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Got quoted around 45000 DKK for SoundCenter, necessary adapter for mounting , textile front.
Mounts are the same price as before.
vlohjr1:It’s the cut out from the soundcentre which is the problem and won’t fit a c panel I think....
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Michael:True they are different. I meant stb brackets can probably find a way forward. An adapter to be seated in between I would expect with a rubber or plastic insert below the screen. But I don’t know, just guessing it can be done. The new soundcenter seem to use eARC as it supports pcm 7.1 etc and not only compressed sound. So it’s more flexible but the old one should work as now at least. Beolab 50, Beolab 20, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9i, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Avant 55, BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
vlohjr1:I hope so the sound centre v1 is so a good bit of kit to throw away so to speak
vlohjr1:Peter Tyson uk website 55 fabric cover motorised floor stand 7900£ can’t remember what MKI is now
It's about the same price as the v1 with a motorised floor stand.
I've just asked my dealer if it's possible to take an Eclipse v2 + stand + back plate, without panel, and if I can use my existing GX 55" panel.
I can't imagine this reduces the price by much though! The LG GX 55" is now £1700 here in the UK, meaning in theory, the above combo is £7000. Gulp.
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OK if they market it as an accessory LG TV stand - very poor if they market it as a Beovision considering what that name once stood for.
Ban boring signatures!
Have they removed Spotify Connect from 2nd Gen? I hope not.
Puncher: OK if they market it as an accessory LG TV stand - very poor if they market it as a Beovision considering what that name once stood for.
In that case I’d rather call it a ‘B&O Sound Center with an accessory LG TV’.
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There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: Puncher: OK if they market it as an accessory LG TV stand - very poor if they market it as a Beovision considering what that name once stood for. In that case I’d rather call it a ‘B&O Sound Center with an accessory LG TV’. MM
Fair enough but it isn't a beovision!
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Whatever!
What makes it a Beovision is the integration of sound and picture and the controlling of both in a Beoremote-way - also the possibility to integrate it with other (newer) Beovisions and B&O audio systems.
It surely is the most Beovision you can have, if you consider that there is no way to avoid using a third party tv for the picture part.
Not for me, but if it makes you happy then good for you!
Puncher:Not for me, but if it makes you happy then good for you! Ban boring signatures!
I'm sure we know this anyhow, but confirmed by my dealer today. B&O doesn't ship or have anything to do with the GX panel, so if you already have a GX like myself, you can just drop in your own existing panel. Dealer is responsible for the panel in their local market.
Only issue is, dealer also said it's the same cost you pay now basically apart from the panel - so £7000 for a stand and sound center!
It better be a darned good sound center - better than the Stage I own now - and you'd really have to want that stand to pay £7K.
Puncher: Fair enough but it isn't a beovision!
I disagree. B&O realised a few years ago that they can't compete or add extra value to these LG panels. I owned a BV12-65 and now the LG GX 55/65" and I can tell you - the GX is outstanding. You don't need B&O to do anything more to improve the picture. They realised it, I realise it, you need to realise it.
What did the BV12-65 offer an Eclipse doesn't? It was just a Panasonic OEM panel with a frame? B&O added their own picture processing. LG is more than capable of doing this now and they do.
My issue isn't the quality of the picture or what B&O does with it, it's about whether I can justify the cost of the other components - the stand and sound center. The panel part is only £1700.
Right, there seems to be a few who think "I need to realise" that I shouldn't have an opinion!
As Moxxey so rightly points out, B&O doesn't have anything to do with the TV itself which means they have no input at all into the "vision" part of the so-called Beovision.
I have no issue with the quality of the GX, it is a fine panel with an excellent picture (although not the best, other manufacturers have achieved better picture quality from the same panel). Moxxey answered his own question regarding the difference between the BV12 and the Eclipse - B&O did their own picture processing, as well as adding those other B&O features (curtains etc) that were associated with the "Beovision" brand which have now disappeared.
As Moxxey also correctly points out it is in fact a SoundCentre - if B&O want to call it a BeoSound Eclipse then that's great and I'll be happy.
If I were to buy a B&W soundbar or surround system and then connect it to a Sony TV does that mean my TV is now a B&W TV - of course it doesn't.
I believe that calling it a Beovision is disingenuous at best, I'm sure all of the stores selling this will be fully upfront and tell all less tech-savvy customers that what they are buying is a bog standard LG TV with B&O sound and connectivity.......or will they?!
