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For those of you who haven't tried them yet, Linn records are giving away a 24 bit master recording every day from the 1st of December until Christmas Day.
As an introduction, there's a choral piece from Handel's Messiah available for free download from now until the 1st.
See HERE
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Thanks apprecite this, will download !
My re-capped M75 are my precious diamonds.
Hi Räuber,
BeoSound 5 can handle 96 KHz-24 bit files pretty much "as is" (WMA, FLAC, but not ALAC - Apple Lossless). If the files proposed for free download on this site are at 192 KHz, you will therefore need to "downgrade" them to 96 KHz using software like XLD on the Mac (it's free). If the files proposed are in the Apple Lossless format (I haven't checked), then just convert them to FLAC. using the same software.
If you don't have a BeoSound 5, you can still enjoy this music via other means, but you will have to downgrade it further, to anything up to 48 KHz (maximum playable frequency rate by an Apple iPhone/iPad/Apple TV).
I hope this helps!
VANTAGE
Current: Beovision Eclipse 65" v1 - Beolab 50 - Beolab 28 - 2 x BS2 (GVA) - 1 x BS1 (GVA) - Beoremote Halo - H9i
Past:
Beovision MX4000 - Beovision 3-32 - Beovision 7-55
Beosound 9000 - Beosound 5 / Beomaster 5
Beolab 6000 - Beolab 8000 - Beolab 5 - Beolab 3 - Beolab 17
Hi Raeuber,
1: The BS5 should e able to play them - if it is the FLAC version.
2: Exporting to iDevice streaming to ATV won't help you - FLAC doesn't work in this case.
All sound via AirPlay to ATV is reencoded in 16/44.1 ALAC.
3: You could import to the 'FLAC Player'-app on an iDevice (if you have enough space on it), and AirPlay to ATV/Playmaker.
But then again in 16/44.1 - (ATV supports up to 48khz playback)
4: Android ? How would you AirPlay? Would be 16/44.1 anyway! - I don't think that the DLNA/Playmaker supports 24/88.1 FLAC. The second ediition-Playmaker isn't even supporting FLAC.
But you could use a PC/Mac with a good USB-DAC to an analog audio-port in your BL-system.
Using a software like JRiver (PC or MAC) / Foobar (PC) does the trick - or iTunes with Audirvana (or similar) (on Mac), which gives you the possibility of autoswitching the sample rate when outputting different sample rates (in addition to playing FLAC in iTunes).
N.B. There is a lot to read, learn and experiment about these things!
For such files I use my Squeezebox Touch (with the Logitech Media Server running on a NAS) connected to the Line-in of the Playmaker.
The internal DAC of the Touch isn't bad at all - supports up to 24/96. And it supports 'gapless playback'!
There are several other ways of playing highres files on our B&O setup - but they would all involve external players/DAC's.
Another possibility (just thought of that) is playback via the OPPO BluRay Player (93/103).
Greetings Millemissen
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There is a tv - and there is a BV
VANTAGE:BeoSound 5 can handle 96 KHz-24 bit files pretty much "as is" (WMA, FLAC, but not ALAC - Apple Lossless). If the files proposed for free download on this site are at 192 KHz, you will therefore need to "downgrade" them to 96 KHz using software like XLD on the Mac (it's free)
I think that the BS5 can handle 192kHz, it's the Encore that goes "only" to 96KHz. (tested on my encore)
Qobuz is coming to european countries early december, you will be able to test this service (really better than Linn), where you can download infinitely the songs you have paid, on the format and frequency you like (if you buy a song in 192kHz, it's possible to download it in 96kHz directly, or even in lossy aac/mp3...)
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Millemissen:All sound via AirPlay to ATV is recoded in 16/44.1 ALAAC.
Wrong, all sound is converted to 16/48 ALAC, which makes the Apple TV sound poorly compared to the CD source, even if the ATV is connected to a BV via HDMI (full digital)...
Hi Mbee,
I know Qobuz pretty well, I even think it's safe to say that I'm a pretty good customer ;-)
As for BS5/BM5 playing 192 KHz, I am afraid I have never been able to do so on my system (details in my signature). I cannot go above 96 KHz. In effect, whether you use a BS5 Encore or a BS5/BM5 combo, the maximum achievable frequency rate is the same: 96 KHz. I'd love to be proven wrong though!
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@mbee
I beg you: where did you get the '14' from?
The ATV supports 16/44.1 (ALAC) as this is the native AirPlay bitrate (and upsamples to 48 when outputting).
And it supports 16/48 when playing back (audio from) video.
