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Nestley, Procter and Gamble are biggest food company on the planet
So what
They don't make the same job at all.
You are really stupid , if you don't understand this.
4 beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 6002, beolab 3500, beovision 7 55 mk2, 2 beovision 11 46 mk4, beotime, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beoplay A8, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...
bayerische: Who besides you think Apple is an AUDIO and VIDEO brand?!?! As in A/V? Come on! It's a media brand, I'll give you that, but not Audio / Video!!! They don't manufacture speakers/amps/receivers/actual TV's etc... Apple is as much AV as B&O are a computer manufacturer.
olvisab: YOU are strange because you spend you time to compare them. There is no comparison possible, THAT'S ALL. Again, it is a mess in your brain, A/V is A/V, computer is computer.
YOU are strange because you spend you time to compare them.
There is no comparison possible, THAT'S ALL.
Again, it is a mess in your brain, A/V is A/V, computer is computer.
I don't compare them. Show me where I compared them?
You seem to be doing the comparisons.
And you seem to be a TROLL imho.
Too long to list....
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Chris Townsend:Gents. Have a nice glass of wine whilst lunching with your mistress, and then see what great offers there are on the 7-55 at the moment in your local store. Enough already
Enough already
No offers.
you are blind too
functionality, design, build quality, prices, reliability ...
A lot of people on this forum are tired to read this.
You can think the contrary if it makes feel you better with all your Apple's friends.
But that's reality !
I like to read your remarks or criticism but it isn't manadatory to use Apple as an example.
I don't compare to Apple. You probably have me mixed up...
If it's a media library, then yes, it's comparable to Apple or any-other maker of such.
What is your big pain in the b***?
We're stupid and he can't even string a coherent sentence together
Oh the irony.
Yup.
About the future. One thing I'm sure Tue Mantoni has noticed is how different B&O is from running Triumph.
Triumph is perhaps the second best known motorcycle after Harley Davidson, and turning them around was probably much different than the attempt at turning B&O around.
B&O unfortunately don't have this marvelous world wide second position.
You are the most stupid Flappo
We just have to take a look to your avatars.Stupid, vulgar
Coherent sentence ?
When you will speak foreign languages as I do , you will probably able to give lessons to others.
But I forgot you are always too arrogant.
I wonder how long he'll last ? If he doesn't deliver.I don't envy his task
Face it , the only big design success he's over seen is the BV11 which is basically still a david lewis design , everything since has been utterly awful. That playmaker for example..
They desperately need a designer with focus and talent along the lines of Jony Ive - there must be loads of them pouring out of art colleges these days..mustn't there !?
The best they can come up with is a radio that looks like an old lunch box , an ipad stand that doesn't stand up and a speaker that resembles a bass drum on wooden stumps...
I'm not going to waste my time on a pathetic little troll like you.
As for my avatars - you lack the creativity and competence to even create one. I suggest you crawl back under your bridge and leave the discussions for posters with an opinion and more than one active braincell.
Well, it is a pity that you don't spend much time to answer me; it seems that your imagination is at its best when you criticize b&o or others.
see you later ...
Flappo: I wonder how long he'll last ? If he doesn't deliver.I don't envy his task Face it , the only big design success he's over seen is the BV11 which is basically still a david lewis design , everything since has been utterly awful. That playmaker for example.. They desperately need a designer with focus and talent along the lines of Jony Ive - there must be loads of them pouring out of art colleges these days..mustn't there !? The best they can come up with is a radio that looks like an old lunch box , an ipad stand that doesn't stand up and a speaker that resembles a bass drum on wooden stumps...
They are lacking a good road map, that's for sure.
When I bought and paid my BV10, (a month in advance before I took delivery as I was on a trip) I was happy, looking forward to getting a full-hd TV.
Same day as it was installed, I got utterly disappointed! No source data!!!
