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Hi,
I'm in the final throes of recapping a BM8000 and was wondering of the range of passive speakers that B&O have produced, which one's in your opinion go well with the BM8000?
I would have thought it might come to a choice between MS150, RL140 or RL7000.
Anyone with thoughts on the subject....??
At the moment I have only 3 pairs of Beovox; S30, S45 and MC120.2 I'll try the MC120.2's when the BM8000 is going but keep my enthusiasm for the volume control turned down.....!!
The MS150 is the best - it is the one designed for the system. I have used M100s as well and they were also fine. I have also used CX100s which were surprisingly good!! The MC120s will be fine - it does have an overload circuit. Remember that most music will be played at a level where, even when loud, you will be using about 1 or 2 watts!
Peter
Peter:The MC120s will be fine
Not only will they be fine, for small to medium rooms they are arguably far more suitable than, say, the MS150s, where there could be acoustic problems particularly in the bass end . You could try the BM8000/MC120.2 combination out first before you think about the other alternatives you mention.
The Bm8000 'only' delivers 100 watts RMS into the 8ohm load of the MC120s, so there shouldn't be any problems with power.
Cleve
It all depends on what you prefer, music style, physical size and design.
The Beovox MS150 are extremely nice speakers, nice to listen to and nice to look at and about the bestfrom B&Os range for your Beomaster 8000.They'll be more than adequate for most purposes but they are power guzzlers and not particularly loud if youask an old mobile DJ like me.
I use 4 pcs of JAMO POWER 555 with my Beomaster 8000 in my livingroom.With their extremely high sensitivity (0,8W / 96db / 1m), the Beomaster handles them with the greatest ease.Large, heavy and industrial looking (especially if used without their black front panels) but lots and lots of power andvolume from the total of4x 12 inch woofers with huge magnets and voicecoils in a Center Bass Reflex setup,4x 2-inch midrange domes in cast horns and a whopping20x 1-inch dometweeters with controlled dispersion.With an amplifier that will output close to DC, the sub-deep frequencies are really sub-deep and with a power ratingof 350W (RMS - and they CAN take it!) per cabinet, the Beomaster is the weakest link - but you don't want toplay THAT loud at home.
They will play almost anything you throw at them with good quality and detail and if you are particularly fond ofpop and disco music, they should be seriously considered.Not too expensive either but get some that still have the original woofers (even if in need of refoaming as they will be if not already done).
http://www.jamo-power-cbr.com/index.php/jamo-power-500-series/4-jamo-power-500-technical-specifications
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/jamo_power_p555.html
- And they are danish too.
Martin
Hey peter. Have you ever pair it with beovox Penta or the bvox 4500??
also is this bm8000 still remain best amp of b&o compare to bm7000 and bm4500..?
Ti
RL Series does not take advantage of what this amp can do in my honest opinion, so skip that option entirely.
uncle7: Hey peter. Have you ever pair it with beovox Penta or the bvox 4500?? also is this bm8000 still remain best amp of b&o compare to bm7000 and bm4500..? Ti
The BM8000 is the most powerful of the integrated amplifiers that B&O made. It has a lot of features that would normally only be seen on a professional amplifier and was made regardless of cost - which explained why it was very expensive!! It was the pinnacle of B&O integrated amplifier design - after this they went down the active speaker route. The BM7000 and 4500 both started life as midrange units - the BM7000 descended from the 5000 and the 4500 from the 2000. Both are perfectly good but not in the same class as the 8000.
Sound quality can be described as effortless - it does lack some of the warmth typical of the B&O amplifiers that preceded it like the 4400 and 3000 but, in technical terms, it is clearly the better amplifier.
I have not used it with Beovox Pentas though one of our members has and swore by it. I think 4500s are not the best choice as these are better partnered by the amplifier designed for them as they need a non linear response to really sound their best.
