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Dear members,
I finally got two way working with Software 1.3, Avant, Converter 1611 and Beosystem 7000. However, it's not yet 100% doing what I would like it to do. When I adjust the volume on a Beolink 1000, the Beolink 7000 doesn't show me or update the volume at all and when I use the Beolink 7000 to adjust volume, volume is displayed incorrectly. Everything else (clock, source, RDS) seems to be fine. Any ideas how to fix this?
Rgds,
Kai
Thanks. The Remote works two way. No doubt about that. Clock, Source, Track Number, Status are all displayed and adapted correctly. I just don't get the two way information for the volume. I was first using the 1611 converter solely connected by the AUX cable. This gave me the correct volume level on my Beolink 7000 but failed to connect to the Avant and the Pentas when turning on any component of the Beosystem 7000. Therefore, I also connected a powerlink cable. Now it works... But uh - now that I am writing this, I have a strong feeling what the reason might be. Can it be that I need a fully wired powerlink cable for connecting the Converter to the Beomaster? This would be a logical explanation that comes to my mind... Otherwise the info of the sound which is routed through the Avant and the Pentas probably doesn't reach the Beomaster with Software 1.3? This of course doesn't happen when using only the AUX cable since in this case, the Beolink 7000 info doesn't reach Pentas and Avant in the first place... Just an idea... Man, if I had just imagined what effort it would be to get that setup working the way I want it to work - I probably would never have started.
The Avant is connected to the 1611 converter via Matserlink. Pentas are connected to the Avant. The converter Box is connected to the Beomaster via AUX and Powerlink. I'm pretty sure now that the latter is the cause. I've not used the fully wired MK2 cable for this powerlink connection. Therefore, probably information regarding volume doesn't reach the Beomaster, which means that the Beolink 7000 can't display volume. Same problem as when you're linking Pentas to the Avant and use Powerlink MK3 instead of MK2. I was just not thinking that this might be a problem in my context, too. I will have to try it, but am pretty sure that this is the reason. Strange that the issue has never come up in the forum before. Probably because there are not so many using the Beosystem 7000 two way with an Avant...
Beofan53: Edit: when speakers are connected to the Avant , your option setting for the Avant is 2 and your BM is 0.
Edit: when speakers are connected to the Avant , your option setting for the Avant is 2 and your BM is 0.
But if the BM is in Option 0 it will not transmit IR info hence the BL7000 will not work in two-way mode.
I think, everything is working correctly. SW 1.3 of your BM7000 lets send BM information even if it is set to A.OPT 0. BM7000 should be connected to BL converter via an audio aux link cable and a Powerlink cable - a fully wired cable is not necessary - as far as I know, BL converter only needs Datalink information via PIN 4....(?) BL converter must be connected to ML socket of your Avant. Avant is a 1way product. Set it to V.OPT2.
Now information of your BM7000 - source, track.. will be sent to your BL7000/5000. In your setup volume level control is executed by the Avant, not by the BM7000 and will therefor not be displayed on your BL7000.
If you want full two way communication you`ll need 2 way products for audio- AND videomaster.
Stefan
stefan: SW 1.3 of your BM7000 lets send BM information even if it is set to A.OPT 0.
SW 1.3 of your BM7000 lets send BM information even if it is set to A.OPT 0.
I remember the previous thread now! Is there an equivalent software mod for BC9500?
Interesting question!
Never heard of such a sw for BC9500.
I still have my old BC9500 with BL7000 in a link room, but as an audio only system in A.OPT 1.
Hi Stefan,
you described everything correctly. That's the way I have set things up. I'm not convinced whether your conclusion is correct though. Reason: Due to not knowing any better, I initially didn't connect the Converter to the Beomaster with Powerlink and solely used the AUX cable instead. Result: Perfect two way information on both my Beolink 7000s in the same room (I've heard this can cause trouble but didn't in my case) including the correct display of volume. Only problem: I couldn't control the volume with the Beolink 7000 and switch between different sources. Controlling each source once activated with the Beolink 1000 was still possible, however. With the Beolink 1000 everything worked fine and as I've mentioned the two-way information on the Beolink 7000s was flawless. Apparently it can work, so why shouldn't it be possible when also using the Powerlink cable for connection and controlling the setup with the Beolink 7000? What do you make of this?
Or is there a logical explanation for why it works with solely the AUX cable and doesn't work when adding the Powerlink cable? I have a feeling that this is quite a complicated setup. Don't make me count how often I have meanwhile already disassembled and reassembled the various components...
