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Leslie Posted: Sat, Feb 2 2013 10:08 PM

Just finished repairing my two Century's and one Beosound Ouverture who had all 3 defect laser heads. Bought new lasers CDM12.4 on Ebay for 8 euro each and  replaced them with the faulty ones.

Now they all working again.  Another thing learnedSmile

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Oh wow! You are handy! I wonder how much they would charge to repair them at the shops. 

Oh the good old days of the Ouverture and Centurys and the Beosound 1. 

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Leslie replied on Sat, Feb 2 2013 10:57 PM

I guess more then (or is it than) 100 euro's?

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Steffen replied on Sat, Feb 2 2013 11:50 PM

wonderfulelectric:

Oh wow! You are handy! I wonder how much they would charge to repair them at the shops. 

Oh the good old days of the Ouverture and Centurys and the Beosound 1. 

Recently I bought a Beosound 2300 very cheap Lets have a Party !!!
The seller showed me an invoice from when the local B&O shop installed a new CD mech a few years ago...it was 3.000 DKKr (appr. 400€) Huh?

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Leslie replied on Sat, Feb 2 2013 11:58 PM

Some people do replace laserheads for that amount I was talking about! If you know how to do it (as always) then (or than Confused) its quite an easy job, however, you need to take ESD precautions and some skills to do this.

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Leslie:
I guess more then (or is it than) 100 euro's?

I don't have anything with an inbuilt CD/DVD drive anymore, but if I had the skills to do something like that, I might not have gone external so quickly. Good on for keeping those things alive!

 

Off-topic, but

Leslie:
then (or than Confused

It's "then" if somethings follows another thing, either in time or as a cause: If A happens, then B happens, for instance. 

It's "than" if you're comparing two things: He was better than me. I could do better than that. I'd rather have an apple than an orange.

 

So, using your two sentences as examples, it would be:

I guess more than100 euro's?

And:

If you know how to do it then its quite an easy job

 

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Michael replied on Sun, Feb 3 2013 12:50 AM

Leslie, could you please let me know where you bought these units? I want to buy one of the same.

I recently bought a century for 500 SEK including a Beo4, the only problem is the broken cd-player otherwise I think it was extremely cheap. I am not going to use the cd-player but always fun to have things in working order. But mostly I enjoy fixing things Smile.  

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Leslie:

I guess more then (or is it than) 100 euro's?

Ermm... Me don't think so. A basic servicing of a Beosound 9000 will cost way more than that. And I just replaced the lenses on my lab 3s and they cost me around say 300 euro each. I knocked them over... etc... long story... Anyway repairs at B&O not covered under the warranty definitely not cheap. 

LOL... Speaking of which that could have bought me a Beolit 12. 

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Leslie replied on Sun, Feb 3 2013 8:55 PM

wonderfulelectric:
Ermm... Me don't think so

Ermm... Me think yes. Again, the +100 euro price I mentioned is based from someone who offers his services through Ebay replacing lasers.

Dealer prices? I don't know...

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Leslie replied on Sun, Feb 3 2013 8:56 PM

Thanks "Electrified" for the tutorial then/than.Smile

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Leslie replied on Sun, Feb 3 2013 8:59 PM

Michael:
Leslie, could you please let me know where you bought these units? I want to buy one of the same.

I recently bought a century for 500 SEK including a Beo4, the only problem is the broken cd-player otherwise I think it was extremely cheap. I am not going to use the cd-player but always fun to have things in working order. But mostly I enjoy fixing things Smile.  

Sure, why not? Check this!

Why aren't you using the CD player?

 

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Michael replied on Mon, Feb 4 2013 12:41 PM

Leslie:

Michael:
Leslie, could you please let me know where you bought these units? I want to buy one of the same.

I recently bought a century for 500 SEK including a Beo4, the only problem is the broken cd-player otherwise I think it was extremely cheap. I am not going to use the cd-player but always fun to have things in working order. But mostly I enjoy fixing things Smile.  

