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Could any of the linear tracking B&O turntables be instructed with the remote or touch controls to locate and play a specific track?
More specifically - could you select the turntable, then press 04, and PLAY and the laser would search over and find the fourth track and start to play there?
If this functionality was present - In which models?
Thanks
Ken
B&O never incorporated that technology, though it is technically possible to store your record collection on a modified Beogram 8000/8002.
The 8000-series is capable of complete remote control via Datalink to suitable Beomaster receivers - the later beomasters can even control arm movement with the remote.
Add a memory bank to the turntable which stores manually entered data (where the songs start), so record 45, song three would be typed 4503 (just like jukeboxes I guess.) The spindle that progresses the arm has a very accurate counter that monitors where the arm is on the record; this could be useful for such a system.
Vinyl records, cassettes, open reel, valve amplifiers and film photography.
No, none of the Beogram turntables are capable to search and find a specific track.
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I have just received a B&O 9500-
is there a remote and linear tracking turntable I can attach that will at least let me raise/lower and move the tonearm back and forth?
Thanks for time and replies.
The matching Beogram 9500, along with a Beolink 1000 or Beo4 remote.
MediaBobNY: The matching Beogram 9500, along with a Beolink 1000 or Beo4 remote.
As well as Beogram 5005, 5500, 6500, 8000, 8002, 8500, 9000, 3000 and 3300
Søren Hammer: As well as Beogram 5005, 5500, 6500, 8000, 8002, 8500, 9000, 3000 and 3300
If it's a 6500 don't plug it into the phono input - use Aux instead.
The only turntable I ever saw that would automatically detect gaps between tracks and let you select by track number was an ADC one back in the 70's. It used a light beam and photo detector and had a row of buttons on the front, something like 1-10, you could push, as well as a skip forward and back control. I've only ever seen one of these in the flesh and that was over 30 years ago.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff: The only turntable I ever saw that would automatically detect gaps between tracks and let you select by track number was an ADC one back in the 70's. It used a light beam and photo detector and had a row of buttons on the front, something like 1-10, you could push, as well as a skip forward and back control. I've only ever seen one of these in the flesh and that was over 30 years ago.
Some of Sharp and Mitsubishi players did that too.
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There were actually quite a few:
- ADC Accutrac 4000 (the one you mentioned)
- ADC Accutrac +6 (6 record autochange version of above)
- Akai AP-L95
- Technics SL-15, SL-6 and SL-Q6
- Aiwa LP-3000
- Optonica RP7100 and 9100
- JVC L-F71
And quite a few cheap Japanese decks found on the top of 1980s midi systems!
As mentioned, it is surprising that B&O never offered this facility. The second arm on the linear trackers beside the main arm would have been perfect for carrying the sensors and I'm sure the electronic technology was well within their abilities. Heck, the ADC decks were actually designed and made by BSR and if they could do it, anyone can!
AdamS:As mentioned, it is surprising that B&O never offered this facility. The second arm on the linear trackers beside the main arm would have been perfect for carrying the sensors and I'm sure the electronic technology was well within their abilities.
I think it was a timing issue. Track detection would've been very difficult to implement with the discrete component circuitry that was used in the 4000/4002 series, and by the time the microprocessor controlled models came out, the detector arm didn't detect anything any more - it was just ornamental.
Or, perhaps they just didn't think it was worthwhile to add a feature that wouldn't be 100% reliable anyway.
--mika
Fascinating, I never knew there were that many tables that did this.
tournedos: AdamS:As mentioned, it is surprising that B&O never offered this facility. The second arm on the linear trackers beside the main arm would have been perfect for carrying the sensors and I'm sure the electronic technology was well within their abilities. I think it was a timing issue. Track detection would've been very difficult to implement with the discrete component circuitry that was used in the 4000/4002 series, and by the time the microprocessor controlled models came out, the detector arm didn't detect anything any more - it was just ornamental. Or, perhaps they just didn't think it was worthwhile to add a feature that wouldn't be 100% reliable anyway.