It fu*cked up my previous setup. I can not enjoy the SPDIF input on my BL5's as they won't listen to it if connected to the BV10. So no more surround sound for me.
Why dump this little thing? Who would have thought. B&O always did a good job back in the days to be 100% backward compatible.
A proper product roadmap would help this company a lot. The products output of late looks like a mixed salad. This can't be good. They've lost me as it stands now.
No cure for my situation of source data. Shouldn't this be possible to correct with software?
olvisab:Well, it is a pity that you don't spend much time to answer me; it seems that your imagination is at its best when you criticize b&o or others. see you later ... I began my collection 4 years ago with a beomaster 5500...now I can't stop it. beosound 9000 mk3 , beocenter 2 , beosystème 4500 , beolab 3 , beolab 7.4 , beolab 5000 , beolab 6000 , beovision 7.40 mk2 , beovision 5 , beovision av 9000
StUrrock: olvisab: Well, it is a pity that you don't spend much time to answer me; it seems that your imagination is at its best when you criticize b&o or others. see you later ... I began my collection 4 years ago with a beomaster 5500...now I can't stop it. beosound 9000 mk3 , beocenter 2 , beosystème 4500 , beolab 3 , beolab 7.4 , beolab 5000 , beolab 6000 , beovision 7.40 mk2 , beovision 5 , beovision av 9000 Very sorry I completely failed to follow your points in this thread.
olvisab: Well, it is a pity that you don't spend much time to answer me; it seems that your imagination is at its best when you criticize b&o or others. see you later ... I began my collection 4 years ago with a beomaster 5500...now I can't stop it. beosound 9000 mk3 , beocenter 2 , beosystème 4500 , beolab 3 , beolab 7.4 , beolab 5000 , beolab 6000 , beovision 7.40 mk2 , beovision 5 , beovision av 9000
I began my collection 4 years ago with a beomaster 5500...now I can't stop it.
beosound 9000 mk3 , beocenter 2 , beosystème 4500 , beolab 3 , beolab 7.4 , beolab 5000 , beolab 6000 , beovision 7.40 mk2 , beovision 5 , beovision av 9000
Very sorry I completely failed to follow your points in this thread.
If it's any consolation, you are not alone on that part.
IMHO B&O have lost focus on producing consistent high levels of quality.
The lack of backwards compatibility is concerning - in this day there should be no excuses - electronics is cheap, manufacturing is highly automated and has high levels of quality, etc etc
They need to get their uncompromising focus back.
Again I use the analogy of cars - most cars will get you from a to b, but the very good ones still sell well. Now why is that?
The whole "quirky euro" brand of B&O is under attack from decent cheaper products and wider knowledge of B&Os faults ( and greater scrutiny ) via the internet. The last thing they want their customers to do is be embarassed spending big dollars on stuff that can be performed almost as well by kit at 1/10th the cost.
Have a look
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2013/02/133_130924.html
Puncher: olvisab: Bayerische, Flappo, Elephant, Puncher, Apple's preachers. Is there an exorcist here ? I beg your pardon!!!!
olvisab: Bayerische, Flappo, Elephant, Puncher, Apple's preachers. Is there an exorcist here ?
Bayerische, Flappo, Elephant, Puncher, Apple's preachers.
Is there an exorcist here ?
I beg your pardon!!!!
Best comment in this whole thread
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
BeoBoy68: Have a look http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2013/02/133_130924.html
After having read the article and seeing the new CEO is from McKinsey, B&O is doomed. All these McKinsey guys know are: "short-term results and don't worry about the long term because in the long run we are all dead." Opening a bunch of stores selling cheap stuff, so much for being a high-end luxury brand.
Short term = selling cheap stuff for fast profit, Long term = brand is done for selling cheap stuff. But I am sure some nice bonus for fast short term profit.
BeoSystem 5500, BeoVision 10-46, BeoLab 8002Apple TVSamsung BD-D7500Wii
From a marketing perspective, it’s important to understand that almost 75 percent of our business is done with existing customers, so we really focus on maintaining a personal relationship with our clients.