Sure, why not? Check this!

Why aren't you using the CD player?

Thanks! I am not using the CD mainly because I have most of my music digitalized on s server with I push music from with AirPlay. But I do have a BS9000 with CD´s that I use quite a lot. But the BS century will mainly play music from AirPlay (AirPort Express) and a MacBook Air. But I want it in working condition in case a CD is put in it sometime Smile.

I was also thinking about changing the speaker grilles, I think you have a good experience of this, would you recommend it? I have the green ones now but I like it more in black (I had one before) or some other colour.

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Beobuddy replied on Mon, Feb 4 2013 12:52 PM

Same story here.

 

As I have converted my complete music collection into wma lossless, I still like the presence of a BS9000.

It's a piece of art, and you don't have to convert a cd if you want to play one spontaneously.

So I Bought a BS9000 which needed a lot of new parts. I also replaced the laser, which takes more time than replacing a laser from any BS2300-3200 range.

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J1MUV replied on Mon, Feb 4 2013 1:01 PM

Just had B&O replace my BS9000 laser....£288.

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Ordered my CDM 12.6 complete for BS9000. Costs € 13,- ex. Shipping.

Note: if you're dealer replaces, then you'll get the complete set of laser and control board. So you'll get the latest version possible.

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Michael replied on Mon, Feb 4 2013 2:56 PM

What difference is there between CDM12.4 and CDM12.6? I did have a few issues with my BS9000 but it seems to work after a good cleaning of the lens. I need a laser for the century right now. (And I have a spare BS9000 to take parts from in case my regular one goes down). 

I was thinking of buying this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Original-Philips-VAM1204-CDM12-4-05-Laser-Head-Lens-/181006831123?pt=US_CD_Players_Recorders&hash=item2a24d90e13

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Older models of Beosound Century/2300/2500/overture have the CDM4 Unit (where the laser moves along an arc). These models have a very robust laser which very seldom has to be replaced. The do instead suffer from the famous capacity problem described in many threads.

Newer models (from appr. 1995) of Beosound Century/2300/2500/overture later including 3000/3200 with the laser moving along straight line use the well renowned CDM12 industrial and its successors and different models, CDM12 ind., VAU1253, CDpro, CDpro2 and possibly CDpro2LF in the latest models. These unit are all pin compatible and exchangeable with each other. These models use the same laser as the CDM12.4 (also named VAM1204) with the chip TDA1302T. These unit are also used in many so called Hi-end CD players, transporters and juke-boxes from Maranz, NAD and others.

So for replacement of the laser use the the CDM12.4 (VAM1204) with the chip TDA1302T.

Should look as the photo. Ribbon cable marked 29-04-93

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Older models of Beosound Century/2300/2500/overture have the CDM4 Unit (where the laser moves along an arc). These models have a very robust laser which very seldom has to be replaced. They do instead suffer from the famous capacity problem described in many threads.

Newer models (from appr. 1995) of Beosound Century/2300/2500/overture later including 3000/3200 with the laser moving along straight line use the well renowned CDM12 industrial and its successors and different models, CDM12 ind., VAU1253, CDpro, CDpro2 and possibly CDpro2LF in the latest models. These unit are all pin compatible and exchangeable with each other. These models use the same laser as the CDM12.4 (also named VAM1204) with the chip TDA1302T. These unit are also used in many so called Hi-end CD players, transporters and juke-boxes from Maranz, NAD and others.

So for replacement of the laser use the the CDM12.4 (VAM1204) with the chip TDA1302T.

Should look as the photo. Ribbon cable marked 29-04-93

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Michael replied on Tue, Feb 5 2013 3:55 PM

Bos00:

Older models of Beosound Century/2300/2500/overture have the CDM4 Unit (where the laser moves along an arc). These models have a very robust laser which very seldom has to be replaced. They do instead suffer from the famous capacity problem described in many threads.