Disadvantages - this is a huge device - until you own one, the size doesn't really come across. You cannot stack it and it weighs 21kg, largely due to the huge power supply. The speaker connections are on the sides and quite tricky to get at and the speaker selector switches are prone to oxidise. It uses the dreaded red capacitors which will need replacing if not already done and is immensely complex should anything go wrong. It also came from the era when the actual quality of the chassis was compromised so although the electronic design is fantastic, the plastics used are a bit cheap and the wood is simply veneer on a plastic base. I have had a couple of these though have let both go. I sometimes regret it but I like the space!! The Beocord 9000 and Beogram 8002 that match it are similarly signature pieces and perform superbly. The MS150s are ridiculously big but made without compromise. Highly recommended and will blow away any modern B&O system up to the BL5s - and will give them a good run for their money!
Peter: I have not used it with Beovox Pentas though one of our members has and swore by it. The Beocord 9000 and Beogram 8002 that match it are similarly signature pieces and perform superbly. Peter
My Father has great success with Jamo CBR 1303's and a Beomaster 8000 which has the same 12" bass unit as the Power series, is more of a rock speaker if you ask me. I still prefer MS150's for the 8000.
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Cleviebaby: Peter: I have not used it with Beovox Pentas though one of our members has and swore by it. The Beocord 9000 and Beogram 8002 that match it are similarly signature pieces and perform superbly. Peter I have Peter's old Beolab 8000 system and would wholeheartedly agree with his comments. I have also heard the BM8000 with the Beovox Pentas in the system Peter refers to, and very fine they sounded too. Interestingly, the owner of that combination has been recently expressing interest in a pair of MS 150s as an alternative to the Pentas! Cleve
I have not used it with Beovox Pentas though one of our members has and swore by it.
The Beocord 9000 and Beogram 8002 that match it are similarly signature pieces and perform superbly.
I have Peter's old Beolab 8000 system and would wholeheartedly agree with his comments. I have also heard the BM8000 with the Beovox Pentas in the system Peter refers to, and very fine they sounded too.
Interestingly, the owner of that combination has been recently expressing interest in a pair of MS 150s as an alternative to the Pentas!
Peter and Cleve are referring to my 8000 system and the Beovox Pentas. It's been a set up I have used with much success and pleasure for the past 6 years now, and though Cleve is correct to say that I have wavered and put some feelers out for some MS150s, I am still very happy with the Penta sound in combination with the BM 8000. It's also fair to say though that I couldn't find any MS150s in the UK anyway!
FWIW, I also used MC120.2s (that Cleve bought from me) and some BV 5000 panels with the 8000 system. I wasn't so keen on the MC120.2s with the 8000 amp, but I really liked the combination with the 5000 panels. I suspect though that this is because the 5000 panels are awesome speakers and underrated in terms of their sonic abilities.
I have compared Pentalab speakers to MS150s driven by an 8000 and the MS150s simply have much better bass detail. Like BL5s, they do not sound bass heavy but if anything slightly light because the bass is not a single thumping noise. It is only when you leave the room and go elsewhere that you really understand the amount of bass being produced! I still prefer my M100s, partly for their look and also because they seem to have a slightly more mellow top end. But one is really getting down to individual preferences and I certainly would not argue with someone preferring the MS150s.
The BM6000, which looks vaguely similar, is much more like the 4400 and is not as well specified.
Hmm that's interesting. I actually do find the BL5s to be bass heavy (NOT boomy), and almost don't see how they COULDN'T be with that massive 15 inch woofer under each one. I actually have the Bass control on the Beomaster turned down to -1 to slightly compensate for the bass. But this is possibly because I come from BeoLab 1s and what I consider my reference standard, the Wilkins 802 Diamond which, the BWs particularly, have a delightful and crispy midrange and sparkly highs. Very "RIGHT THERE" presentation like being at a live performance. I would imagine them to be a great match to a BM8000 as a matter of fact, with their power hungry requirements. The BL5 is quite laid back. Someone in a BL1 review once compared the sonic signature of the BL4000 with the BL5 (not comparing the speakers directly by any means) which I would say is accurate. At one point I made the comment to Peter in the what B&O would you keep thread that for sure I'd get rid of everything else I owned just to have a pair of BL5 if I HAD to. Now after having them I don't think I would sacrifice everything else.
