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As we are a lot of "outlanders" here on the foum and the main language is English, here an explanation why Grammar is important
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I say !!!
Great one!
I saw another such card that said if you want to make your neighbors nervous, name your wireless router "FBI Surveilance Van." For y'all I guess "Interpol Surveilance Van" might work better.
Jeff
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I agree to an extent, but lets not forget our languages are our tools and not our masters. They are constantly changing and adapting to our trends and our fashions, and have always done so.
I'm from the south of England and live in the North. My children have started saying this which i thought was a little kid thing, but then i recently heard a teacher also say...
"those are the walls of the city they didn't knock down, COULDN'T THEY NOT?" A slight regional difference which at the end of the day might not be grammatically correct, but essentially means the same thing.
I've learnt on my travels around Europe to rally in these colourful little flavours or differences, and not get too wrapped up in what a man made book says.
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Chris Townsend: I agree to an extent, but lets not forget our languages are our tools and not our masters. They are constantly changing and adapting to our trends and our fashions, and have always done so. I'm from the south of England and live in the North. My children have started saying this which i thought was a little kid thing, but then i recently heard a teacher also say... "those are the walls of the city they didn't knock down, COULDN'T THEY NOT?" A slight regional difference which at the end of the day might not be grammatically correct, but essentially means the same thing. I've learnt on my travels around Europe to rally in these colourful little flavours or differences, and not get too wrapped up in what a man made book says.
That's a quite wise thing to say.
It's only the Internet , I don't take it very seriously .
some people need to lighten up methinks.
@Søren "As we are a lot of "outlanders" here on the foum and the main language is English, here an explanation why Grammar is important"
Teach Me Tiger, wow, wow, wow, wow....
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Millemissen: @Søren "As we are a lot of "outlanders" here on the foum and the main language is English, here an explanation why Grammar is important" Teach Me Tiger, wow, wow, wow, wow....
I was laughing my but off for half an hour as I saw it, lighten up people, its a joke, Mille who was the artist in Teach me Tiger.
Well-oh,
April Stevens or Marylin Monroe?
Definitely not Uncle Jack!
Grrr! MM
Hej Søren,
you just pushed the button
For those of us who (also) read/write German here is MOTS:
lch fragte mich auch schon, warum wir Deutschsprechenden immer noch groß und klein schreiben. jetzt weiß ich warum!
...Die Spinnen - Die spinnen
Warum sind füllige Frauen gut zu Vögeln? --- Warum sind füllige Frauen gut zu vögeln?
Er hat liebe Genossen. - Er hat Liebe genossen.
Wäre er doch nur Dichter! - Wäre er doch nur dichter!
Sich brüsten und anderem zuwenden. - Sich Brüsten und anderem zuwenden.
Die nackte Sucht zu quälen. - Die Nackte sucht zu quälen.
Sie konnte geschickt Blasen und Glieder behandeln. - Sie konnte geschickt blasen und Glieder behandeln.
Der gefangene Floh. - Der Gefangene floh.
Helft den armen Vögeln. - Helft den Armen vögeln.....
Und da soll es doch tatsächtich Leute geben, die behaupten, die Groß- und Kteinschreibung wäre nicht wichtig..
And don't even think of jerking that tru' 'Google Translate' - it won't help you!!!
Greetings Millemissen
Millemissen: And don't even think of jerking that tru' 'Google Translate' - it won't help you!!! Greetings Millemissen
Google translate is entertaining enough!
Graham
Millemissen: Hej Søren, you just pushed the button For those of us who (also) read/write German here is MOTS: lch fragte mich auch schon, warum wir Deutschsprechenden immer noch groß und klein schreiben. jetzt weiß ich warum! ...Die Spinnen - Die spinnen Warum sind füllige Frauen gut zu Vögeln? --- Warum sind füllige Frauen gut zu vögeln? Er hat liebe Genossen. - Er hat Liebe genossen. Wäre er doch nur Dichter! - Wäre er doch nur dichter! Sich brüsten und anderem zuwenden. - Sich Brüsten und anderem zuwenden. Die nackte Sucht zu quälen. - Die Nackte sucht zu quälen. Sie konnte geschickt Blasen und Glieder behandeln. - Sie konnte geschickt blasen und Glieder behandeln. Der gefangene Floh. - Der Gefangene floh. Helft den armen Vögeln. - Helft den Armen vögeln..... Und da soll es doch tatsächtich Leute geben, die behaupten, die Groß- und Kteinschreibung wäre nicht wichtig.. And don't even think of jerking that tru' 'Google Translate' - it won't help you!!! Greetings Millemissen
These are funny!
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Jeff: Great one! I saw another such card that said if you want to make your neighbors nervous, name your wireless router "FBI Surveilance Van." For y'all I guess "Interpol Surveilance Van" might work better.
@Jeff: That only works if you're broadcasting your WiFi network's name....which you shouldn't be doing!
@Soren: That's awesome. I will listen to some early 70's 45's in your honor tonight....
vikinger: Millemissen: And don't even think of jerking that tru' 'Google Translate' - it won't help you!!! Greetings Millemissen Google translate is entertaining enough! Graham
I don't get it, I mean G translator, always... Why it translates "das Gerät als Defekt für Bastler" to "the unit as a hole for crafters" A Hole? Not any better to finnish.
