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I have a Beo4 50" Plasma with Beolab 7.2 and Beo3 +DVBT Module and use the Beo5 remote, I also have a Humax Freesat and a DVD2 + 8000 & 6000 Speakers
I am "thinking" of upgrading the TV but how is it possible with the limited options on offer from B&O, firstly I am limited to size 55-60" would be a max as the TV sits in a recess and is mounted on a BV4 50 remote wall bracket,
My second problem is price ! like what is an LG/B&O really worth compared to getting an LG ?
So what I am asking is what would be the best Screen and Sound Bar upgrade to go with, fit in with and be compatible with my system
Of you have the BeoSystem 3, you can swap the plasma screen for a new LG OLED. You just need to get access to some custom PUC-codes that are available through some very pro forum members. Small investment for a huge upgrade!
My biggest problem is I'm not very technical when it comes to setting these things up, it's like you need a degree just to understand the manuals, what are PUC Codes ?
graham60: My biggest problem is I'm not very technical when it comes to setting these things up, it's like you need a degree just to understand the manuals, what are PUC Codes ?
In that case you will have to invest some efford in learning howto - because it is not that easy for someone ‘not very technical’, someone not familiar with how B&O works.
If you want to start that jouney, you could start with the PUC codes.
These are explained in this video: https://youtu.be/5uyNZ0KL5Wk
However, on an older system like yours these will have to be installed by a B&O technician - with the newer you can download the codes directly as showed there.
Another way to go, would be to ask someone to do the job.....and most likely pay for it.
I assume that you payed someone to set up your recent tv etc back then, since that is not a simple setup either!
You can find lots of instruction, hints here on the forum - there are some beoworlders who have exchainged their old screen with a newer non B&O tv.
There is a tv - and there is a BV
As you already have the beosystem 3 and are controlling the STBs already, you don't need to change anything there. With regard to just swapping the TV, you can do this by disconnecting the DVI connector on the TV and putting a DVI to HDMI converter on it.
Unfortunately, with that setup, you'll have to switch the TV on and off with the LG remote - there is a way to do this, but it is quite technical, requiring a raspberry Pi and some special wiring to simulate the on/off commands from the Beosystem 3 over the serial port.
If you are happy enough with that, you may be able to program the bed 5 to switch on the tv - or get someone to help.
no need to change any of the speakers - that's a great setup as it is.
As for screens, get whatever size you want - OLED if you can afford it. The Beosystem 3 outputs in HD but the TV will upscale to 4K.
That's brilliant news because B&O don't seem to bother about leaving their old customers behind and I've been with them now for 35yrs and started with the Beosystem 6000 & Red line 60 speakers and the rest is history.
I was looking at the B&O TV with the built in sound bar but what use would that be to me as you can't plug anything into it and the rest they offer are too big and cost a fortune.
So on that note I really do appreciate what you have said and I would definitely go for the LG OLED,
Thanks
Don't forget, before disconnecting the beovision 4, to set the beosystem 3 monitor to non-b&O tv. It'll save you hassle later.
just been looking at the B&O Eclipse 55", is there anything to justify the price tag, is it an LG OLED 55" TV or am I missing something, it's like £7k without the speaker cover (Aluminium £900), I have come up with a plan if I could get some help ! and that is get a Beovision 50" Screen surround, a top of the range 50" OLED Screen TV, put them together and mount to my BV4 Motorised Wall Bracket, get it all up and running from my Beo 5 ? and hey presto job done and it all fits in place with the Beosound 7.2 as if nothing has changed, except the picture quality
A guy on ebay says they have the Beovision 4 50" surrounds in stock so it would be a matter of say finding a 50" LG OLED with a border/frame of more than 1" above the 50" screen size as the inner measurement of the Beo Screen Suround is 52" Diagnal,, also the screen ratio would need to be the same as the Beo surround
I'm *** with the technical but I'm good at making things
ANY IDEAS !!!
Hallo Graham,
50" Oled do not exist,
And the Eclipse i definitely worth the money IMO.
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I went through this dilema some time ago, in the end decided to sell for the following reasons.
