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Hey guys! I already have a Beo Sound 5 and a Beovision 7-40 in my study. I am planning to replace the two Beovision 10-46 in my lounge and my bedroom with Beovision 11-46 respectively. In my current setup, both audio and video travel to the Beovision 10s from my Beovision 7 and Beosound 5. However, my B&O retailer is telling me that the Beovision 11s do not have such capabilities. So, the picture and audio cannot be played on Beovision 11s. Is that true? If it is, then I'm wondering why B&O would come up with a product which cannot be used with the rest of its product lines?
gmittal: Hey guys! I already have a Beo Sound 5 and a Beovision 7-40 in my study. I am planning to replace the two Beovision 10-46 in my lounge and my bedroom with Beovision 11-46 respectively. In my current setup, both audio and video travel to the Beovision 10s from my Beovision 7 and Beosound 5.
Hey guys! I already have a Beo Sound 5 and a Beovision 7-40 in my study. I am planning to replace the two Beovision 10-46 in my lounge and my bedroom with Beovision 11-46 respectively. In my current setup, both audio and video travel to the Beovision 10s from my Beovision 7 and Beosound 5.
I wouldn't really replace a BV10-46 with a BV11-46 unless you really feel compelled to do so. Yes, there's a picture upgrade, but it's not worth the thousands of pounds to trade-in the previous TV. It's not a massive improvement. Also, once you have had the BV11-46 for a few weeks, no-one (no-one!) notices the difference between the previous and new TV. It's basically the same. Plus I miss the BV10-46 orange fret :)
There's no masterlink support in the BV11, no. You can't connect another TV to it and share the video content.
To set this right:
BV11 has Masterlink-support with the NL/ML-converter.
Your dealer is right - at the moment you can't (with the NL/ML..) have more than one BV11/V1 in a setup.
But that is soon to change - the update is planned for this spring.
Which functions are planned (e.g. if you will be able to pick up video from a MasterBV11 to the Link-tv's), is not known.
But you will be able to use sound in multi-room/source mode. (And to use the NL/ML.. as an ActiveLink as well).
A NL-comparible audiodevice to come?? Still wating!!
So don't hurry with your decision.
Greetings Millemissen
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Hey guys!!! Thanks for your comments. My dealer says that B&O will soon be coming up with an update which would enable BV11s to be used in a link setup for both audio and video. Do you think he's being too presumptuous coz he just wants to make a sale? Also, what would happen to my BV7 and my BS5? Would they become dinosaurs now that B&O has decided to go the abandon ML and go the NL way? Thanks in advance.
Isn't the NL going to be backwards compatible to ML?
Then your "old stuff" won't be obsolete.
Too long to list....
My BV11 is working on a stand-alone basis. I am still rewiring the old BV5 BC2 and linked TV's elsewhere in the apartment.
The BV11 is a superb TV but it still has software glitches that Struer are investigating, e.g. the radio hinge/ stand position in my case is set to leave the TV flat against the wall, but when first turning on as a radio the TV starts swinging towards the TV viewing position. It gets part way there, realises that it's in radio mode, and then swings back to the wall.
in the UK the smart functions remain deficient. There's no ITV player. When I rang my dealer I was told that this was because B&O had not yet agreed a licence with the broadcaster. A bit odd when it seems that I can use any brand of computer to link to the ITV player.
Graham
vikinger: The BV11 is a superb TV but it still has software glitches that Struer are investigating
The BV11 is a superb TV but it still has software glitches that Struer are investigating
The only thing I've noticed, which I've reported a few times to my dealer, is that I get a screen refresh style flash now and again, particularly when watching live football. It's much like an old CRT monitor changing resolution. That's the best description. You see a flash and a very brief 'reset' noise. Only does it when watching Sky, but the BC6-23 never flashes (with the same Sky box), so it's a BV11 issue. Only happens once though and it's very brief.
I have my BC6-23 connected to the same Sky box as the BV11, even though they are in different rooms. Better still, both the BV11 and BC6-23 can control the Sky box, separately, even though they aren't masterlink connected.
I still believe it's not really worth upgrading to the BV11-46 from a BV10-46, unless it's a really old MK1 BV10-46, like mine was. If I was a BV10-46 owner now, I'd probably wait for the next revision/4K/new panel.
