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I have Apple TV 4K, set up,with Beovision Eclipse. Does my TV support Dolby Atmos?
No, it does not!
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Thanks. That’s very clear! I now know why Dolby Atmos isn’t coming up as an option on Apple TV!
Oh, then I’ll have to ask you, what you mean by that?
Many movies played through the apps on the ATV certainly have Atmos.
Atmos is an added information layer in a regular Dolby Plus stream and since your tv can not decode these informations, you can ‘only’ listen to the basic Dolby Plus track.Being able to choose Atmos would make no difference.........the ATV and the Eclipse know what to do.
Hi
What I mean is that, according to Apple, Dolby Atmos only appears as an option in ATV settings if the TV connected to it supports it
OK - never saw that setting.
My BV does not support Atmos either, nor have I the needed speakers setup.
thorne:HiWhat I mean is that, according to Apple, Dolby Atmos only appears as an option in ATV settings if the TV connected to it supports it
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I was thinking about this earlier today.
Connecting this way as you have done - the LG panel can pass Atmos down through its HDMI eARC port I guess, but the Harmony isn't equipped with an Atmos surround processing engine (unless I've missed something). So with (in your case) your many (!!) speakers that you Harmony sees, it is surely still not producing an Atmos recreation?! (i.e object based audio rather than channel based)
The above is a question more than its a statement by the way!
Interesting though that you get what sounds like a better sound quality going through the panel and out the eARC (again, not doubting you!)
Mikipidia:There is ,atleast with the harmony, a way around it you can try. Attach the hdmi of the aptv to the panel of the eclipse(so not to the soundcenter). That is what i do with my harmony and to my setup it makes a big difference.
Sandyb:I was thinking about this earlier today. Connecting this way as you have done - the LG panel can pass Atmos down through its HDMI eARC port I guess, but the Harmony isn't equipped with an Atmos surround processing engine (unless I've missed something). So with (in your case) your many (!!) speakers that you Harmony sees, it is surely still not producing an Atmos recreation?! (i.e object based audio rather than channel based) The above is a question more than its a statement by the way! Interesting though that you get what sounds like a better sound quality going through the panel and out the eARC (again, not doubting you!)
Interesting!
There should be no difference.......given that the sound settings (Speaker Group/Sound Mode etc) are exactly the same in both cases.
Still wondering why - but don’t doubt you either.....you are the one listening.
Unfortunately I does not.....
I agree with, MIki.
Compare:
1) Apple content or Netflix, via Apple TV, plugged direct into the HDMI port watching 'Atmos' films
2) Netlix via the soundcentre (which does not even show as Atmos content)
It may not be 'true' Atmos through the Apple TV but it does sound better in surround and rear channels
Intersting topic! So would it make more sense to connect beside the AppleTV a BluRay Player also to the LG panel instead of the sound center of my Harmony? I just recently got a BluRay with Atmos on it, maybe I give it a try.
I've encountered the following behavior with Apple TV and my BeoSystem 4. When I disable Dolby Atmos on the Apple TV and set the sound to "auto":
-Netflix does not show Atmos as being available. I receive a 5.1 PCM.
-Disney+ does not show Atmos as being available. I receive a 5.1 PCM.
-Amazon Prime Video does not show Atmos as being available. I receive a 5.1 PCM.
-Movies from iTunes DO show Atmos as being available. I receive a 7.1 PCM. Therefore, it seems that only iTunes movies get converted to 7.1 PCM from Dolby Atmos.
If I enable Atmos on the Apple TV, All apps show Atmos as available. However, I receive no sound. The "sound Info" on the BeoSystem 4 shows "PCM 0.0."
So hooked up the Sony Blu Ray Player directly to the LG, with an Atmos source same here, 7.1 input. Plus could control basic functions of the player with the Beoremote One without the PUC cable.
Could not check to sound difference yet, but task for today
kawo: So hooked up the Sony Blu Ray Player directly to the LG, with an Atmos source same here, 7.1 input. Plus could control basic functions of the player with the Beoremote One without the PUC cable. Could not check to sound difference yet, but task for today
The blu-ray player will always convert Atmos to 7.1 PCM. It's the Apple TV that can have varying outputs depending on the streaming service used. There is no option to force a PCM conversion to 7.1 for all Atmos material on the Apple TV. B&O created a PUC for me for the Sony UBP-X700 UHD player that provides full control.
Atmos does not matter in these cases!