Maybe it can work, but if it does, I don`t really know how it works and why it does....
Is it possible, that your BL7000(s) received their information directly from the BL1000.
BTW I`d recommend to move one BL7000 to another room - just for testing...
"What do you make of this?" - Sorry, don`t know what you mean....?
Thanks Stefan. So, reading the comments again, the problem apparently is that sound processing is done by the Surround Module in the Avant. Information regarding volume can be displayed by speaker Displays directly connected to the Avant, but can't be routed through the converter to the Beomaster? I find it highly improbable that the Beolink 1000 sends the information to the 7000. I've already tried separating the 7000s but it doesn't change anything.
Just for clarification: it's obvious that I can't get two-way information from the Avant. I'm just talking about listening to e.g. CDs. However, if I'm not already completely retarded I could swear that in that case both Beolink 7000s displayed volume correctly when only connected by the AUX cable to the converter 1611. However, controlling volume with the Beolink 7000 was then not possible.
If I connected the Pentas to the Beomaster rather than to the Avant, would then the correct volume be displayed on the Beolink 7000s? Would the Penta displays still work? Downside would be that surround sound is not possible with such a configuration... I still don't quite understand why in my current configuration two is enabled for everything except for the sound...
- the problem apparently is that sound processing is done by the Surround Module in the Avant. -
No. All IR commands sent by BL7000 will be received by your Avant and audio commands will be sent via ML and converter to your BM7000.
BM7000 (in A.OPT 0) sends audio IR commands back to your BL7000(s). It`s not the surround module.
- However, if I'm not already completely retarded I could swear that in that case both Beolink 7000s displayed volume correctly when only connected by the AUX cable to the converter 1611. However, controlling volume with the Beolink 7000 was then not possible.-
So, try it again. Disconnect the PL cable and reset the whole system by disconnecting all products from the mains and reconnect them after a few minutes. Maybe it will work...(?) I have no experience with BM7000 SW 1.3 . But as far as I know your system (converter) needs the Datalink information from the BM.
- If I connected the Pentas to the Beomaster rather than to the Avant, would then the correct volume be displayed on the Beolink 7000s? -
Yes. There will be source, track, volume data from audio sources displayed on the Pentas and BL7000.
- Would the Penta displays still work? -
Yes.
- Downside would be that surround sound is not possible with such a configuration -
There is always another option....
Next step I`d try is :
Connect the Pentas to your BM. Keep the ML/PL converter - ML connection to your Avant. Set your BM7000 to A.OPT 1. Set your Avant to V.OPT 1.
Set your BL7000 to AUDIO - 2 way, VIDEO - 1 way - should be already set to....(?). Surround speakers should be connected to rear PL outs of your Avant. You can add the Pentas to video sound using the AV button. - For example DVD - to start the Avant in DVD mode - AV - DVD to start the BM7000 and Pentas opening the AUX port. Maybe a workaround ...(?).
Hi,
I'm with Stefan on this one; I don't think it's supposed to work. When you adjust the volume with the BL7000 both the Avant and the Beomaster adjust their volume, right? And when you do it with the BL1000, only the Avant does it?
You could of course match the start-volume of the Avant and the Beomaster, so that if you only use the BL7000 they will stay in sync and then the BL7000 will show the correct volume.
As regards to it working without the Powerlink, I would ask you to try again... Are you sure that it wasn't just that they were in sync?
And yes, if you connect the speakers to the Beomaster, everything will work.
Magnus
Hi Magnus,
I'll try again. How do I recognize whether it's just the Avant or both, the Avant and the Beomaster reacting? I've already tried your tip with synchronization. Problem is that Avant and Beolink 7000 info adjust differently. Therefore, as soon as you change volume data will differ. Nobody here, who got something like this to work? Why is it then that the Beolink 7000 receives all data except for the volume? I still don't seem to understand it...
Double post - slow internet
When the Beomaster adjust it's volume, it displays the volume level on it's display, so look for that.
The reason is that all the data displayed on the BL7000 comes directly from the Beomaster. CD track, source etc. all comes from the Beomaster and is then transferred to the TV so that it can display it on the speakers. No data is actually transferred from the TV to the Beomaster – the Beomaster just receives commands from the TV and send sound and source data back. And in your setup it is the TV that does the volume changing. So the Beomaster doesn't know what volume the TV is set on, it only knows what volume level it self is set on, and it can only send things it knows to the BL7000.... I hope that made sense.
