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Finding the vinyl Beogram players that you want for a resonable price can be sometimes a hazzle.
Fornually I live in a capital which means they show up once in a while, but the selection on internet ads is vastly more.
If buying a beogram on internet and have it sent it by postal is of course a risk.
But what kind of advice you give to the seller regarding packing ?
I am speculating wildy...
1. remove the pickup and place in a padded small pox2. taping the platter so it wont fall off?3. tightning tranport screws if seller can find them4. supporting arm with some carbon paper and tape Comments and advices appreciated.
My re-capped M75 are my precious diamonds.
Here the MMC2 was left on the arm as it has no needle, transport screws was secured, the platter was left in, but secured with the packing material.
Better is to pack the platter separately under the deck.
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
OMG, I love that seller.But, I doubt this is to be expected.I doubt there arent many sellers that put in that effort.
Can all B&O platters me removed by just lifting them up ?
I Never buy Beogram if it isn't allready in need of fixing. Some sellers do take care of packing, but there are so many of them than do not have Any understanding about physics or packing, or they just dont care, no matter what you tell to them.(this concerns unknown sellers mainly)
Minimum is to place support on top of platter to keep everything on place, note if platter is off, still have to put support because underplatter. Second is to support arm, this is tricky, I have ones arm taped down to chassis, goodbye needle, seller did not understand what I ment by support.
So, better personally collect, or send clear pictures to seller how you like to have it packed, and hope the best.
blah-blah and photographs as needed
Well above shoved imgaes of packing would take half a day and the time to find allthat material,and cut it would not to reasonable to ask for.Internet business with begrams being sent all over, back and forward between people that want to make money, or just temporarily own cool stuff , seems to be a quite on going world.Beograms are always on sale in Swedish adds, when you look in Danish adds, there are tons of beograms for sale being offered to ship.concering all this it would be good to develop some general guide lines..dont you think?There is a risk we will have a big portion of survived begrams on planet Tellus being destroyed by frieght
Not just Beograms. Any turntable to be shipped should have the platter removed and packed separately. The cartridge and stylus should also be removed and packed in a separate, protective box. All of the new turntables I purchased (years ago) came that way from the manufacturer. The rule of thumb I use in packing vintage audio (especially turntables) is you must assume the shipper will have the box upside down and/or on its side at some point during the journey. You can also be sure the box will be dropped from one conveyor belt to another during the sorting. So anything that can move must be secured. If the packer takes those things into consideration, the turntable should arrive safely. I have had several turntables arrive with broken pieces inside because the packer didn't remove the platter or secure the tonearm. The surprise inside when I opened the box was not pleasant to say the least. Whenever I purchase a turntable off Ebay now, I send a message to the seller and request that the proper steps are made in packing it. I figure that having that communication on record will cover any problems if the turntable arrives poorly packed. So far that has worked.
sonavor: Not just Beograms. Any turntable to be shipped should have the platter removed and packed separately. The cartridge and stylus should also be removed and packed in a separate, protective box. All of the new turntables I purchased (years ago) came that way from the manufacturer. The rule of thumb I use in packing vintage audio (especially turntables) is you must assume the shipper will have the box upside down and/or on its side at some point during the journey. You can also be sure the box will be dropped from one conveyor belt to another during the sorting. So anything that can move must be secured. If the packer takes those things into consideration, the turntable should arrive safely. I have had several turntables arrive with broken pieces inside because the packer didn't remove the platter or secure the tonearm. The surprise inside when I opened the box was not pleasant to say the least. Whenever I purchase a turntable off Ebay now, I send a message to the seller and request that the proper steps are made in packing it. I figure that having that communication on record will cover any problems if the turntable arrives poorly packed. So far that has worked.
I have had only one seller of four actually pay any attention to my requests. However, so far I haven't had anything damaged yet in transit. I've been lucky.
When I've sent my BG4002 up to Benny Amina for service, he has me not even send the cover, cartridge, or platter.