???
I would beg to differ.
My dealer in Espoo gives me somewhat of a good service. I've emailed B&O directly a few times, and the response I've gotten was something of shushing away a beggar.
OK, so you'd think, perhaps I was complaining about a battery in an old Beocom 6000?
Nope.
I was complaining about my Beolab 5's not working with the syncro cable.
All I got was your BL5's are a too early model to support it.
-Hello!
There's an input for it in the speakers, the syncro cable is explained in both of my manuals that I got with the speakers.
Another example of a lazy obnoxious company. They put out a speaker on the market that wasn't ready (obviously) As some of it's announced features didn't work yet.
I told them they had done false marketing, and asked them to correct this on my speakers.
The email exchange stopped there.
So bno refused to sort out a problem their incompetence and lack of forward thinking created on a pair of reference speakers costing a small fortune and weighing a ton ?
that must be the continued friendly dialogue that tue mentioned in the article. There's another word for it , bulls&@£.
Customer service is paramount in the world of consumer electronics something stupid apple and its stupid customers take for granted. That's why it wins so many service awards. Seen bno win one recently ?
Flappo: So bno refused to sort out a problem their incompetence and lack of forward thinking created on a pair of reference speakers costing a small fortune and weighing a ton ? that must be the continued friendly dialogue that tue mentioned in the article. There's another word for it , bulls&@£. Customer service is paramount in the world of consumer electronics something stupid apple and its stupid customers take for granted. That's why it wins so many service awards. Seen bno win one recently ?
I would understand if my speaker (obviously out of warranty) would have developed a technical problem, but there's never been say a mk1 BL5 that would not have supported the Syncro and third party use of equipment. There's always been one official line from B&O, and that's one of YES! You can connect your BL5's to third part equipment.
Well, it's still possible for me, but I have to keep my Beosound 9000 connected as it controls the BL5's. So it's a work around.
IMHO, if B&O was brought to court over my problem, they would loose. This is a mayor feature of the speakers, they simply didn't bother to put in the early models.
If someone from B&O reads this thread, feel free to contact me, and sort out my problem. andreasATsurfnetDOTfi.
5 bucks on that they won't contact me though. Excellent customer service and all....
Try contacting them again and give them a direct link to your posts on here. Maybe that will get them awake.
I hope they make a Beoplay product to compete on the "Bose market" A Beosystem where you can use any TV/Screen/Projector (since they get obsolete so fast)- Built in Airplay, DNLA, Bluetooth to be controlled with BEO remotes as well as Apps for iOS and Android, - Built in Surround decoder of course. - Network connected for easy updates and also cloud and NAS access.- Compatible with Masterlink- STB controller to control all the periferals such as Playstations, Blu-ray players and Apple TV...
Pack it in a Jacob Jensen or David Lewis feel and look, and give it a reasonable price and I will be the first to buy it..
/Peter ( dreaming...)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Beovision 7-40 Mk VI, Beovision 3-32, Beovision AV9000, Beovision AV5, Beolab 8000, 6000, 5000, 3000, 2000, Beocenter 2300, 9000, Beocenter 2, DVD1, DVD2, Beogram 3300, LC2, Beolit 12, 3 x AppleTV
Peter: I hope they make Beoplay product to compete on the "Bose market" A Beosystem where you can use any TV/Screen/Projector (since they get obsolete so fast)- Built in Airplay, DNLA, Bluetooth to be controlled with BEO remotes as well as Apps for iOS and Android, - Built in Surround decoder of course. - Network connected for easy updates and also cloud and NAS access.- Compatible with Masterlink- STB controller to control all the periferals such as Playstations, Blu-ray players and Apple TV... Pack it in a Jacob Jensen or David Lewis feel and look, and give it a reasonable price and I will be the first to buy it.. /Peter ( dreaming...)
