YouTube with like minded people sharing the B&O community.
What certainly doesn't make me proud is the rogue employee that takes or allows poor photos on a phone of an unreleased product to get 5 minutes of fame online for leaking something early. (Beosound Balance springs to mind!)
This damages the brand, undermines the hard work that goes into a product launch and is really disappointing.
Working in a dealership I get excited when something comes out, I get the pre launch information but the when it arrives there is nothing I like more than experiencing it for the first time and telling everyone about it in store and on YouTube and seeing what the wider community thinks about it.
There is still no substitute than seeing / hearing/ using a product for yourself if you you're lucky enough to live somewhere near a store.
Anyway, sorry for the little rant, I know it won't change anything but it's nice to vent every now and again.
Take care all....John
ebnrob:I believe the Yamaha MusicCast replicates most of the network link functionality we have
Thanks Rob, I'll have a look.
John: Speaking with my Bang & Olufsen hat on for a moment and trying to sound as friendly as possible as always! This is part of the problem that B&O have. Speculation on products that may or may not be coming from misinformation or bad photos or patent names. What it probably has/ should have / doesn't have / will or won't work with etc etc.... A thread of misinformed opinions that damage the release and the excitement of something new that B&O have put a lot of money and time into. It's lovely to see people so committed to the brand, it genuinely makes me proud to be a part of it seeing all of the excellent discussions on here and YouTube with like minded people sharing the B&O community. What certainly doesn't make me proud is the rogue employee that takes or allows poor photos on a phone of an unreleased product to get 5 minutes of fame online for leaking something early. (Beosound Balance springs to mind!) This damages the brand, undermines the hard work that goes into a product launch and is really disappointing. Working in a dealership I get excited when something comes out, I get the pre launch information but the when it arrives there is nothing I like more than experiencing it for the first time and telling everyone about it in store and on YouTube and seeing what the wider community thinks about it. There is still no substitute than seeing / hearing/ using a product for yourself if you you're lucky enough to live somewhere near a store. Anyway, sorry for the little rant, I know it won't change anything but it's nice to vent every now and again. Take care all....John
+1
I’d agree with John, too.
My post before was meant to be fun.....with a tiny bit of sarcasm in it, I admit.
If John has followed my posts over the years, he should know, that I am one of the loyal B&O fans....I was often enough scolded as being a ‘beofan’ on this forum.
Usually I say ‘yes’ to all that comes from Struer....even if it does not suit my personal needs.
I have no clue, what they will present (soon) - and if I had, my lips certainly were sealed!
I know and have known quite a few of the guys in Struer for quite a while - and I care much for the company.
None the less.........it’s better be something good, something special - to cheer me up ;-)
Millemissen:I’d agree with John, too. My post before was meant to be fun.....with a tiny bit of sarcasm in it, I admit. If John has followed my posts over the years, he should know, that I am one of the loyal B&O fans....I was often enough scolded as being a ‘beofan’ on this forum. Usually I say ‘yes’ to all that comes from Struer....even if it does not suit my personal needs. I have no clue, what they will present (soon) - and if I had, my lips certainly were sealed! I know and have known quite a few of the guys in Struer for quite a while - and I care much for the company. None the less.........it’s better be something good, something special - to cheer me up ;-) MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Millemissen: If John has followed my posts over the years, he should know, that I am one of the loyal B&O fans....I was often enough scolded as being a ‘beofan’ on this forum.
I stumbled across the original BeoPlay A9-thread. Very interesting to see that no one was complaining about the lack of multiroom or ML-integration then. In a way we've become spoiled by having ALL speakers NL-capable. Century and the old BeoSound 1 didn't have ML too...
My question for Steve and Matt is how they see the post-NL era, especially in the context of home integration (BLI) and B&O aiming for the UHNW individual...
Mikipidia:I haven't used beolink for atleast two weeks now and I don't feel I miss it although it's nice to have and I fully agree they shouldn't get rid of it at all. Especially now that it's all basically flawless in operation. It's an odd decision but I do understand it if I look critically at my own usage.
I've got a very simple setup at the moment (Stage + 2x M3) and in response to the NL-news I've been trying out Airplay 2 as Music source for the last couple of weeks as well. AP2 isn't as stable as NL for multirooming. Especially syncing can be way off. So my flow has been to start playback through Siri - which is very comfortable I must say, even for me as a stutterer - and then use NL/touch to join to expand the experience.
I hope B&O will remain -vocally!!- committed to NL by making all new speakers capable of hooking up to a Core (or MM's dream Join-box). My guess would be that B&O need it to keep their high end credentials.
On a side note that is especially needed in relation to the BLI... I've sold my BLGW but I miss it every day. The luxury of waking up to your favourite music station or radio, which is later automatically expanded to your kitchen, lights controlled by BR One. It offers local, privacy friendly integration and it's sad to see it under-sold by the dealers(?).
1990: Millemissen: If John has followed my posts over the years, he should know, that I am one of the loyal B&O fans....I was often enough scolded as being a ‘beofan’ on this forum. I stumbled across the original BeoPlay A9-thread. Very interesting to see that no one was complaining about the lack of multiroom or ML-integration then. In a way we've become spoiled by having ALL speakers NL-capable. Century and the old BeoSound 1 didn't have ML too... My question for Steve and Matt is how they see the post-NL era, especially in the context of home integration (BLI) and B&O aiming for the UHNW individual...
example 1: the Beosound 8 was very popular and sold extremely well. But its live ended abrupt with the new Apple connectors.
example 2: with B&o own NL you can even use ML/MCL devices 30 years old. (one aspect what makes this mark special and standout from the rest. And if I read this forum correct even popular with younger enthousiasts).
All excellent points, I will raise the issue with Steve and Matt if it comes up to get their viewpoint from the inside.
It is now confirmed they are joining me at 20:00 UK time this Friday (10/04/2020)
For anyone that's not sure, Steve Devonshire has worked with B&O for a VERY LOOOOONG time and is a very interesting and lovely man. Matt has only been with B&O HQ for a few weeks and is coming in with fresh new eyes to the brand.
I thought it would be an interesting show with a fresh newbie and a legendary veteran to bounce off.
Any questions are greatly appreciated, I'll make a list and of course feel free to ask anything in the live chat on the show.
I'm really looking forward to it and I hope lots of you can join me to see Steve and welcome Matt to the B&O family.
John
Din’t forget - it’s friday today.
Maybe Steve Devonshire has some news to tease ;-)))
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1562849450
He certainly won't be doing that again!
He laughs about it now but at the time he got in some hot water with B&O!
Can’t find the video/Live Stream No 3 on YT.
something went wrong so it's not up