What Im a bit lost with.
I have been seeking a solution that would enable me to exchange panels when technology changed, this is what I was promised when buying BS3 standalone at huge cost. Only to find that third party panel support was not there and only the current generation panels at that time worked properly.
It is debatable if OLED will stand the test of time and Micro LED takes prime slot. As far as I can see this is an engineered solution for the GX but how long will the GX be about before another design change alters the footprint of the TV- then the 'slot' wont fit.
So its the best part of 7K again with no future proofing? or have I missed something.
355f:What Im a bit lost with. I have been seeking a solution that would enable me to exchange panels when technology changed, this is what I was promised when buying BS3 standalone at huge cost. Only to find that third party panel support was not there and only the current generation panels at that time worked properly. It is debatable if OLED will stand the test of time and Micro LED takes prime slot. As far as I can see this is an engineered solution for the GX but how long will the GX be about before another design change alters the footprint of the TV- then the 'slot' wont fit. So its the best part of 7K again with no future proofing? or have I missed something.
355f: What Im a bit lost with. I have been seeking a solution that would enable me to exchange panels when technology changed, this is what I was promised when buying BS3 standalone at huge cost. Only to find that third party panel support was not there and only the current generation panels at that time worked properly. It is debatable if OLED will stand the test of time and Micro LED takes prime slot. As far as I can see this is an engineered solution for the GX but how long will the GX be about before another design change alters the footprint of the TV- then the 'slot' wont fit. So its the best part of 7K again with no future proofing? or have I missed something.
Forget future proofing in the tech world. it is not possible
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Puncher: Right, there seems to be a few who think "I need to realise" that I shouldn't have an opinion! As Moxxey so rightly points out, B&O doesn't have anything to do with the TV itself which means they have no input at all into the "vision" part of the so-called Beovision. I have no issue with the quality of the GX, it is a fine panel with an excellent picture (although not the best, other manufacturers have achieved better picture quality from the same panel). Moxxey answered his own question regarding the difference between the BV12 and the Eclipse - B&O did their own picture processing, as well as adding those other B&O features (curtains etc) that were associated with the "Beovision" brand which have now disappeared. As Moxxey also correctly points out it is in fact a SoundCentre - if B&O want to call it a BeoSound Eclipse then that's great and I'll be happy. If I were to buy a B&W soundbar or surround system and then connect it to a Sony TV does that mean my TV is now a B&W TV - of course it doesn't. I believe that calling it a Beovision is disingenuous at best, I'm sure all of the stores selling this will be fully upfront and tell all less tech-savvy customers that what they are buying is a bog standard LG TV with B&O sound and connectivity.......or will they?!
Your comparaison with a standard soundbar it not really fair. as the "Beovision" solution gives much more integration.
Also I have not met a dealer that did not say it was a panel from LG, actully they often brag about it, as they where use to be behind in tech.
Puncher:I believe that calling it a Beovision is disingenuous at best,
And so let's imagine for a second none of new B&O TVs is called a "Beovision" because they are not "real BVs". They are called something else.
Like: BeoScreen (or whatever, any new brand name). Does that fix the problem? They will never again be "Made in Denmark", right - and we all know it. Not sure what is your point.
Hence, the "Beosound" Eclipse - it is a sound centre and no more (and that's no bad thing) it adds nothing to video.
Well that is an option. B&O moves Eclipse, Harmony and the upcoming Contour into the speaker category. Sounds reasonable.
AnalogPlanet: Puncher:I believe that calling it a Beovision is disingenuous at best, And so let's imagine for a second none of new B&O TVs is called a "Beovision" because they are not "real BVs". They are called something else. Like: BeoScreen (or whatever, any new brand name). Does that fix the problem? They will never again be "Made in Denmark", right - and we all know it. Not sure what is your point.
I'm not talking about b&o tvs in general, I'm talking about this particular case where you buy a TV in curry's and b&o then claim it to be a bv!
Puncher:...you buy a TV in curry's and b&o then claim it to be a bv!
I get that, in EU Beovisions were never sold in ALDI. So we don't have that disappointing experience you describe. And I get your point.
AnalogPlanet: Well that is an option. B&O moves Eclipse, Harmony and the upcoming Contour into the speaker category. Sounds reasonable.
What's Contour? A new TV?