I'm sorry that I didn't mention this when you asked about S/W 1.3 earlier. I don't use a two-way remote very often, so I just forgot to mention. But I have the same "problem" with my BL5000.
ok, that makes sense. Then, it's working correctly and there's no point in trying to get something to work that can't work in the first place. What's irritating me more right now is that I can't remember my Beomaster 7000 showing volume levels when adjusting. Does it show the volume levels only when playing the radio or does it also do so when playing other sources like CD? Hope there's nothing wrong with the display...
As I don't have a BL7000, I don't know if it shows the volume when using that, but my Beomaster 7000 shows the volume in the display when I change it using my BL5000 on CD. Maybe there are different versions of the Beomaster? I don't know.
Hey Magnus,
in my case, the Beomaster 7000 doesn't show me information concerning the volume. May this be for the same reason that the Beolink 7000 is not showing me the volume information? Or are there different versions of the Beomaster?
And on a different note: most of the guys here recommend TV as Master and Beomaster as Slave. In my case the question is whether it wouldn't be better to connect the Pentas to the Beomaster? Peter once mentioned that it sounds better to him when Pentas are directly connected. What's better for listening to music? Two way stereo or four way stereo/dolby surround? What's dolby surround good for? Just for watching movies? I have a pretty tricky living room for positioning surround speakers since one needs to be very close to the main speaker whereas on the other side of the living room distance between main speaker and surround would be pretty big. Since I'm not watching a lot of TV anyways, I'm thinking about connecting Pentas directly to the Beomaster. It's a pity since my Dolby Surround module then is unnecessary, but I will need to make a compromise. Any thoughts in that?
Hi Kai,
I'm sorry, but I have no idea why your Beomaster behaves differently than mine...
Regard the different note: For music it is always best to use as many speakers as the music was created for. In other words: Two way stereo all the way! Four way stereo, or double stereo, is only suitable for parties or other situations when the music is only in the background. Dolby Surround is primary for movies, so if you're not a big movie watcher I would definitively connect the speakers directly to the Beomaster. Then the BL7000 should work perfectly! And the Avant is a very capable sound system on it's own, so you would still get better sound from your TV than most people. And as long as the systems are connected together you can still get the sound from the TV on the Pentas, for the odd concert movie etc.
thanks once again. I would have probably not needed software 1.3 then... However, this sounds like the way to go for me. And sound quality is supposed to be better that way. Do you still need Powerlink between Beomaster and Converter 1611? Or is AUX sufficient?
One more thing. If connecting the Pentas to the Beomaster and watching TV, the Pentas will probably not show volume level then, will they? Are there any other downsides of having the Pentas connected to the Beomaster? If not, why do most people recommend linking Pentas to the TV, having TV in Opt 2 and Master in Opt 0 then? Sorry for asking but I am confused...
Thanks very much for all of your help. Highly appreciated.
If you connect the Pentas to the Beomaster, they will not show the volume when watching TV, unless you transfer the sound to the Beomaster (press AV -> TV). I'm not entirely sure if the Powerlink cable to the converter is needed but I can't think of a reason why it should be. But it doesn't hurt.
The reason most people, like me, have the speakers connected to the TV is Dolby Surround. I use the TV as a center speaker and the Pentas as fronts and it really adds to the viewing experience. And I have bought a pair of Beolab 4000s to use as rear speakers as well.And by doing it this way you get a really nice integrated audio-video system, and everything just works very good together (unless you need the volume on the remote ). You don't need to think about the speakers at all, they turn on when needed, regardless of source. And I guess most people on here are so used to thinking this way that we just assume everyone wants it this way without asking...
But if you primary listens to music and are happy with the Avant sound alone for TV and not bothered with surround, it is perfectly fine to connect the speakers to the stereo!
Thanks Magnus. That clears it up. Seems like you have pretty much the same setup as me. I'm not sure what I will do. Maybe I'll keep it as is and link speakers to the Beomaster, or I'll add some 4000s as surrounds. Those would fit my environment pretty well I suppose... Have you done the corssover tuning for the Pentas? I have Penta MK IIIs and am a little concerned that sooner or later they will need an overhaul. I've just had two Beolink 7000 overhauled and you can definitely tell by the brightness of the displays and the reaction speed of the two way function.
Regds,