Olly
Step1: tournedos: AdamS:As mentioned, it is surprising that B&O never offered this facility. The second arm on the linear trackers beside the main arm would have been perfect for carrying the sensors and I'm sure the electronic technology was well within their abilities. I think it was a timing issue. Track detection would've been very difficult to implement with the discrete component circuitry that was used in the 4000/4002 series, and by the time the microprocessor controlled models came out, the detector arm didn't detect anything any more - it was just ornamental. Or, perhaps they just didn't think it was worthwhile to add a feature that wouldn't be 100% reliable anyway. I think B&O MUST have dabbled with the technology Mika, the accutrac was released in 75 / 76? This used two custom micros and hardly any discretes! I have one myself, I love it! All the more because I am a bit of a Columbo fan hehe...I suspect the costs though, along with the fact that track detection is hit and miss with some records, although it works very very well with quite a few from my collection!I love the feature, and might consider implementing it but the hard part is going to be the optics I think!
The Bye-Bye Sky High IQ Murder Case! That episode has always been one of my favorites because of that turntable.
I too, have wondered why B&O didn't implement that technology, but assumed it was maybe because the feature didn't seem to work consistently. Gap spacing between songs on records can be rather inconsistent.
Those where some cool turntables indeed.
Too long to list....
BeoTom: The Bye-Bye Sky High IQ Murder Case! That episode has always been one of my favorites because of that turntable. I too, have wondered why B&O didn't implement that technology, but assumed it was maybe because the feature didn't seem to work consistently. Gap spacing between songs on records can be rather inconsistent.
And quite simply, the best episode in its own right!
Step1: I think B&O MUST have dabbled with the technology Mika, the accutrac was released in 75 / 76? This used two custom micros and hardly any discretes! I have one myself, I love it! All the more because I am a bit of a Columbo fan hehe...I suspect the costs though, along with the fact that track detection is hit and miss with some records, although it works very very well with quite a few from my collection!
I think B&O MUST have dabbled with the technology Mika, the accutrac was released in 75 / 76? This used two custom micros and hardly any discretes! I have one myself, I love it! All the more because I am a bit of a Columbo fan hehe...I suspect the costs though, along with the fact that track detection is hit and miss with some records, although it works very very well with quite a few from my collection!
I also own an Accutrac 4000 but I also have an Aiwa LP-3000. The Aiwa is bigger, heavier, much better built and sounds absolutely superb - far better than the Accutrac, although it probably helps that the sensor is separately mounted on the Aiwa's headshell so any cartridge can be fitted.
Ironically, though, the Aiwa's track selection is rubbish - the ADC is much better!
AdamS: Ironically, though, the Aiwa's track selection is rubbish - the ADC is much better!
It really is amazing, when you consider how utterly simplistic the Accutrac design is! I actually think it is a rather beautiful piece of engineering, when you consider that it just simply works!
Step1: And quite simply, the best episode in its own right!
It just aired on Sunday night on the MeTV cable network. Talk about product placement..
BeoTom: I too, have wondered why B&O didn't implement that technology, but assumed it was maybe because the feature didn't seem to work consistently. Gap spacing between songs on records can be rather inconsistent.
As Tournedos wrote - on the late models the 'detector arm' was only ornamental. Simply a matter of design...They could have build in a sensor to detect tracks if they wanted to - but then the turntables would have been too expensive. (And -as mentioned earlier - the track search function wasn't quite reliable).When they developed the last generation of turntables, they were very keen on keeping the costs at a minimum (if you have ever looked inside one, you'll know what I mean). Lots of nylon gear wheels and plastic parts with small tabs that can break off (and often do over the years) . Despite that, they did manage to make some quite good turntables - and it's amazing that so many of them are still running. (Many of them saved by dedicated Beoworlders and other passionate people who won't let those beauties die).
I am currently recording all the Columbo episodes waiting for this one (the misses is going mad as there is no room on the box now lol)! I want to re-create the scene with my kids, but if I remember I don't think the operation of the deck would actually work as the episode suggests! :-( Now is that not false advertising? :-p
MediaBobNY: Step1: And quite simply, the best episode in its own right! It just aired on Sunday night on the MeTV cable network. Talk about product placement..