Beo system 3 cant do 4K and it 'processing abilities did nothing to improve the picture , secondly , the iggest difference is in sound from beosystem 4bases systems- that was the biggest surprise to me
Thirdly, maybe you love the frame of the BV4 but why take a slim OLED panel and put it in a product that is super large and cumbersome by todays standards
Correct ! just been looking and no they don't exist, I have also looked at the LG OLED 55" and I cant see the difference to the Eclipse, what am I missing that justifies the £8,000 price tag, even if you remove the speaker cover (£950) it leaves £7,000, is there something other than the TV & Speaker ?
Correct ! I have just been looking and there are no 50"
How do B&O justify the £8000 price tag ?
This is the reason why you should go the Eclipse/Harmony-way
No hassle with special cables, converters, codes, but maintaining your current (surround)speakers.
The easiness setting it up, the flawless 2 way communication between the BR1BT and tv, where settings, presets, sources are programmed in your BR1 backwards from the Eclipse/Harmony. The speed the “LG” responds to any instruction is very satisfying.
graham60: Correct ! just been looking and no they don't exist, I have also looked at the LG OLED 55" and I cant see the difference to the Eclipse, what am I missing that justifies the £8,000 price tag, even if you remove the speaker cover (£950) it leaves £7,000, is there something other than the TV & Speaker ?
So there is a big center speaker, which is worth a lot.
Then there is a Beosystem 4 integrated which is also worth a lot.
Then there is a Beoremote one, and the possible to use it, which is very important IMO.
Then you get the possibility for Motor stand, or wall mount.
And IMO you get a much nicer and cleaner look with the Eclipse, than you would with a different solution.
It is a Standard LG GX OLED that is on top.
It does not include a beosystem 4 - this had a b&o video engine built in!
Ban boring signatures!
That's the part I didn't understand, I wondered what replaced the Beosystem 3, so is the Beo 4 located in the lower screen extension ?, I assume the Speaker "Bar" is just to house the speakers.
Now one really big problem we have with our current set up is the sound, even with the 8000 & 6000 speakers set at low volume when watching even certain TV programs we have to constantly turn the volume up and down, turn it up to hear Vocals and down when the Sound Track comes in, the sound doesn't bother me that much but it drives my wife mad and there's no way to control the vocals without the backing track blasting out, Don't know how the eclipse performs in this department ??
I'm now getting lost because the Eclipse is now called "second generation", I've seen a "first generation" for sale £6k but B&O don't tell what the difference is, just the same as their information on the product is very sparse.
graham60: That's the part I didn't understand, I wondered what replaced the Beosystem 3, so is the Beo 4 located in the lower screen extension ?, I assume the Speaker "Bar" is just to house the speakers. Now one really big problem we have with our current set up is the sound, even with the 8000 & 6000 speakers set at low volume when watching even certain TV programs we have to constantly turn the volume up and down, turn it up to hear Vocals and down when the Sound Track comes in, the sound doesn't bother me that much but it drives my wife mad and there's no way to control the vocals without the backing track blasting out, Don't know how the eclipse performs in this department ??
The TV is a bog standard LG so all picture processing is from LG. The b&o speaker bit can down/up mix the audio to your preferred speaker setup - therefore audio only, distinguishing it from either the bs3 or 4.
The volume issue you speak of is a dynamic range thing, most TV's will have a "night listening" mode, or similar, which compresses the audio to limit the difference in volume between the loudest and quietest bits to save you from riding the volume control.
graham60: I'm now getting lost because the Eclipse is now called "second generation", I've seen a "first generation" for sale £6k but B&O don't tell what the difference is, just the same as their information on the product is very sparse.
Whereas there were a few custom bits to make the panel fit to the speaker/stand in the mk1, the mk2 is truly a separate LG GX TV which slots onto a b&o made stand/speaker.
I'd love to know what justifies the £8000 price tag (without w'bracket) And a way round it ??????
Speaper cover Aluminium £900
Highest priced LG OLED 55" screen £1600 Retail to Joe public
I think examples are given here.If you're capable of visiting a dealer, look at both and just ask.Or you could try buying a GX version and use it for some time and see what you're missing after some time. Maybe a dealer will sell you the soundcenter, mounting plate etc afterwards.
graham60: I'd love to know what justifies the £8000 price tag (without w'bracket) And a way round it ?????? Speaper cover Aluminium £900 Highest priced LG OLED 55" screen £1600 Retail to Joe public
Did you see my post?