There is a dedicated thread about it in this forum.
Forget future proofing?
I fully appreciate that changing standards over time make tech obsolete. But at this huge price the eclipse V2 should be a product that supports and contunies to support at least LG screens, otherwise whats the point- soend another 7K in 4 years?
Puncher:Right, there seems to be a few who think "I need to realise" that I shouldn't have an opinion! As Moxxey so rightly points out, B&O doesn't have anything to do with the TV itself which means they have no input at all into the "vision" part of the so-called Beovision. I have no issue with the quality of the GX, it is a fine panel with an excellent picture (although not the best, other manufacturers have achieved better picture quality from the same panel). Moxxey answered his own question regarding the difference between the BV12 and the Eclipse - B&O did their own picture processing, as well as adding those other B&O features (curtains etc) that were associated with the "Beovision" brand which have now disappeared. As Moxxey also correctly points out it is in fact a SoundCentre - if B&O want to call it a BeoSound Eclipse then that's great and I'll be happy. If I were to buy a B&W soundbar or surround system and then connect it to a Sony TV does that mean my TV is now a B&W TV - of course it doesn't. I believe that calling it a Beovision is disingenuous at best, I'm sure all of the stores selling this will be fully upfront and tell all less tech-savvy customers that what they are buying is a bog standard LG TV with B&O sound and connectivity.......or will they?! Ban boring signatures!
355f: Forget future proofing? I fully appreciate that changing standards over time make tech obsolete. But at this huge price the eclipse V2 should be a product that supports and contunies to support at least LG screens, otherwise whats the point- soend another 7K in 4 years?
How would B&O do that, they cannot decide over LG?
And the point is to have the best Television in the Market in those 4 years.
There is no alternative IMO
Emil Jensen:How would B&O do that, they cannot decide over LG? And the point is to have the best Television in the Market in those 4 years. There is no alternative IMO Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 5, Beolab 17, Beosound 1 Google assist, Beoplay M3, Beoplay H6, Beoplay Earset
So what one seems to be saying is is only difference between version 1 and 2 apart from a few audio formats is that the panel is upgraded, so in the same way Mk 1 users are stuckwith no upgrade path- so this applies to the mark 2 and yet the price is higher??
355f:So what one seems to be saying is is only difference between version 1 and 2 apart from a few audio formats is that the panel is upgraded, so in the same way Mk 1 users are stuckwith no upgrade path- so this applies to the mark 2 and yet the price is higher??
Yes, and this is the point that some are missing or at least playing down (setting aside whether you call these BV's or not)
Of course we all understand that there are limits to future proofing in todays tech landscape.
But the point with the Eclipse is that having spent 7 grand on a sound centre and stand, it would be nice if there is some commitment that the panel could be swapped out in a few years....instead of being told that a new one probably wont attach / fit.
Of course, in the old world of Beovisions, we never saw the modularity / separate parts, and given tech moved not as fast, these questions were less relevant.
But now we can see the assemblage of an Eclipse, I do think its fair to ask if the 7k spent on the non-panel will be of any use in a few years....
The design of the Harmony is better in this respect, but not the Eclipse.
355f: So what one seems to be saying is is only difference between version 1 and 2 apart from a few audio formats is that the panel is upgraded, so in the same way Mk 1 users are stuckwith no upgrade path- so this applies to the mark 2 and yet the price is higher??
I was told by my dealer the reason the v2 is (slightly) higher in price is that it has even more 'custom parts' for the rear plate etc. Which is slightly worrying for being able to swap out the panel in the future, which was the original idea of Eclipse v1.
Was the Eclipse ever really designed to be upgradable? I reckon this was just dealer talk from assumptions made? I can't see how it can. As panel design changes, the top part has to reflect the fake panel in the sound center.
Everyone keeps talking - rather casually for my liking - about being able to "swap out" the panel, but has this ever really been a thing? It was much-touted for Eclipse v1, but seems to have been forgotten (by v1 owners) that this was even a sales point.
A lot of people are saying that TV tech is moving quicker now than I, the good old years of CRT. While this has been correct in the early 2000’s, I cannot see why a C7 panel is clearly outdated compared to a CX/GX. I’m not sure that everybody complaining about getting the latest panel would see any picture quality difference in real life.
For me TV tech is slowing and everything that is new today concerns lower price of manufacturing for the TV brand and marketing hype, not huge picture quality improvements.
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