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I noticed how I might have upset quite a few Beoworlders but I will really like to state a case for myself.
I bring out brands and other "stuff" unrelated to B&O. I mean even the skincare I mention is related to B&O. B&O might want to branch out to that one day.... B&O can bring out some high tech perfume aluminum spritzer.... or something... Isn't B&O supposed to be a luxury lifestyle brand? B&O used to collaborate with LV for a reason! But too badd those cases are no where to be found or bought... Custom order for months? I don't think anyone has the patience for that....
And oh please ever since B&O got so focused about bringing out audio and visual products aka the acoustic lenses loudspeakers and oversized vulgar tvs like the Beovision 4. I only saw a decline in brand loyalty, I mean which interior decorator will encourage their clients to buy them? And speaking of polarizing.... the lenses range did nothing but chased off the female or design conscious clients (B&O core clients)... And it's not like it is that great acoustically I mean there are benefits of course but do those outweigh the cons?
FYI both Sony and Samsung have their own skincare divisions and so do many tech companies. Health and wellness are huge ( revenues in billions!).... And the failure for B&O to strive in this increasingly beauty conscious society just goes to show you the CEO's logic. I mean lol if the Olsen Twins and J.lo have their own labels that have a higher turnover than B&O... I say we have a problem.
And speaking of Vulgar... which cultured person in the right mind will get the Beovision 4 unless he/she has a dedicated entertainment room and if that's the case B&O will not be the obvious choice for them. If they can afford an entertainment room they will probably go with high end projectors and fully concealed active sound systems.
So B&O right now is neither here nor there. It doesn't have as big an audiophile credential as other high end brands and neither is it capturing the style conscious. And the whole multiple Beolab 5 installation at CES is just plain vulgar and desperate. B&O is not a car manufacturer or Triumph motorcycle lol...God I am mean...
But I am really seeing a shift now since... the Beolab 12s, A9 , Lab 15&16s and the latest Beovisions.. But it is time to ditch the proprietary connections... It just adds inconvenience to the modern day consumers not that is superior than the industry standards (RCA/XLR) in any way. And it makes them feel exploited and not no mention that B&O is infamous for creating sources with below average performance that match their superior speakers. B&O doesn't have as big a market command as Apple so I think sticking to their own connectors is just a little dim. Besides Apple is now going wireless with syncing etc so.... The industry can smell a rat when they see it... Apple responded and what did B&O do? Introduce RJ45 connectors instead. Anyway I might get the Beolab 12-3s very soon despite...although I really do hope I see a real floor-standing replacement of the Lab 9s before I make my purchase...
I have seen luxury apartments and really rarely do they use B&O anymore... Most of the range from 2003 onwards up until recently are just plain vulgar. Funny thing is that you would think they would appeal to the alpha male consumers more with the lenses and awkward TVs but really those very clienteles B&O is trying to attract are more serious about pure performance and they drove away the their design centric main clienteles in the attempt.
And the whole CEO speech about putting more focus on audio... well I am not seeing more active monitors or anything of such... there used to be a plan to have a pro division.... So I say it is now less audio centric and more fad centric. The whole Beoplay branding is odd to say the least, If the line is meant solely for i devices then it makes sense but with a Beovision in the range... It's just weird.. I mean Sony just released a TV that looked very much like the Beovision V1 if not better looking so... And the Beovision 7 just have a horrible look with the double column stands and all. And I thought B&O is supposed to have an understated but luxurious aesthetic.
PS. B&O is a luxury designer centric lifestyle brand to begin with so.... when did being vulgar = luxury?
IMHO the CEO looks very run of the mill alpha male to me.... not remotely like a person who embodies luxury or vision. Tripling profits in the next couple of years.... Oh well if you could't do it then and now what makes you so sure? And to make such a bold and un calculated statement just reflects more of his lack of refinement than anything else..... B&O is the only few multinational luxury label that is failing and we all know why. Recession is to blame? I don't think so. And PS. B&O used to be one of the most respected brands in the industry so.... You can extrapolate from here.
Feel free to pour in your acid comments now....
Having met Tue, I can confirm he is a staggeringly intelligent hard working chap who I am sure is only good for B&O. The world is changing and B&O has to move with the times. I am confident that Tue is the right man to do this.
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Peter: Having met Tue, I can confirm he is a staggeringly intelligent hard working chap who I am sure is only good for B&O. The world is changing and B&O has to move with the times. I am confident that Tue is the right man to do this.
Yeah..... We'll see... In another 2 yrs perhaps?
Not being able to forecast losses and missing the target.... Previously saying that he foresee a double digit growth?....
IMHO a guy like him not so hip anymore... Maybe back in the 80s.... Not now...
PS. Prada's stocks doubled... and let's not to mention Burberry and Hugo Boss the same time whilst he was instated as CEO of B&O. The thing about him is that he doesn't seem to have taste... I can't describe it..... He said he was not brought up in luxury so how is he going to know luxury innately?
You kinda need to have a knack for this kinda thing you know. Maybe he should hire a creative director and he would just audit creative directors ideas instead just like almost all big luxury brands do?