It is the base layer, that is important.
The LG seems to recognize the 7.1 in the stream and send that on to the SoundCenter as PCM 7.1.
The SoundCenter does only recognize the 5.1, when the ATV is connected there - why that is so is the big mystery (a matter of the ATV or a matter of the SoundCenter??).
When the SoundCenter gets the 7.1 stream it passes it on to a 7.1 speakers layout as is, given that is set up according to the 7.1 recommendations (FL, C, FR, SL, SR, RL, RR and Sub).
When the SoundCenter get the 5.1 stream, it passes that on to a 7.1 speakers layout by upmixing from 5.1 to 7.1 (TrueImage processing).
That can be heard as a different sound - probably conceived as better with the native 7.1 version.
The Atmos informations however, cannot be utilized/heard without involving an Atmos/Atmos MAT decoder.
beojeff: I've encountered the following behavior with Apple TV and my BeoSystem 4. When I disable Dolby Atmos on the Apple TV and set the sound to "auto": -Netflix does not show Atmos as being available. I receive a 5.1 PCM. -Disney+ does not show Atmos as being available. I receive a 5.1 PCM. -Amazon Prime Video does not show Atmos as being available. I receive a 5.1 PCM. -Movies from iTunes DO show Atmos as being available. I receive a 7.1 PCM. Therefore, it seems that only iTunes movies get converted to 7.1 PCM from Dolby Atmos. If I enable Atmos on the Apple TV, All apps show Atmos as available. However, I receive no sound. The "sound Info" on the BeoSystem 4 shows "PCM 0.0."
Hi,
When you say ".. as being available" do you mean that the app is telling you before you choose and play a movie, that an Atmos version is available? Or do you mean that, after you've chosen and are playing a movie, the on-screen display is telling you that you're listening to an Atmos signal?
The BS4 does not support Atmos. The Apple TV 4k should know this from the EDID. However, if you look on this page:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204069
you'll see the following:
Apple TV 4K and Apple TV HD automatically play sound in the highest quality that’s supported by your home entertainment system setup and available with content that you watch.
If your home entertainment system doesn't support the audio format that Apple TV automatically selects, you can manually change the audio format
So, it seems to me that the message from Apple is that the Apple TV automatically selects the right bitstream - except when it doesn't... I suspect that you're falling into the second half of this statement...
I'm not sure that this helps - but it might be the best I can do...
cheers-geoff
Hi again,
It might help to be a little explicit here...
"Dolby Atmos" appears to mean different things to different people. It might help to break apart what Atmos is - in order to make sure that we're all talking about the same thing...
Dolby Atmos encompasses the following things:
So, if we're going to have a conversation about "Atmos" - we need to be explicit regarding which of these aspects are being discussed...
Cheers-geoff
Hi all
As the OP, I must say that was in essence a simple yes or no question to my mind, has evolved into a fascinating discussion. Great stuff! Thanks a lot
And if you want to learn more about what your TV can do with your speakers.
Read this article from mr tonmeister him self:)
http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2013/12/06/bo-tech-trueimage-upmixing/
Its not Atmos, but at least its not very far from the same :D is the B&O way :)
Geoff:
I'm referring to the setting on the Apple TV. If you tell the Apple TV that your sound system can't support Dolby Atmos, you will not even see Atmos as available on most streaming apps. In such cases, we're limited to 5.1 PCM conversion and not 7.1 PCM conversion. However, even when you tell the Apple TV in its settings that you can't support Dolby Atmos, iTunes movies with Dolby Atmos WILL still show Atmos as available and the Apple TV will convert that to 7.1 PCM. The point being that it's a shame that the other streaming apps won't even allow Dolby Atmos conversion to PCM 7.1. Only the iTunes movies will do that.
It seems there's an issue with the way ATMOS is implemented by app developers on the Apple TV platform and possibly other platforms.
To me, it would be perfect if Eclipse/Harmony would accept an ATMOS track. I'm not necessarily asking for decoding of full ATMOS, if the signal could be stripped down to 7.1 just as the LG panel does, it would be perfect.
Would changing EDID to include ATMOS possibly work? - would Eclipse/Harmony be able to strip 7.1 out of an ATMOS signal if fed?
Can you still use PUC control on the apple tv when hooking up this way?
As far as I know, PUC only works when the source is connected to the soundcenter. However you can still use Beoremote One when connecting to the LG panel via HDMI CEC.