Newer models (from appr. 1995) of Beosound Century/2300/2500/overture later including 3000/3200 with the laser moving along straight line use the well renowned CDM12 industrial and its successors and different models, CDM12 ind., VAU1253, CDpro, CDpro2 and possibly CDpro2LF in the latest models. These unit are all pin compatible and exchangeable with each other. These models use the same laser as the CDM12.4 (also named VAM1204) with the chip TDA1302T. These unit are also used in many so called Hi-end CD players, transporters and juke-boxes from Maranz, NAD and others.

So for replacement of the laser use the the CDM12.4 (VAM1204) with the chip TDA1302T.

Should look as the photo. Ribbon cable marked 29-04-93

Interesting, thanks for all info! Very interesting to read. I did not know the older "arch" lasers where more stable but I have always wondered why they changed the design to a straight line engine driven solution instead of the magnetic one. Perhaps cheaper and lighter? I ordered a cdm12.4 with the exact same chip and design as your photo. 

Looking forward to take the beosound century apart, exciting.

I see you live in Halmstad, I live in Båstad so you are probably the closest BeoWorld member I have seen here.

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BO replied on Tue, Feb 5 2013 5:29 PM

Michael:
I see you live in Halmstad, I live in Båstad so you are probably the closest BeoWorld member I have seen here.

Probably. If you need any help please fell free to ask.

You also bough a used Century a month ago from Landskrona. I had alredy made an agreement with the seller but couldn't pick it up the same evening.Surprise

 

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BO replied on Tue, Feb 5 2013 5:29 PM

Michael:
I see you live in Halmstad, I live in Båstad so you are probably the closest BeoWorld member I have seen here.

Probably. If you need any help please fell free to ask.

You also bough a used Century a month ago from Landskrona. I had already made an agreement with the seller but couldn't pick it up the same evening.Surprise

 

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BO replied on Tue, Feb 5 2013 5:32 PM

Michael:
I have always wondered why they changed the design to a straight line engine driven solution instead of the magnetic one.

Well it was changed by the supplier (Philips). Probably related to production costs. The CDM4 was already then a very old design.

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Michael replied on Tue, Feb 5 2013 6:16 PM

Bos00:

Probably. If you need any help please fell free to ask.

You also bough a used Century a month ago from Landskrona. I had already made an agreement with the seller but couldn't pick it up the same evening.Surprise

Thanks :). Yes, you are correct! Sorry, I did not know about that Unsure.

I hope you have more stuff to repair :). This century will be installed in my partners apartment in Lund when I am finished with it so it will not be unused at least, or sold for profit. 

I dont know when the CDM will arrive but I bought it with free shipping from China so I would guess a week or two.  

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Michael replied on Wed, Feb 6 2013 10:55 AM
"This seller is currently away until Feb 17, 2013. If you make a purchase, there may be a delay in processing your order." How annoying, I cant even wait a day or two, and now I have to wait almost two weeks just for him to ship it. :/

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Leslie replied on Wed, Feb 6 2013 11:03 AM

Got one left, only 200 EuroBig Smile

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Michael replied on Wed, Feb 6 2013 11:24 AM

Leslie:

Got one left, only 200 EuroBig Smile

HAHA, no thanks :D. I´m thinking about buying another one from someone else on ebay but I should probably just wait.. Boooring.

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Leslie replied on Wed, Feb 6 2013 5:17 PM

Patience my friend, when he's back it takes another three weeks for deliverySmile

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Michael:
"This seller is currently away until Feb 17, 2013. If you make a purchase, there may be a delay in processing your order." How annoying, I cant even wait a day or two, and now I have to wait almost two weeks just for him to ship it. :/

Den som väntar på något gott, väntar aldrig för länge.Big Smile

 

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Michael replied on Wed, Feb 6 2013 9:33 PM

Arent you guys funny AngryBig Smile

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Michael replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 10:32 PM

Jippii. Today when I got home I found a parcel from china in the mailbox. It was the laser I ordered from ebay. Funny enough it did not come in a box like leslies but some chinese label. The laser itself looks authentic and has the Philips chip so it is probably just packed in their own boxes. Who knows. 