I don't think that it is so hard to see.
You get options and much nicer controls and setup with a Eclipse than any other brand.
Off cause this is not cheap when only one brand does it.
I bet you will not find any solution as nice as the Eclipse.
And please read my post again instead of asking the same question.
Puncher: The TV is a bog standard LG so all picture processing is from LG. The b&o speaker bit can down/up mix the audio to your preferred speaker setup - therefore audio only, distinguishing it from either the bs3 or 4.
The audio engine is the important and expensive bit in a Beosystem 4, else is a tuner and a average HDMI switch.
Also you have the PUC control and everything.
You get a much better TV with a Eclipse than you did with a BV12/11/Avant
Emil Jensen: Puncher: The TV is a bog standard LG so all picture processing is from LG. The b&o speaker bit can down/up mix the audio to your preferred speaker setup - therefore audio only, distinguishing it from either the bs3 or 4. The audio engine is the important and expensive bit in a Beosystem 4, else is a tuner and a average HDMI switch. Also you have the PUC control and everything. You get a much better TV with a Eclipse than you did with a BV12/11/Avant
Wrong! It was the video processing in the bs3 & bs4 that made a TV into a beovision, otherwise its just a sound centre. The picture of the eclipse may be better than at least some of the models you mention but that is because panel technology has moved on since they were current. The picture of the eclipse could be better, as ably demonstrated by Sony, Panasonic and Philips etc. but B&o have decided not to (or can't afford to) strive for the best picture any more.
The audio engine was not the reason d'etre of a Beosystem.
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Mikipidia:What could they possibly improve PQ wise that would be worth the investment? Eclipse is totally worth it imho
Eclipse is totally worth it imho
And thats fine, I'm just picking up a point about what a bs3/4 was and wasn't.
Hi Emil
I think you have answered my question !
Am I correct in saying that the Eclipse (Mk2) is just an LG OLED GX series TV with the 3rd gen. Alpha 9 Processor etc. (all LG & nothing to do with B&O)
And that B&O have added "their" Speaker system /Sound Bar, Their Beo 1 remote control, Their fixings and their Wall Bracket (£800 or £1400 motorise
B&O Eclipse with Aluminium Speaker front (£950) and Motorised Wall Bracket (£1400) £9500
LG OLED 55" GX TV £1600
Go nitpicking or go nuts....
What is important here is, that the BV Eclipse/the BV Harmony has the audio part and more, that was built-in to the BeoSystem 4.
Of course there is no need to dwell on the fact, that there is no video processing there anymore.....why should there, the LG is there for that job.
If you want a closer look at these ‘audio functions’, this is a good point to start:
https://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2017/09/15/bo-tech-its-not-just-a-soundbar/
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Puncher: Emil Jensen: Puncher: The TV is a bog standard LG so all picture processing is from LG. The b&o speaker bit can down/up mix the audio to your preferred speaker setup - therefore audio only, distinguishing it from either the bs3 or 4. The audio engine is the important and expensive bit in a Beosystem 4, else is a tuner and a average HDMI switch. Also you have the PUC control and everything. You get a much better TV with a Eclipse than you did with a BV12/11/Avant Wrong! It was the video processing in the bs3 & bs4 that made a TV into a beovision, otherwise its just a sound centre. The picture of the eclipse may be better than at least some of the models you mention but that is because panel technology has moved on since they were current. The picture of the eclipse could be better, as ably demonstrated by Sony, Panasonic and Philips etc. but B&o have decided not to (or can't afford to) strive for the best picture any more. The audio engine was not the reason d'etre of a Beosystem.
Hallo Puncher,
I cannot seem to find any info on the video processing in the Beosystem 4, as you seem sure can you find some info on this?
The BV12 was just a Panasonic monitor I am pretty sure that the video processing was done there, and the Beosystem 4 was merely a HDMI switch. Also as you could use the Beosystem for other stuff.
Graham60: if you put a list off what you get into the soundcenter of the Eclipse, you would see its worth it. As other tell you her in the soundcenter you get 6 speaker unit with 450 watt power amplifier.
You also get a top surround decoder, puc control (control of 3.parts product with beoremtoe one) , streamer with airplay 2, chromecast audio, tunein and deezer built in. on the 2.gen you will get the information of radio station on the top off the screen and music from chromecast what you play.