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I had a real soft spot for mine - I really miss her!
Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: I had a real soft spot for mine - I really miss her!
beocool:Und da soll es doch tatsächtich Leute geben, die behaupten, die Groß- und Kteinschreibung wäre nicht wichtig..
Mille, Du hast mir ein halbe Stunde zu lachen gebracht, Vielen dank, Mit Gross und Klein schreiben habe ich (als Däne) immer Probleme gehabt, ich werde mir ab Jetz mehr mühe geben
jamen, det har jeg da også - det er dog blevet bedre med årene.
Hilsen Millemissen
Millemissen: Hej Søren, jamen, det har jeg da også - det er dog blevet bedre med årene. Hilsen Millemissen
Back to English, As I dont use them much anymore, I'm getting kind of rusty in German and Swedish, maybe I should try to be active in the German forum, just to keep it up
I'd just be happy if everyone on the Internet (not just this forum) would read their writing before hitting "send." A lot of mistakes and misunderstandings could be corrected that way. I realize that many people here are not from the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc., so it's not a big deal for clumsy English on this forum as it may not be everyone's "first" language.
However, even the worst English writer would be shocked and amazed at the professional e-mails I get in which English is the ONLY language the writer knows.
David Keener:However, even the worst English writer would be shocked and amazed at the professional e-mails I get in which English is the ONLY language the writer knows.
The younger generations are using a lot of abbreviation, symbols and "shorted" words in their mails and text messages, this in my opinion one of the reasons why the written languages gets off track, also education systems in different countries are to blame.
I have in DK some +40 nieces and nephews, I am through FB in contact with some of them and children of them, Terrible spelling and grammar is more frequent than not. The art to write a correct letter, be it business correspondence or private, has been forgotten, just the small detail, to start a letter with Dear and ending it with Kind Regards, you hardly see anymore.
To some extend I agree with you - everyone should take care of the/our/his language.
On the other hand language is also a matter of developing...
My first language is danish - I think I am quite good at writing danish. You should see some of the postings in the BIG danish B&O-forum on Hifi4All.dk
My second language is german - its gotten better over the years. But it is by far not perfect-writing.
So my third language is english. In fact I am enjoying writing In english on this forum. Feeling it might improve my english-writing too.
But posting takes a lot of time (relatively), because I want my english-writing to be correct - and I also try to get some twist into it (if you understand what I mean).
I never hit the send-button before I have read the post - sometimes I even come back to correct something.
Kind regards Millemissen
Millemissen: To some extend I agree with you - everyone should take care of the/our/his language. On the other hand language is also a matter of developing... My first language is danish - I think I am quite good at writing danish. You should see some of the postings in the BIG danish B&O-forum on Hifi4All.dk My second language is german - its gotten better over the years. But it is by far not perfect-writing. So my third language is english. In fact I am enjoying writing In english on this forum. Feeling it might improve my english-writing too. But posting takes a lot of time (relatively), because I want my english-writing to be correct - and I also try to get some twist into it (if you understand what I mean). I never hit the send-button before I have read the post - sometimes I even come back to correct something. Kind regards Millemissen
Your English writing skills are to be commended - you're probably more accomplished than many native English speakers!
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Best regards Millemissen
I remember seeing one about the utility of the Oxford comma. The sentence was "We invited the two strippers, Jack Kennedy, and Stalin" which had a drawing of two strippers, Kennedy, and Stalin all standing together. The other was "we invited the two strippers, Jack Kennedy and Stalin" which was illustrated with a drawing of Jack Kennedy and Stalin dressed as strippers.
I don't think anyone is trying to make fun or light of non-english as a first language folks here, certainly I'm not, their english is better than my German ever was, it's just the kind of humorous things that English lends itself to. Their, they're, and there, etc. I've heard native speakers of other languages say English is a darned hard language to learn due to it's idiosyncracies.
Then there's the tradional classical education Latin Student's Lament: Latin is a dead language, as dead as it can be, first it killed the Romans, and now it's killing me.
Jeff: Their, they're, and there, etc. I've heard native speakers of other languages say English is a darned hard language to learn due to it's idiosyncracies. AGREED!! I think the only people who think all non-English speakers should learn English are the same people who only know English. Having had the required two years in high school of a foreign language (Spanish), I wholeheartedly agree that English is an incredibly inconsistent language. Kudos to anyone who learns it as a second or third language! On a related note, I recall watching a multi-part BBC documentary called The History of English. (Note that it's not The History of the English.) It was fascinating and revealing as to why English is such a convoluted language. Quick answer: because of invasions in the current UK and because English explorers and colonists went to other lands. David
Their, they're, and there, etc. I've heard native speakers of other languages say English is a darned hard language to learn due to it's idiosyncracies.
AGREED!! I think the only people who think all non-English speakers should learn English are the same people who only know English.
Having had the required two years in high school of a foreign language (Spanish), I wholeheartedly agree that English is an incredibly inconsistent language. Kudos to anyone who learns it as a second or third language!
