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Just got done readhering the lower BC9500 glass panel. What a disaster.
I think my BIGGEST mistake was listening to some guy here on an old thread who said he'd had trouble mounting the frame and THEN putting it on the Beocenter so he laid out the frames ON the beocenter and laid the glass on it. This was a complete mess and in the process of trying to do it that way I got superglue EVERYWHERE. I finally gave up and mounted the middle and right side frames (with some of my glue already dry at this point) first, then slid into the far left side frame which was still attached to the Beocenter. This is the way it should have been done in the first place. In fact, I probably should have put the unit in service pos. and removed the little remaining piece of frame, too, to make it easier to remove the old adhesive in that one. Reading that guy's "suggestion" is probably the catalyst that ruined half the project as otherwise I would have been more diligent about removing the frames completely and working with them outside the Beocenter. And by the way the process of removing the old adhesive to an extent I was comfortable with, took me a good 3 or 4 hours between the glass and the plastic pieces.
I finally get it all put back together (glue all over the TOP of the glass panel too by now, and even a couple of spots on the tape deck lid) and fortunately, I found a good substance to safely remove ALL of the glue residue and I'm feeling pretty good. Go to plug it in... NOTHING. No response to the touch panel at all. I remembered my fingerprint full of superglue got on one of the graphite contacts but I didn't think much of it. So now of course I was for sure I ruined the contact area. Dejected, I just wanted to stick the thing in a corner and not even think about it, and went to sleep.
Woke up a little while ago and plugged it in just to see if anything had changed and sure enough, it WORKS perfectly now. In fact, it works (knock on wood) BETTER than it did before with a true "tap" of the finger instead of an actual "push" when the panel was a little loose. I was worried too about the leveling of the glass but that wasn't an issue at all. One tip I took from the older threads too was painting the beveled edge with black Sharpie to ensure that you don't see the overflow of the glue on the bottom. This proved to be a great tip.
Peter really got me wanting one of these with his "favorite B&O" thread, even though I had remembered seeing it as a kid alongside the BeoLink 7000 all those years ago. I really like it, but I must say the maintenance requirements of this unit are probably the most stringent of all the semi-vintage B&O products that I can think of... Glass panels to loosen (x2! I'm sure the top panel is sure to come along in the next few months), motors and belts to go bad for the metal doors, motors/servos/pickups for the tape and CD transports, and potential cap issues at some point in the future. Lots to look after. I may keep it, or I may in the end get a Beomaster 8000 as my "vintage" system and sell the 9500 to someone who can look after it and appreciate it more. We will see. What a rollercoaster of a night last night.
Playdrv4me:and I'm feeling pretty good
Hope you were using a well ventilated room. ;-))
Playdrv4me: I think my BIGGEST mistake was listening to some guy here on an old thread
I think my BIGGEST mistake was listening to some guy here on an old thread
Name and shame - it wasn't this 'guy'!
But I am a fan of the superglue method - the GEL is much easier to work with.
Can I ask you where you found that advice ?
Martin
The gel was definitely easy to work with, THAT I have no complaints about. I used the Loctite off the shelf stuff. The other advantage to the glue vs. tape is that you don't need to concern yourself with leveling the panel or finding the just right mm tape. The glue gets the glass at a good level.
As for the thread I already closed the page I was looking at. I looked through several pages looking for diagrams of how it all went together and gleamed several "suggestions" as I went through. The guy who mentioned having trouble getting the frames to slide in properly with the glass on them struck me because I thought "I bet this is exactly what will happen to me with my luck". But I don't remember which of the several 9500/9000 glass threads it was on anymore.
The main point of my post is of course to advise anyone in the future NOT TO DO THAT. Bad bad bad idea.
I found it. I see now that one key difference is that he is using tape strips instead of the glue, but I still would advise against doing this. If you drop it in at the wrong angle or anything goes wrong, you might end up breaking it if the tape is real strong and then you try to lift up. The frames should always be attached to the glass first!
Another thing I wanted to add is that if you are careful and diligent there is no reason that you should be scratching the paint off the glass. The old adhesive is brittle and mucky, so if you use your thumbs and fingernails you can eventually work all of the adhesive tape off the back of the glass. Then you can use the citrus goo gone someone mentioned there (NOT THE ONE WITH ALCOHOL) or even dishwashing soap to work off the sticky goo that remains. You can probably use the goo gone to loosen it ahead of time, too, but there is no need to use hard or sharp objects. Just patience and your fingers. I got no scratches on the glass doing this carefully.
I'm probably going to end up needing a new panel. After all this, I noticed last night a single solitary key isn't working... volume down. Live and learn I guess.
http://archivedarchivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/37232/309243.aspx#309243
I don't see the problem with removing one screw and sliding the panel to the right to remove.
You can then stick the frames to the glass by whatever method turns you on. Personally I prefer the glue method as I get perfectly acceptable results in quick time.
Reassembly is the reverse.
Nothing could be more simple.
Regards Graham
joeyboygolf: I don't see the problem with removing one screw and sliding the panel to the right to remove. You can then stick the frames to the glass by whatever method turns you on. Personally I prefer the glue method as I get perfectly acceptable results in quick time. Reassembly is the reverse. Nothing could be more simple.
I'm not sure what the point of your post is, Graham. No one is disagreeing with any of that. I hadn't done it before and so as I was reading and learning the process I saw the post indicating that that particular user thought it was a better idea to lay the frames down on the BC and THEN lay the glass on top of them. This is what really doesn't work well, even if you put tape to hold the frames in position. Knowing that I had a limited time to work with the glue, I decided not to even TRY to place the frames on first if there was even a chance that they would get stuck in position and then not slide in properly. Hindsight being 20/20 yes this would have been simple if I hadn't followed that advice and just attached the frames to begin with.
In any case, I took it apart just now and cleaned the contact area, added some graphite to enhance the contact with a pencil I had laying around and now my volume < works fine. If I end up keeping it, this will be far quicker next time for the top glass.
I do it the same way. All plastic holders attached to the glass panels before mounting onto the Beocenter.Never had any problems.And I use glue too. Also tried the gel and double-sided tape, both worked fine though I tend to prefer theglue for long time reliability.
The old thread is in the archived forum sections. I would have added a note referring to this thread butas the archive is read-only, I can't.