You also get the motor control for motorized floor stand and wall bracket for does want to us the motorized stand. So if you again take all this parts and try to buy it seperately in a high quility, my guess is that you will see the price would get close to this £7000. and then you would have many remote controles on the table, and alot off cables and box. Not the same as an beoremote one in your hand.
And seems the 2gen is new designet, and my guess is it will fit the newer LG screen coming later this year also.. =) So you could upgrade your 2020 screen later on. But off course its up to what LG would do in the future.
So go and buy the eclipse TV and you would never regret off that buy :)
And remember we need to support B&O if not we will not have this wonderful B&O product left, and then we can sit her and look in the computer screen and complain why they dont make it :)Yes, because we complain of higher price and not buy it.
I Know you will love your new BeoVision Eclipse 55 2gen:)
Emil Jensen. Her you can see the module in the BeoSystem 4, its one of the latest produced video engine from B&O and same video engine thats are in the beovision 11 and avant mk1.
BV 14 and Avant mk2 have the latest video engine that was build on this video engine platform, before they quite the tv fabric in Struer and get the Deal with LG.
Hope that help you :)
Emil Jensen: Puncher: Emil Jensen: Puncher: The TV is a bog standard LG so all picture processing is from LG. The b&o speaker bit can down/up mix the audio to your preferred speaker setup - therefore audio only, distinguishing it from either the bs3 or 4. The audio engine is the important and expensive bit in a Beosystem 4, else is a tuner and a average HDMI switch. Also you have the PUC control and everything. You get a much better TV with a Eclipse than you did with a BV12/11/Avant Wrong! It was the video processing in the bs3 & bs4 that made a TV into a beovision, otherwise its just a sound centre. The picture of the eclipse may be better than at least some of the models you mention but that is because panel technology has moved on since they were current. The picture of the eclipse could be better, as ably demonstrated by Sony, Panasonic and Philips etc. but B&o have decided not to (or can't afford to) strive for the best picture any more. The audio engine was not the reason d'etre of a Beosystem. Hallo Puncher, I cannot seem to find any info on the video processing in the Beosystem 4, as you seem sure can you find some info on this? The BV12 was just a Panasonic monitor I am pretty sure that the video processing was done there, and the Beosystem 4 was merely a HDMI switch. Also as you could use the Beosystem for other stuff.
I'm sure there be better but HERE
User Manual HERE
graham60: Hi Emil I think you have answered my question ! Am I correct in saying that the Eclipse (Mk2) is just an LG OLED GX series TV with the 3rd gen. Alpha 9 Processor etc. (all LG & nothing to do with B&O) And that B&O have added "their" Speaker system /Sound Bar, Their Beo 1 remote control, Their fixings and their Wall Bracket (£800 or £1400 motorise B&O Eclipse with Aluminium Speaker front (£950) and Motorised Wall Bracket (£1400) £9500 LG OLED 55" GX TV £1600
As Andy is saying a good exercise would be to try to make another setup, and compare prices first, and then looks second.
I think you will find both compelling towards an Eclipse.
Puncher: Emil Jensen: Puncher: Emil Jensen: Puncher: The TV is a bog standard LG so all picture processing is from LG. The b&o speaker bit can down/up mix the audio to your preferred speaker setup - therefore audio only, distinguishing it from either the bs3 or 4. The audio engine is the important and expensive bit in a Beosystem 4, else is a tuner and a average HDMI switch. Also you have the PUC control and everything. You get a much better TV with a Eclipse than you did with a BV12/11/Avant Wrong! It was the video processing in the bs3 & bs4 that made a TV into a beovision, otherwise its just a sound centre. The picture of the eclipse may be better than at least some of the models you mention but that is because panel technology has moved on since they were current. The picture of the eclipse could be better, as ably demonstrated by Sony, Panasonic and Philips etc. but B&o have decided not to (or can't afford to) strive for the best picture any more. The audio engine was not the reason d'etre of a Beosystem. Hallo Puncher, I cannot seem to find any info on the video processing in the Beosystem 4, as you seem sure can you find some info on this? The BV12 was just a Panasonic monitor I am pretty sure that the video processing was done there, and the Beosystem 4 was merely a HDMI switch. Also as you could use the Beosystem for other stuff. I'm sure there be better but HERE User Manual HERE
I am sorry Puncher,
I dont mean to be lesser minded and always like to learn.