Well, the thing is that I wanna move my two 10-46s to my weekend home and install the newer 11-46s in my home. But this whole inflexibility of audio and video not being able to move from one room to another is really bugging me and causing me to rethink this whole thing. :( I am just unable to understand why would B&O do something like that? I thought technology is supposed to move forward, not go back in time.
gmittal: I am just unable to understand why would B&O do something like that? I thought technology is supposed to move forward, not go back in time.
I am just unable to understand why would B&O do something like that? I thought technology is supposed to move forward, not go back in time.
To be fair to B&O, the whole video distribution thing just wasn't working. Have you ever tried to show a Blu-ray through masterlink? Remember masterlink is analogue technology and wasn't designed to push HD video across your rooms. I got around this by ingeniously connecting to TVs to the same Sky box and NAS drive. I can then push the content to more than one TV.
vikinger: in the UK the smart functions remain deficient. There's no ITV player. When I rang my dealer I was told that this was because B&O had not yet agreed a licence with the broadcaster. A bit odd when it seems that I can use any brand of computer to link to the ITV player. Graham
I had (endured) 4 hours or digital transmission tech talk during the week and 1 guy who was heading the whole project up did say the licence procurement is very slow.
moxxey:To be fair to B&O, the whole video distribution thing just wasn't working. Have you ever tried to show a Blu-ray through masterlink? Remember masterlink is analogue technology and wasn't designed to push HD video across your rooms. I got around this by ingeniously connecting to TVs to the same Sky box and NAS drive. I can then push the content to more than one TV.
@Raeuber "Member Millemissen also assumes that also video distribution will also be possible soon..........My dealer told me that video distribution will NOT be possible with netlink, because of HDCP restrictions. It is sad that there is no official information from B&O".
Hallo Raeuber,
I have written that it "could be possible" - but also that we don't know if the videodistribution will be realized.
The argument of the dealer is partly correct - it is a fact that many tv-channels are decoded due to copyright-agreements. Thus it will only be possible to distribute Free-TV.
If you want - so says B&O - to distribute HD-channels, Bluray, Caleidescope and so on, you can (and could) use the Matrix-Switch solution.
Since there are other ways of distributing video-content (from NAS/Mac/Pc to ATV, TViX, SmartTV-enabled Blurayplayers), for me the focus will be on controlling the NL-devices (will the audiodevice come???) with the Remote-app, and the ability to have a multiroom- and multisource-system - maybe only for audio as a start.
Let me also remind you/us, that we are moving towards having videocontent (as already for audio-content/e.g Spotify) online/in the Sky and thus accessable on all devices. Maybe we don't need "videodistribution" at all in a couple of years!?
Distributing video over coax in a ML-system is technology from the 20th century, and digital sources could never - as Moxxey noted - be distributed this way. And our TV's are a lot!!! better than before - demanding HD-content.
This - together with the auto-puc-search, autoupdating, the gorgeous audiofunctions, the better speakers and the picturequality of the BV11 (and the V1) - means that I would still recommend a change from BV10 to BV11 - from ML to NL
It is correct that there has bin and still are some software-issues with the videoengine in BV11/V1, but imagine what had happened if Bang & Olufse had waited to release the tv's untill "all software-problem were solved".
We wouldn't have "the new tv" today - and all Beoworlders would cry "shame on you B&O - how long must we wait?"
Just to add a new BV11 problem I will be revealing to my dealer on Monday.........
Spent some time this evening listening to the radio with the BV11 automatic picture mute in action. Decided to switch to television. On hitting the TV button, the radio station static picture came on very dim instead of the TV picture. The TV station sound came on. TV would not respond to any Beo4 commands except for turning off. Turned the TV off. Left it for 30 seconds and hit the TV button again. The same dim radio station page came back on with the TV station sound. Turned the TV off again and left it for 2 minutes. TV station then came back on normally.
No doubt this was an issue with the built-in TV Freeview tuner somehow locking-up, but it's a bit disappointing with a TV at this price level.
@Vikinger
That is not a specific BV1-issue.
I have seen that on a BV10 as well.
Seems to be a HD-tuner problem.
StUrroxk and Millemissen:
Two different approaches to the question of NL or ML.
Time will tell who is right