Yes he is right that B&O has the potential to be huge... But with just him? I am not so sure. Moving the core products straight into BeoPlay? Kinda odd. Not replacing the earset is totally weird too. The official website claimed it to be lightweight.... It was never lightweight compared to any earbuds out there... last I remembered this hook design is meant to make sure that the earbuds stay in place that all... yes the earset is iconic but maybe change the material and tweak the design? Most shops that used to carry them don't carry them anymore for obvious reasons.
Bang&olufsen are a audio visual company,who stand out from the rest,with their iconic designs,ease of use,simplicity and crafmanship.
Most owners buy the brand because of this, and are fed up with,loads of different boxes,controls and cables,and components that all look the same as other brands.It is not a lifestyle brand.it is a audio company with a pedigree to prove it,they are not interested in being the first in the technology stakes,they introduce it through time,to make it less complicated for the user,as alot of companies bamboozle customers with specs.
I think you should go on to a fashion forum or hi-fi forum as thats were your passion is,and b&o is clearly no t the brand for you,instead of polluting beoworld with constance dribble,that people come on here, to get away from.
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butch1: Bang&olufsen are a audio visual company,who stand out from the rest,with their iconic designs,ease of use,simplicity and crafmanship. Most owners buy the brand because of this, and are fed up with,loads of different boxes,controls and cables,and components that all look the same as other brands.It is not a lifestyle brand.it is a audio company with a pedigree to prove it,they are not interested in being the first in the technology stakes,they introduce it through time,to make it less complicated for the user,as alot of companies bamboozle customers with specs. I think you should go on to a fashion forum or hi-fi forum as thats were your passion is,and b&o is clearly no t the brand for you,instead of polluting beoworld with constance dribble,that people come on here, to get away from.
Indeed yes... But they have not pushed it to the level that most can accept! The whole lens range? I remember how the Beosound 5 needed another box to work. And the powerlink connections? How is that simple? And trust me not all B&O products are easy to use. Luxury can be discrete starting from the internals.... you don't have to push it in people's faces that's true.
And PS.... With the whole lab range... B&O has been pushing the whole watts watts watts idea... And the CES.... Do you know what are you talking about Butch1? All I am saying is that B&O should return to its roots. Just making quality easy to use and non-vulgar lifestyle products.
B&O makes clocks and used to make stethoscopes etc.... So hell yeah it is a lifestyle company. What are you talking about? Some electronic companies even make lifestyle monitors etc....
Like Mont Blanc was just a pen company and look how they diversified?
B&O worked with LV for a reason.... Hello... So you say B&O is not about fashion or glamour? BTW that's what rescued B&O from its last crisis.
And Butch1 you seem to have no awareness of the fact that you derailed quite a few threads yourself. I didn't want to call you out because I thought you know... I mean you and your Linn? Hello...
wonderfulelectric:All I am saying is that B&O should return to its roots.
You keep saying that, but completely fail to realise that their roots are that of making good sounding objects. Only later did they make use of actual designers (not many with that title back then). Their "roots" aren't back in the 00s or even the 90s, but all the way back in the 1920s.
Yeah I realize that well... B&O started small... By roots I meant what propelled them to worldwide recognition.
wonderfulelectric:Yeah I realize that well... B&O started small... By roots I meant what propelled them to worldwide recognition.
And again: That was good sounding stereos, tv's, and speakers, which was easy to use and looked good in most homes. Their roots aren't making asthma inhalers, clocks or anything of the kind.
Indeed well that doesn't mean they can't diversify.
BTW many of their systems not the easiest to use. They look good for sure... Can't say the same for the old lens range though... Bold and avantgarde yes but just wears off really quickly. The BeoSound 9000 for example needs maintenance like all the time. TVs and speakers nothing to complain about although they did go through this horrible phase where multiple boxes were required for their plasma setup. And again the connections! If B&O is going to state the claim for affordable and efficient connectivity please go XLR.... Unless that is they don't want anyone measuring their analog outputs because of how embarrassing things might just get.
powerlink connections simple one cable.
lv made a phone case,does not make b&o a fashion brand.
The so called box was called a beomaster 5.
You derailed the threads regarding linn by stating I was lying about having a system
Can you please think of the other users of this site,which has been a happy place until you arrived.Longtime helpful,knowledgable posters are now leaving,because of you and your threads,you are getting alot of peoples backs up.
You know what you are doing as you are planting seeds for people to retaliate,I am guilty of this aswell.I am only suggested you could have a better conversation in a high end audiophile forum,with like minded people,as most beowrlders,are not interested,in most of your posts,especially regarding the fashion industry.
I have just came in from a long hard day at work,and love to go on beoworld,to read whats new or in the horizon,not to hear about fashion.Please do us all a favour,and spend your time on a forum,which your knowledge,will be appreciated and not slated,as you get on here.You either love it or just like winding everyone up,which is very selfish,I thought you were a buddhist.