Raw clean power is one of the beautiful things about the BM8000 actually, that it can drive just about anything you can throw it at it with that dual-mono high power amp design. I'd agree that within the B&O range, the MS150 would be my choice almost without question. Would love to hear a pair one day.
Thanks for the tips peter!
I just received a mint mint bm4500 and pair it with my beolab penta3, course i remove the bottom amp, it sound not that bad at all.
I does some hw on the bm800 that pair with ms150, but i'm just afraid that the bass from the ms150 are lack with sound pressure due to the db rate aren't that high.
for moment i've though bout getting a whole set of b&o speakers from audi car speakers, but it doesn't look that good at all.
So i've thinking bout the beovox 4500 pair with the bm8000.
the penta are quite are fine speakers, but the bass are bit low on sound pressure.
my bro bm800 it'll be here tomorrow from arizona, can't wait to give it a try!
wish i could find a inbox or mint mint bm8000, i would glass casing up so no no touchinng and scratching! lol
thanks again for the tips Peter!
Peter sound like you really into this bm8000, myself I really falling in love with this piece of art work.
I've always respect all b&o product , spent 1800 on my laptop i throw in bed everytime after finish using it , but with any of my b&o things I always handling it with care. Like my $100 form2 headphones only touching it with my finger but not my finger nails.
these b&o company really satisfied me! completely satisfied!
From all of their work of combining arts, quality and technologies together.
peter do you know anyone that have a mint mintly bm8000 that available for sale??
i just got me a beomaster 8000
wanna connect the mp3 into it but dont know which socket for the input , cuz it doesnt show any aux ..
can you please help
Congratulations on your acquisition!
That will be TP1, which has phono sockets.
Jacques
Beovox Pentas or Beovox 5000 panel speakers are excellent looking and sounding alternatives to what you suggest. I have used both and they are excellent matches - the 5000s surprisingly so.
Hi Uncle,
I'm also a new "owner" of a BM8000 (I will send a post to present me).
I use a CD/TAPE adaptor (type 5006) that I plug into TP2 to connect my MP3 . Then, I plug a RCA/jack 3.5 cable to the adaptor and then, I plug the jack into my Iphone (or airport express).
I am not sure it is the best way to hear MP3 but it works and I need TP1 for my Beocord.
Another solution (that I want to test) could be to find a 5pin DIN/jack 3.5 cable, plug it into TP2 and then plug the jack to your MP3 (I will try this configuration as soon as I will receive this cable).
BR,
Thanks for the tips
when I decided to go for bm8000. I only wanna connect mp3 for it so I really wanna try out all of those sockets to compare which are the best input.
i read a little on the bm8000 user guide. The book said that for external filter,equalizer that required to remove those 2 clamps on the left side near the left speakers output.
I will give it a try and find out bout it.
Tape 1 or 2 will work.
Has RCA or DIN Connections as I see in the Manual.
Ralf
Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)
In storage: Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000 (1960s).
will it be any different if I remove those 2 clamps on the left side for external filter or equalizer??
If I remove those 2 clamps and connect the bm8000 with the beosystem 3 for extra filter and surround sound of 7.1 , , , will the beosystem 3 help to improve the sound quality ??
i really the bm8000,,, and I really wanna keep it original without any change or custom work to improve the sound quality, , so I were having a thought about connect the bm800 with external filter&equalizer from that 7.1 surround sound beosystem 3 device.
I'm currently listening to my iPod connected via a simple minijack to stereo L-R RCA cable plugged into the TP2 jacks and it sounds fantastic.
I can vote for Beovox M150 and even though I have S80.2 and S120 I would not use them for anything with the true power of a BM8000 which Dillen have measured to about 192 watts or so if I recall correctly.
this bm800 are truly piece of art, I love b&o product from combining art & technologies together
i plug my bs6 mp3 or with my bs2000 century,, it sounded amazing!