Rich:I have had only one seller of four actually pay any attention to my requests. However, so far I haven't had anything damaged yet in transit. I've been lucky.
I bought my BG6000 from the UK from a zero feedback seller (not complaining there, I was a zero feedback buyer back then) and he took all my advice to the power of two. The package included plywood layers between the parts and I must've spent half an hour just getting everything out!
My BG6500 came from Germany, and although the seller had removed the platter and cartridge, the rest of the packaging was badly lacking and he had tightened the platter adjustment screws instead of the transport screws. No damage though. I haven't had a Beogram shipped since.
--mika
Yes, there are good ones too. I have also recieved BC9000 in plywoodbox.
Rich: I have had only one seller of four actually pay any attention to my requests.
I have had only one seller of four actually pay any attention to my requests.
Well.....FailureThe turntable arrived in really poor shape today. The seller left the platter on the chassis just as I requested him not to do. Of course it came loose during shipping. He now wants me to file a shipping damage claim with the shipping company. I would expect the shipping company to look at the item and say it wasn't packed properly. Anyway, I now have to deal with this issue instead of enjoying a new turntable. I will probably continue buying turntables but it is always a chance whether it will arrive in proper condition.
My worst experience though, was my first attempt to get a Beomaster 4400. I bought one that was in really nice shape and the price was great. The seller was a nice gentleman but had no clue how to send a package. He had owned the BM 4400 for many years. When it came time to ship it to me he just put a couple sheets of bubble wrap on the tops and bottom, then put the Beomaster in a box. The receiver arrived in pieces. In fact, the main board was cracked in half !!! It was an awful sight and I couldn't believe my eyes. How could someone in their right mind ship that and expect it to arrive safely. I was given a full refund but it was very disappointing to know I almost had a really good BM4400 unit. Eventually I found another one and I sent a message to the seller about packing it extra well. Sometimes they will oblige, sometimes they won't.
I had exactly the same today! Received a BG 9000 which was in good shape before shipping and completely destroyed when it arrived due to the platter came loose. Plastic lid broken, tone arm bent, platter scratched, cartridge damaged etc. Badly packed but seller is blaiming the transporter. Pity.
//Bo.A long list...
If we should start trying to come up with general advices, that maybe we can use as standard ?Have the platter not removed with good support between platter and lid ?
Or
remove platter ?
Christian Christensen: If we should start trying to come up with general advices, that maybe we can use as standard ?Have the platter not removed with good support between platter and lid ? Or remove platter ?
I would say, platter removed, AND good support between platter and lid
you mean good support between the underlaying parts under platter - and lid- after platter is removed ?
I would list the following as a general rule -- Remove the platter and wrap it separately- Lock down the chassis. Most turntables have a suspension system for the chassis. B&O does and provides transport locking screws for that purpose. The key is to use them.- Secure the tone arm. Whether radial or linear, place some foam material around the arm and tape the foam to the chassis so it won't move.- Remove the cartridge and pack it in its own protective box. This should be obvious but some people still try to skip this step.- Check for any other parts of the turntable that can move or open. i.e. the lid. Wrap them or tape them so they can't move.- Finally, the shipping box should be double boxed or at least have protective foam at all of the corners and the top & bottom.If you can lift the secured turntable and turn it on its side or upside down without worry, then you have it packed well.
Christian Christensen: you mean good support between the underlaying parts under platter - and lid- after platter is removed ?
Ah, yes.
sonavor: - Remove the cartridge and pack it in its own protective box. This should be obvious but some people still try to skip this step.
- Remove the cartridge and pack it in its own protective box. This should be obvious but some people still try to skip this step.
Generally a good idea, but also risky. Personally I would try to get people lower needle cover and support arm.
In any case, needle cover should be lowered.
you mean risk for loosing one channel ?
No, I mean, all sellers do not know how to remove it, or it might be sticky, it's glued nozzles plastic part might get loose leaving cantilever unprotected, and similar threats. Also it just might contact to chassis during removal.