I hope they make Beoplay product to compete on the "Bose market" A Beosystem where you can use any TV/Screen/Projector (since they get obsolete so fast)- Built in Airplay, DNLA, Bluetooth to be controlled with BEO remotes as well as Apps for iOS and Android, - Built in Surround decoder of course. - Network connected for easy updates and also cloud and NAS access.- Compatible with Masterlink- STB controller to control all the periferals such as Playstations, Blu-ray players and Apple TV...
+2/ Peter!! That's also where I am looking for.
Muzies and Enjoy the Music
npalund:I hope they make Beoplay product to compete on the "Bose market" A Beosystem where you can use any TV/Screen/Projector (since they get obsolete so fast) - Built in Airplay, DNLA, Bluetooth to be controlled with BEO remotes as well as Apps for iOS and Android, - Built in Surround decoder of course. - Network connected for easy updates and also cloud and NAS access. - Compatible with Masterlink - STB controller to control all the periferals such as Playstations, Blu-ray players and Apple TV... Pack it in a Jacob Jensen or David Lewis feel and look, and give it a reasonable price and I will be the first to buy it.. /Peter ( dreaming...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beovision 3-32, Beovision AV9000, Beovision AV5, Beolab 8000, 6000, 5000, 3000, Beocenter 2300, 9000, DVD1, DVD2, Beogram 3300
Dom
2x BeoSystem 3, BeoSystem 5000, BeoSystem 6500, 2x BeoMaster 7000, 2 pair of BeoLab Penta mk2, AV 7000, Beolab 4000, BeoSound 4000, Playmaker, BeoLab 2500, S-45, S-45.2, RL-140, CX-50, C-75, 3x CX-100, 3x MCL2 link rooms, 3x Beolab 2000, M3, P2, Earset, A8 earphones, A3, 2x 4001 relay, H3, H3 ANC, H6, 2014 Audi S5 with B&O sound, and ambio
Is jacob jensen available ??
Flappo: Yes. He is 86 years old and his son Timothy work in the Jacob Jensen Studio
http://www.jacobjensen.com/index2.php#
Concerning Davis Lewis, the heritage is allways available.
http://www.davidlewisdesigners.com/
I can not understand why B&O delete to work with the Best Danish Designers ??!!
I think from a design point of view they still make great products. Beoplay line being a bit odd but modern ( I personally am not very impressed about the Beoplay TV's design, but just like BMW when they hired Chris Bangle, it was a bold decision to go somewhere different than before)
The choice of materials are still in most cases impressive, fx the Beovision 11 and the new speakers gives a feel of quality at least I haven't seen anywhere else. Absolute top class!
What really worries me though is the lack of software knowledge and usability. I think they really need to re-invent the feel of back in the 70s and 80s when I think they were market leaders in intuitive user interfaces. Fortunately for B&O, Samsung, Sony, Loewe struggles with making modern user interfaces. ( its like everybody is waiting for Apple to take the lead)
I am surprised how badly written the software is for the Beolit 12 for instance..
If they could make a Beocenter like I described earlier, with a software that makes it compatible and up to date with products of the 21st century where we use iTunes, Spotify, Youtube alongside with the physical media we still use…I think they have a winner.
Its not rocket science. Just invest in the software development, make it modular, and pack it in some sleek aluminum, and B&O will have a winner! :)
/Peter
Motorcycles don't need software... Just saying...
Electrified: Try contacting them again and give them a direct link to your posts on here. Maybe that will get them awake.
Might be worth a shot.
Anyone have a good email address?
How is this for customer service?
Klicked the customer service link on B&O homepage. = Page not found.
NO KIDDING!
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/fi-FI/error?bw_errorcode=404&bw_requestedUrl=http://www.bang-olufsen.com/customer-service
bayerische: How is this for customer service? Klicked the customer service link on B&O homepage. = Page not found. NO KIDDING!
LOL ! what a *** !