FFS, you make one assertation and base your entire argument on that premise. When you're then shown you're wrong, you just move on to a new assertion without acknowledging you were wrong, and definately not taking the new facts into account.
Oh, well, at least you have your own threads now.
As for XLR. How is that making it easier for the ordinary bloke? They are bulky and since you don't move around with the equipment while connected and certainly doesn't need to plug in and unplug constantly, what is the purpose of that?
What makes you think you can't measure something because it doesn't have XLR?
On second thought. Don't answer the XLR questions, I can't be bothered responding to more idle speculation.
Well I wasn't talking about fashion as in clothes was I? I was talking about the luxury sector in general.
B&O is referred to as a luxury lifestyle brand by the industry not just me. Look at the distribution and way they present their products?.... See any parallels?
XLR simple one cable too... Hello... And really who daisy chains Beolab speakers like the powerlink cable was intended for?
If they were anticipating for multiple speaker setups like in hotels and restaurants... I am sure they can just create a box for that purpose.
The whole reality of their own connection is a little darker than what they like to portray... Lock people into the brand!
Powerlink just increases channel crosstalk and noise for most users that' all.
You brought up the Linn and asked me to look at your system so I looked.... Well no nobody is forcing you to look at my thread. Obviously.
Electrified: FFS, you make one assertation and base your entire argument on that premise. When you're then shown you're wrong, you just move on to a new assertion without acknowledging you were wrong, and definately not taking the new facts into account. Oh, well, at least you have your own threads now. As for XLR. How is that making it easier for the ordinary bloke? They are bulky and since you don't move around with the equipment while connected and certainly doesn't need to plug in and unplug constantly, what is the purpose of that? What makes you think you can't measure something because it doesn't have XLR? On second thought. Don't answer the XLR questions, I can't be bothered responding to more idle speculation.
Oh please powerlink is harder to unplug than XLR. And they can be made super thin too! Rejects noise way better than any other connections. That is why it is the pro standard. Affordable and meters of cable can be run without much degradation.
How many pins are there in powerlink as compared to a standard XLR? Like three times as much! It is hard I know I have been there!
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Multiple boxes for their plasma tvs,was a godsend to the consumer.Mount screen onto wall,.connect one cable to hidden box ie beosystem2./3,then make all connections to box,it saves having loads of cables channeled in wall.What is so horrendous about that?
Regarding my otherbrand name system,I never asked you to look at it,(you were clearly stating you have a so called other brand system,were is the pictures to prove it) I showed proof end off.
I daisy chain my speakers for the rear,your point is?
Your correct for once,knowbody is forcing me to read a thread,but when nearly every thread I look at,you pop up posting off-topic nonsense its hard to get away.
You are like a dark cloud over our once happy forum.
JOGG ON YOU ASP.
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Jeff: I have an observation that I've seen over and over again as applicable in a large number of situations: When a large number of people you meet think you're an ass, you should consider looking in the mirror.
Ermm... Actually no... Only here haha... OMG I can't believe you think I am an ass... Just from my posts? That bad? Yeah maybe beoworld is not for me but I do buy B&O stuff.. Not a devoted fan but still...
And remember you are the one calling me an ass. So.... you know what the popular saying is...
butch1: Multiple boxes for their plasma tvs,was a godsend to the consumer.Mount screen onto wall,.connect one cable to hidden box ie beosystem2./3,then make all connections to box,it saves having loads of cables channeled in wall.What is so horrendous about that? Regarding my otherbrand name system,I never asked you to look at it,(you were clearly stating you have a so called other brand system,were is the pictures to prove it) I showed proof end off. I daisy chain my speakers for the rear,your point is? Your correct for once,knowbody is forcing me to read a thread,but when nearly every thread I look at,you pop up posting off-topic nonsense its hard to get away. You are like a dark cloud over our once happy forum. JOGG ON YOU ASP.
Oh no... You mentioned Linn on yourself and I said hey I have one too... So I thought hey we have something in common... Who knew you would go defensive.. And start insulting my Klimax 350A and say how much better the Klimax 350p powered by Klimax solos were than my Klimax 350As. Can't comment because they have yet to arrive or more like I have stalled on the delivery date since my place isn't ready yet. Hey you launched the attacks first mister... You were like the Linn Klimax DS with A9 made your friend favor the A9 over the Lab9 for his space etc... And I was like Oh no... I hope my Linn system isn't going to be bad... And yeah I bought the A9.... So I have no idea why so hostile.... Ever since.... You don't like to not feel lonely/special with the only linn around or something... Plus in another thread you kept pushing Linn to a guy who wanted a good video/audio streamer replacement to his Apple TV and I suggested the Oppo which suited him well and you insisted on the Linn.... I mean can Linn even stream video?
So I thought to be friendly since you are a Linn fan to ask you about the Kiko... And no response from your side. I must really rubbed off wrong on you... Hey I tried to be nice with you. We both have Linn and B&O so... hello let's push aside our differences.
And you insulted me because I am into fashion then called me a troll and everything else underneath the sky.
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Well you must be one of the only few...
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