On a related note, I recall watching a multi-part BBC documentary called The History of English. (Note that it's not The History of the English.) It was fascinating and revealing as to why English is such a convoluted language. Quick answer: because of invasions in the current UK and because English explorers and colonists went to other lands.
David
I think the big advantage of English is, apart from it's seemingly infinite ability to adapt and add vocabularly, is that if you're going to go for a "universal" language it seems like a good idea to start with the language the last two global powers, particularly the British Empire, and also their American successors speak, as there are already a significant number of people who already speak it world wide. As in they had to in order to deal with the Empire and such, same with Latin during the Roman era. Granted this was more true for the British Empire as they were a lot more imperial and colonizing than the US ever was, but add the two together and it gives you a pretty large base of language users to start with, regardless of your opinions on imperial powers. Certainly made more sense than Esperanto!
I can remember trying to read technical German, yow that could hurt you. Words so long they started on one page and ended on another!
I have also always been fascinated in how Japanese adopt English and other languages words but pronounce them like they were Japanese, so if you're an English speaker you can't really tell they are saying an English word.
Not to insult any of our French speakers, but I had a friend who once said that French was nothing more than a degenerate form of provincial gutter Army Latin.
@Jeff
"...... if you're going to go for a "universal" language it seems like a good idea to start with the language the last two global powers"
When I think of how many people speak chinese - for how long will english still be 'a go for a "universal" language'?
Maybe chinese has to be my 4. language
Most kindly Millemissen
Millemissen:Maybe chinese has to be my 4. language
I hope I'll be a pensioner before that is needed to work. I guess I could do with Japanese as that is apparently fairly easy to learn, but I don't think I'd have the patience to learn Chinese.
There was a Harvard math professor named Tom Lehrer who used to sing some biting political songs back in the 60's. He had one about Werner von Braun:
Dont say that he's hypocritical, say rather that he's apolitical,
In German and English I know how to count down, und I'm learning Chinese says Werner Von Braun.
I don't know if Japanese is any easier than Chinese to a Westerner though, both, and from what I can tell most Asian languages rely on some pretty subtle pronunciation differences, at least when I took Japanese I didn't find it easy.
I read alot of forums, and one thing that I find common in most forums is that alot of people write what they would say to a friend - write spoken language. And that causes alot of misunderstanding since the grammar can be right - for the spoken language..
My grammar is probably faulty alot of the times, since my native language is Swedish.. When I dont find the right words I want to use I use google translate - I know it is not correct, but I find often enough that people understand what I mean.
But I agree that people including myself should think of the grammar. :D
Severian:I remember seeing one about the utility of the Oxford comma. Jeff Beosound 9000, Beolab 8000s, Beogram 3000 w/MMC2, CX50s, P30s, Beovox 3000s, Beocord 3300, AV7000, Beolab 2000's, Beo5 and Beo4
I don't usually mind errors in grammar if they don't make the text harder to understand, but I can't stand pure laziness. There's no excuse for completely missing punctuation and capital letters if you have a physical keyboard and at least two working fingers. Also, how about forming some complete sensible sentences instead of just spewing out dada as if you were a drunk on a telephone. Some writers seem to think it's OK for them to save 30 seconds writing, and make a hundred readers waste 30 seconds trying to understand the text. In that case, it'll need to be a pretty fascinating subject for me to read it instead of just clicking on "back".
Some systematic misspellings annoy me though, like "aviable" (usually meaning something that is available, not likely to become airborne) and "definately"
I've seen a similar picture as the one in the opening post... it said "Grammar: the difference between knowing your sh1it and knowing you're sh1t"
--mika
In another thread one poster got really upset with me when I pondered the origin of his use of the phrase 'Would of' instead of 'Would have' . It has probably developed from shorthand texting and 'of" being close to 'have' in many spoken English accents. That particular poster is also helping the onward development of English where, apparently, crib has moved from meaning a babies cot to meaning the hip room or bedroom of a with-it 'Guy'.
Another aspect of grammar exists in the legal profession where every effort is made not to use commas for fear of introducing ambiguity into agreements.
vikinger:It has probably developed from shorthand texting and 'of" being close to 'have' in many spoken English accents.
More likely misunderstanding of "would've".
Puncher: vikinger:It has probably developed from shorthand texting and 'of" being close to 'have' in many spoken English accents. More likely misunderstanding of "would've".
I'd've thought that would've been possible.
Rich:I expect "would of" will soon join the ever lengthening list of ubiquitous mistakes which include "alot" as one word, "alright" as one word, and the bizarre "I could care less."
At least we are shortening things, whereas the Germans just string all their words together. I was listening to a radio show yesterday where someone said we'd won the first world war because the German word for tank was so long that they couldn't get the order out for their tanks to advance. (No doubt a German speaker will now correct me!)
I am an Australian married to a French woman. English is her second language (she is very fluent), and I don't speak much French.
Sometimes I laugh at the mistakes she makes with English words (because I find it cute, not malicious), and her response is often 'Speak French like I do, and then we'll have this discussion'
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