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Beomaster 1900-2 won't power on

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sonavor replied on Fri, Feb 26 2021 6:35 PM

Do you hear the protection relay click when it does that?

It sounds like your Beomaster 1900 has more faults in the output amplifier section than just the power transistors that you found damaged. The blown -31VDC filter capacitor incident likely did more damage.

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yes relays click  if i do it with the caps off it stays out of standby

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sonavor replied on Fri, Feb 26 2021 8:45 PM

Okay, then you have some work cut out for you regarding finding the failed components.  A big task I know but it has to be done.

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interestingly i took it out of the case again connected everything back up and it turned on and stayed on!

just broken the power switch tho snapped a tab off

gonna try it back in the case

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huge update

its working !

 

i just tried to set the idle voltage though and i dont seem to be able to get any results that make sensethe measurement is bouncing around all over the place it doesnt stay still an as soon as i touch the pot it changes even more

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sonavor replied on Sat, Feb 27 2021 4:05 PM

After you discovered that IC200 and IC300 were bad did you check TR214/314 and TR215/315 transistors?   I would also check TR212/312 and TR213/313. I always change the R249/349 trimmers on my BM1900/2400 restorations. You didn't mention whether you did that.  

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I have replaced them Bourne's 3386p's

When I hooked up the speakers again the right Channel ID far quieter than the left it sounds ok just very quiet

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sonavor replied on Sat, Feb 27 2021 5:48 PM

Okay, but you shouldn't really operate it until you set the no-load current.
When you were measuring across the emitter resistor for that no-load current adjustment did you make sure you were measuring DC voltage and not AC voltage?

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it was fluctuating less than 1mV

im just taking it apart again to test those tr numbers you mentioned

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i assume the TR's you mentioned are these ones 

 

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i assume the TR's you mentioned are these ones 

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those are ok  212/212 213/313

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sonavor replied on Sat, Feb 27 2021 8:06 PM

Brokenstereo:

it was fluctuating less than 1mV

So you adjust and measure about 12mV across the 0.47 emitter resistor on each channel?

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Duplicate post

 

 

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Yes or near as damn it  I was surprised how sensitive the adjusting was, breathing near it and changed dramatically  they were 250 ohm ones I replaced them with 

 

I should say I think I measured the right resistors it was same as pics on beolover 

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sonavor replied on Sat, Feb 27 2021 10:05 PM

I like to replace the idle-current trimmer resistors with the multi-turn style. They make much finer grained adjustments than the single-turn type.

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i cant find any at a reasonable price in the uk

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sonavor replied on Sun, Feb 28 2021 9:34 PM

I like to use these.

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It's silly it's £12 postage yet £5 for the parts 

Do you think I could get away with a 200r or 500r version ? I can get them without stupid postage costs

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sonavor replied on Sun, Feb 28 2021 11:24 PM

I would stick with the 250 ohm single-turn trimmers you have. They are fine. I just like the multi-turn better but as you say, not for shipping costs that are more than the part. It is probably similar here but I always do orders with Mouser, Digikey or Newark when I have a lot of parts to order. So the shipping cost works out more reasonably that way.

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does anyone know what this type of capacitor is ? its in my beogram 1600  type 5713

 

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Dillen replied on Mon, Mar 1 2021 12:48 PM

It's a styroflex type.
One of the most reliable components on this planet.

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doent need replacing then ?

once i had the beomaster "working" i tried the beogram and it was humming loudly so thought lets replace the caps . so this one shouldnt need replacing then?

the electrolytic caps ive id'd are 10uF  63v, 4.7uF 63v and a 470uF 40v

 

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Martin

what do you think may be the reason the output from the right chanel is so quiet?

ive replaced ic200/201/300/301 both sets of resistors per channel the trimmers too

the balance control seems to work as in it fades from side to side (is there better checks to carry out)

while i sit here waiting patiently for my second set of  5600 caps to arrive Unsure

 

ps thankyou for your outstanding service by email so far :)

pps do you have a spare power switch for the 1900?

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sonavor replied on Mon, Mar 1 2021 4:24 PM

If you mean an audio hum through your audio system then none of the capacitors in the Beogram will have anything to do with that.
The audio path through a Beogram turntable is almost direct from the phono cartridge to the pins of the DIN connector that fits onto an amplifier phono input.

The phono signals go through a connector or two but that is it. No other electrical components.

If you are hearing an audible hum in the signal then either your grounding wire from the phono cable to the chassis of the amplifier are not connected or you have a problem with the phono cartridge.

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sonavor replied on Mon, Mar 1 2021 4:31 PM

Brokenstereo:

what do you think may be the reason the output from the right channel is so quiet?

 


Are you connecting your speakers to the speaker 1 jacks or the speaker 2 jacks?
The reason I ask is because if you happened to be using the speaker 2 jacks the little switch for them could be dirty.

Otherwise I would probably suspect the volume control LDR device in the Beomaster 1900.
Occasionally they cause problems.

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iirc it was on both and its a new switch

might need to get martin to post me out a set of the ldr components then :)

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Ok new trimmers in 200ohm worked ok  new 5600 caps are in too.

 

There is still and imbalance in the levels and there is something up with the earth on the phono input as if I just plug a din cable in and touch it it makes noise 

But second to that the platter on the deck is wobbling and speeds all over the place will need to check on what I replaced in that too 

 

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Dillen replied on Wed, Mar 3 2021 10:28 AM

Add a little more tension to the DIN socket contacts.

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Without trying to  sound stupid 

 

How :)

 

Thanks for the second set of caps they arrived yesterday.

 

Any thoughts on the Channel imbalance? Would your ldr kit be worthwhile? Is it hard to to get the distances right as you have seen do far I'm a hamfisted halfwit :)

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Dillen replied on Wed, Mar 3 2021 12:37 PM

A small screwdrive or similar tool in behind the socket contacts, one by one, and pry them a little bit together to increase the contact pressure.
This photo shows speaker sockets but the principle is the same:

Difficult to diagnose from a distance - but check with a scope and see, where the left and right signals begin to differ in amplitude.

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Knew you would say a scope! 

 

Any idea what sort of spec I need I was looking  a week ago and have no idea 

I can't stretch too far seeing as buying this amp in the first place wasnt planed expenditure so all this following stuff sure as hell wasn't!

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Dont know if it's related but when playing something through the tape input but the unit set to phono I could hear the tape input quietly but certainly there

Tried closing down the contacts in the phono socket no change 

 

 

 

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