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B&O Beogram 3000 help needed

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Keith Hoban
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Keith Hoban Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2013 10:24 AM

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My  first post and I hope someone may be able to help.

I have recently purchased a B&O Beogram 3000, 1985-87 together with a Beomaster 3000 and a Beochord 2000.

The Beochord needed new belts which I purchased from Dillen (Martin).

 The instructions Martin sent were perfect, all units have been working well until today :-(

The Beogram 3000  has decided not to lower the tone arm onto the record, it lines up fine, lowers,  raises straight away as it makes contact with

  the record then returns to the rest position .

I have looked through the forum regarding tone arms but cannot find an answer to this particular problem ,Can anyone help?

Keith.

 

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Maybe it did not reset its mechanics when it returned to its home/rest position during the last playback. Try maybe to seek the arm to the end of a record so it returns back to the home positon and hopefully this handling would set the mechanics back to normal ...

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Thank you Nico for your reply.

i have tried your suggestion but unfortunately it did not work :-(

i have upload a video to you tube it may explain what is happening better, thanks for any help

Keith

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8o1f2WxZI

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Saw the youtube . Hard to say what the problem is

I also have a beogram 3000, had also some problems with mechanics

Managed to solve it by opening it, cleaning and oiling some parts again

Now it works well.

The mechanics of this device is very sensitive , so be carefully if you decide to open it

It needs the fine hands of a woman but with technical skills. ;-)

And these are very very hard to find ...

Maybe you have to look for a techie who repairs vinyl players in your region

Nico
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Dillen replied on Thu, Jan 17 2013 9:00 PM

Well, the needle falls off the edge of the record for a start.
Adjust the excentric at the foot of the carriage for a set-down point about 1-2mm more left.

If it actually lands within the lead-in groove range and still falls off, replace the cartridge or have it retip'ed.

Martin

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Thank you for your reply Martin.

The cartridge i am using is a damaged one with no tip.

while the deck is not working i have taken out my good cartridge to save any damage.

 

Could it be one of the cams ? the one that controls the tone arm rotates all the way round in one cycle raising and lifting the tone arm all in one

operation,should it stop once the tone arm makes contact with the record ?

would a video help?

 

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Dillen replied on Fri, Jan 18 2013 6:58 AM

Yes, half a turn to lower, next half turn to raise..
Check for oxidation in the microswitches, There are two or three of them in there. it's very common to see if
the deck stood unused for a long time.

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Hi Martin

 

Hi Martin

I have cleaned all the micro switches all seem to be working well.

However the tone arm cam wheel is still turning all the way round so the arm lowers and raises all in one operation.

Any more ideas and thanks for your help.

Keith

 

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Dillen replied on Sat, Jan 19 2013 8:47 AM

Can you tell if it gets activated by the solenoid ?
Or if the "flying gear" on top of the cam wheel binds ?

Martin

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Hi Martin

Can you tell if it gets activated by the solenoid ?

 yes it looks as if the solenoid is working

Or if the "flying gear" on top of the cam wheel binds ?

I have been wondering about this it does seem not to move, but it is lose on top of the cam should it catch on to something?

I have uploaded  another video of the cams in motion . 
http://youtu.be/FULIBtLeMAA

Thanks again Keith

 

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Check that the pulley cord is aligned properly

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Hi Menahem

Thanks for the suggestion

I have checked the pulley cord and it is aligned properly, I feel I have a problem with the lift cam wheel

did you by any chance see the video I have uploaded to you tube? http://youtu.be/FULIBtLeMAA

glad of any help :-)

keith

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Hi All

Any one have any more ideas?

Keith

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Keith

The piston does NOT appear to be moving all the way. I had one exactly with this problem once.

Disassemble it, according to the instructions here

http://www.condoraudio.com/wp-content/uploads/Projects/BeoGram-4500-Turntable-Restoration-Repair.pdf

Menahem

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Hi Menahen

Thank you for your reply and suggestion, i will carry out this repair and let you know the result :-)

Thanks for the link

Keith

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Hi Menahen

You have saved a Beogram :-)

before I undertook the repair you have suggested I had another look at the piston.

It had a repair already and the Plastic case had been left a little rough so I lightly sanded the plastic case around the old repair then

used silicon spray inside the solenoid and on the piston, let it dry and did it again.

 when I reassembled the unit it worked perfectly :-)

if at a later date the piston fails I'll know what to do

thank you once again

kind regards Keith

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