But if there's a way for me to improve the sound quality of my bm8000 to the next level or from connect the beosystem3 into the bm8000, then the beosystem3 will set as a pre-amplifier, or as anexternal equalizer digital sound processing to improve the sound of the bm8000..
Not like I'm try to connect my bm800 with the mcintosh pre-amp or something.
So I get to improve the sound and still remain the system as original. From b&o. Without any mix and match with different audio brands.. So why not??
uncle7: this bm800 are truly piece of art, I love b&o product from combining art & technologies together i plug my bs6 mp3 or with my bs2000 century,, it sounded amazing! But if there's a way for me to improve the sound quality of my bm8000 to the next level or from connect the beosystem3 into the bm8000, then the beosystem3 will set as a pre-amplifier, or as anexternal equalizer digital sound processing to improve the sound of the bm8000.. Not like I'm try to connect my bm800 with the mcintosh pre-amp or something. So I get to improve the sound and still remain the system as original. From b&o. Without any mix and match with different audio brands.. So why not??
This may sound crazy, but speaking of mixing and matching B&O, I decided to play around a bit and see how the combination of the BS9000 as a pre-amp/CD player and the BM8000 connected to my XPL-140s would sound. All I can say is WOW. As silly as that combination is, it sounds terrific!
bs9000 mix with bm8000? course that'll add more juice to the beomaster . plug the turntable or the beocord into the bm8000 will reduce the flavor of it. due to thr sound quality doesnt met our requirement of this modern day with lazer cd player stream music mp3.
i tried my bs6 with the bm8000, the sound came out crystal clear due to b&o with high quality mp3, but not enough power from the bs6 mp3.
when i mix the bs6 + bs century + bm800 = terrific sound quality & power!
but for myself i'm thinking that fron the combination above aren't best yet, due to the beosound doesnt come with that much for the sound filter or equalizer.
ms150 sound that good??
have you ever remove one of beolab of this day and find out the quality of this today speaker drivers and IC crossover??
totally understand that the bm8000 are from the 80's but if we still wanna remain the bm8000 and pair with the 80's speakers with 80's crossover, then our bm8000 reach the sound quality of this modern day music.
I've remove my beolab speaker amp, and soldered It with the beolab crossover, sound amazed me.
paring beovox penta with the bm8000, I've tried and still leave it that way now.
still seeking for the ms150.
but if you gonna use the penta, don't leave the penta stand for the floor, try to set it on a table side by side, I promise you penta will increase another 30- 40% of sound quality, due to vertical make all the tweeters & woofer staying narrow not wide range.
Not so sure about some of your assertions. The BS9000 will produce a line level signal as will the BS3000 so both should give a similar output. The BS6 will be using the headphone output and I can understand it being a little lower as well as not that great. Not sure adding a BS3 into the mix is gointo do much - the 8000 is a stereo amplifier - unless you have a number, how are you going to get 7.1 sound out of it. All you will achieve is more electronics in the pathway which will diminish the sound quality to my way of thinking.
Lying the Pentas down cannot be practical and I don't see that it will improve the sound quality. The secret with Pentas is to sit down so you are on a level with the tweeters which are very directional. The midrange and woofers are much less and are not really going to improve with horizontal placement. The major issue with Pentas is the small size of the woofers and the lack of ability to move a lot of air. Having said this, they still do a pretty good job and are one of my favourites!
set the penta down and find out the different peter.
about the bs3, i will try either of this ways.
bs3 to bm8000 to speakers
bm8000 to bs3 to speakers
from what you just said, if plug the bs3 into the bm8000 by remove those 2 clams on the left side of the bm8000 for external equalizer or filter will not make that much in different even though the bs3 came with digital sound processing ??.
thought the ms150 are 8ohm are the bm8000 are only 100watt for 8ohm??
which mean the ms150 are only 100watt with the bm8000??
hi my name is van i just start with beoworld today
having a question about the beovox ms150.2 arent that at 8ohm?? its possible that beomaster 8000 could fully loading it?? since the beomaster only go for 100watt 8ohms, and the beovox ms150.2 are 8ohm?? im really freshman with these b&o brand
vam