But I can see that on the first site they called it a video engine, but in what regard.
I can only see that it is a HDMI Switch with some Colour management. Where is the Engine?
Emil Jensen: Puncher: Emil Jensen: Puncher: Emil Jensen: Puncher: The TV is a bog standard LG so all picture processing is from LG. The b&o speaker bit can down/up mix the audio to your preferred speaker setup - therefore audio only, distinguishing it from either the bs3 or 4. The audio engine is the important and expensive bit in a Beosystem 4, else is a tuner and a average HDMI switch. Also you have the PUC control and everything. You get a much better TV with a Eclipse than you did with a BV12/11/Avant Wrong! It was the video processing in the bs3 & bs4 that made a TV into a beovision, otherwise its just a sound centre. The picture of the eclipse may be better than at least some of the models you mention but that is because panel technology has moved on since they were current. The picture of the eclipse could be better, as ably demonstrated by Sony, Panasonic and Philips etc. but B&o have decided not to (or can't afford to) strive for the best picture any more. The audio engine was not the reason d'etre of a Beosystem. Hallo Puncher, I cannot seem to find any info on the video processing in the Beosystem 4, as you seem sure can you find some info on this? The BV12 was just a Panasonic monitor I am pretty sure that the video processing was done there, and the Beosystem 4 was merely a HDMI switch. Also as you could use the Beosystem for other stuff. I'm sure there be better but HERE User Manual HERE I am sorry Puncher, I dont mean to be lesser minded and always like to learn. But I can see that on the first site they called it a video engine, but in what regard. I can only see that it is a HDMI Switch with some Colour management. Where is the Engine?
HERE
Thank you Puncher, did not know that.
When I speak of these thing, I usually call it ‘the audio engine of the BSys4’ (because that is what it is, even if that also is refined and changed a bit since then).
Maybe the guys in Struer just realized that - in a rapidly changing ‘video’ world, they’d better use their limited resources on audio, ease of controlling (and design/material quality, of course) instead of trying to keep up with companies like Samsung and LG for video technologies.
Maybe we could call a modern Beovision a Bang & Olufsen Sound Center with an integrated LG/OLED screen.
andybandy:BV 14 and Avant mk2 have the latest video engine that was build on this video engine platform, before they quite the tv fabric in Struer and get the Deal with LG. Hope that help you :)
I tend to disagree with some of what you say, firstly the beo remote, I use the Beo 5, I can go to the screen "Lounge" here I see DTV, DVD, DVD2, FREESAT, RADIO, CD, A.TAPE, (TV BRACKET, MEMORY, IN), I can then go to screen 2 and see Speakers, Light etc., and all I need do is touch/press screen and everything is there, take "Light" for instance I have a Lutron Light zone controller and the screen on the Beo 5 corresponds to the colours on the Lutron and all the commands are all there on the 2 1/2" screen and it's the same for every item that's programmed in.
Next I have the Beolab 7.2 Speaker (obviously not a patch on the Eclipse ?)
Then there's the Beosound 3 with DVBT module (obsolete ! but won't the LG GX upscale the picture ?)
Then the Beo 4 50" (OK I accept it's old technology but there's nothing wrong with the picture and that's why I would never buy an LCD Screen)
And finally the motorised wall bracket that not only brings the screen & speaker away from the wall, it moves them into the room, but it's of no use because the Eclipse uses a Hinge (in fact it looks like if you move it too far the sound bar will hit the wall)
Now here we have it, the dilemma I am faced with ! Do I throw all the above into a skip as it's just a pile of junk, or that's the impression I get from the B&O dealership that offered me 10% in part ex, so a £9k spend= £900 for all the above, The wall bracket alone was close to £1500 but hey it's all useless
And do I feel let down by B&O yes I do after 35yrs with them (Beocentre 6000 & RL 60 Speakers), and what do I do with the DVD2, the Overture, the 8000, 6000 Speakers & Beo 2 Sub, Do I skip the lot ?, Sorry I forgot the Beocom 2 Phone and the B&O Keyring
B&O are abandoning long standing customers (unless you have a Bentley parked on your driveway that is) and their "Share" price tumbles, I think they are losing the plot !!