I just wonder, Leslie, could you tell me which screwdrivers I need to use to change it? I don't have the century at my place at the time and I will try to carry out the service where it is. I guess it is just a philips screwdriver for the enclosure and perhaps some torx or smaller flat head-screws inside?

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Leslie replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 11:14 PM

Hey Michael, just arrived in Houston in a hotel where they don't have a restaurant??? Never been in the US before so probably you have to get your own food for diner. Have to look for a Pizza place to get a little bite...

For replacing the laser you need a (very) small Torx screwdriver in order to remove the small metal bar/slider. Can't make any pictures now.

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Michael replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 11:19 PM

Leslie:

Hey Michael, just arrived in Houston in a hotel where they don't have a restaurant??? Never been in the US before so probably you have to get your own food for diner. Have to look for a Pizza place to get a little bite...

For replacing the laser you need a (very) small Torx screwdriver in order to remove the small metal bar/slider. Can't make any pictures now.

Hi Leslie, sounds fun! I hope you are having a fun trip even if the hotel don't have their own restaurant. I have heard about such hotels before, that would never happen in Europe :). Thanks for your info. I´ll take my torx-set with me and see what I can do.

What are you doing in Houston?

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Leslie replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 11:29 PM

At the moment lying on my bed get a good rest (7 hours time difference, earlier) so its still daylight!

I'm here for business (Honeywell).  

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Michael replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 11:34 PM

Leslie:

At the moment lying on my bed get a good rest (7 hours time difference, earlier) so its still daylight!

I'm here for business (Honeywell).  

Ah, sounds fun! Honeywell is probably a fun place to work also Smile. And you can have a loong night sleep!

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Leslie replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 11:46 PM

By the way, no need to tell about ESD precautions? Try to avoid touching the flatcable contacts, there is shortcircuit clamp at the end of the flatcable. Remove it at the end of the assembly process.

You know what? Hotel receptionist ordered a pizza for me, they gonna deliver it at my room, how do you like that? Wow! Not used to it!

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Leslie replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 11:50 PM

Michael:
Honeywell is probably a fun place to work also Smile.
Best company in the world! 35 service years in June this year...

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Michael replied on Tue, Feb 26 2013 11:51 PM

Leslie:

By the way, no need to tell about ESD precautions? Try to avoid touching the flatcable contacts, there is shortcircuit clamp at the end of the flatcable. Remove it at the end of the assembly process.

You know what? Hotel receptionist ordered a pizza for me, they gonna deliver it at my room, how do you like that? Wow! Not used to it!

Thanks for the concern. I´ll try not to touch it on the contacts. I saw the clamper and also thought that was what it was but did not know for sure. But now I do. I work quite a bit with electronics so I think I will be successful with this unit but thats easy to say before I give it a try. 

The pizza-thing sounds great! I wish we had home delivery here, but getting it to a hotel room, sounds fun! Bon Appetit! 

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Leslie replied on Wed, Feb 27 2013 12:01 AM

I'm sure you will Michael! I wonder how big the Pizza will be (ha ha)! A boys dream comes true, I'm in the USA. Been in many countries worldwide but never in this great country, until now!

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Michael replied on Wed, Feb 27 2013 12:07 AM

Leslie:

I'm sure you will Michael! I wonder how big the Pizza will (ha ha)! A boys dream comes true, I'm in the USA. Been in many countries worldwide but never in this great country, until now!

Thanks :). Haha, yes well I guess you´ll know soon! Pizza on the room is not too bad. Congrats to finally set foot in USA!

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BO replied on Wed, Feb 27 2013 11:09 AM

I,ll just did a successful laser exchange on a BC2300. 

I can help you if needed.

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