VANTAGE: As for BS5/BM5 playing 192 KHz, I am afraid I have never been able to do so on my system (details in my signature). I cannot go above 96 KHz. In effect, whether you use a BS5 Encore or a BS5/BM5 combo, the maximum achievable frequency rate is the same: 96 KHz. I'd love to be proven wrong though! VANTAGE
The Linn downloads mentioned/asked in the op above are (highest bitrate) 24 bit/88.1khz - so whether the BS5 can handle 192 or 96 doesn't matter in this case.
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Thanks a lot, downloaded and played.
Alain
Millemissen: beg you: where did you get the '14' from?
The "14" is called a typo... I wanted to write 16/48... Corrected !
VANTAGE:As for BS5/BM5 playing 192 KHz, I am afraid I have never been able to do so on my system (details in my signature)
I was sure that the BS5 Could play those files (as it's a complete computer, it should be easy for it to play it, at least by converting it live to 96kHz...)
Anyway, I never heard any difference between 96 and 192 (and even between 44,1 and 192!) , I think that's above any ear and any speaker possibilities... But I can easily hear the difference between 16 and 24 bit on good recordings (not all).
Traverso: Thanks a lot, downloaded and played. Alain
downloaded - which ones (sample-/bitrate), and played - with what?
MM
"BeoSound 5 can play FLAC formats up to 24 bit / 192 KHz but formats above 44.1 kHz will be downsampled to 44.1 kHz."
From the spec sheet
symmes: "BeoSound 5 can play FLAC formats up to 24 bit / 192 KHz but formats above 44.1 kHz will be downsampled to 44.1 kHz." From the spec sheet
Not being one to complain, but -
An aside (in the wrong thred)!! - There always seems to be an ongoing issue with B&O kit whereby there is never a definitive list of bit depths, sample rates and formats their kit will support and play. In the past arguments have raged about the BL5's, the BS5 (and Encore) not to mention the BS3, even to the extent that several people have had separate, different answers from B&O themselves!
I mention it as an observation, it's certainly an area in which B&O could (should) smarten up in the future.
Puncher: symmes: "BeoSound 5 can play FLAC formats up to 24 bit / 192 KHz but formats above 44.1 kHz will be downsampled to 44.1 kHz." From the spec sheet Not being one to complain, but - An aside (in the wrong thred)!! - There always seems to be an ongoing issue with B&O kit whereby there is never a definitive list of bit depths, sample rates and formats their kit will support and play. In the past arguments have raged about the BL5's, the BS5 (and Encore) not to mention the BS3, even to the extent that several people have had separate, different answers from B&O themselves! I mention it as an observation, it's certainly an area in which B&O could (should) smarten up in the future.
Well, if you're emoticon and complaint were in reference to my response, here is another regarding the BS5 Encore:
FLAC: 16-96 kHz sampling rate and 16, 24 [bits/sample/channel] of the uncompressed source, from the Spec Sheet. That tells me that, for FLAC files, the Encore will play back a 96 kHz 24 bit file that the BS5 main product will downsample.
The Studio Master track for today was 24 bit/88.1 kHz and, far more important to quality, Linn states it was recorded at the bitrate offered. Not upsampled.
symmes: Well, if you're emoticon and complaint were in reference to my response, here is another regarding the BS5 Encore: FLAC: 16-96 kHz sampling rate and 16, 24 [bits/sample/channel] of the uncompressed source, from the Spec Sheet. That tells me that, for FLAC files, the Encore will play back a 96 kHz 24 bit file that the BS5 main product will downsample. The Studio Master track for today was 24 bit/88.1 kHz
The Studio Master track for today was 24 bit/88.1 kHz
Sorry - wasn't complaining about you, it was that you reminded me that there are always these spec related questions that seem to hang around for ages without ever getting definitive answers! Your actual details are most welcome!!
When you say "Spec sheet" - is this something online for all to see or is it "dealer" information?
@ Puncher, I definitely agree that the information is hard to find in one place, and it would be beneficial to have it. A key distinction of Bang & Olufsen products versus BeoPlay might include their high definition audio capabilities (if any) for those who care. The have been hard to find in one place and I have pack-ratted information as I have found it, I guess. I also seem to remember the Playmaker I would decode FLAC at 24 bit/192 kHz. But that train left the station with Mark II.
symmes: The Studio Master track for today was 24 bit/88.1 kHz and, far more important to quality, Linn states it was recorded at the bitrate offered. Not upsampled.
.........and assuming of course that the microphones used for the recording were capable of capturing the additional higher frequencies!!
In recording..very seldom. actually, as there are spo few mirophones on the market that fit purpose in combination of have respoince above 20000Hz.
Most reason for the 88,2/96 KHz would be the higher filtering.I highly debated subject.
Hi,
Well, I once bought the same album, from the same website, in two different resolutions (96 KHz and 192 KHz) for testing purposes. The 96 KHz played on my BS5/BM5 without any problem. When I tried the 192 KHz version, there was no sound at all.
So spec sheet or not, experience tells me otherwise!
To VANTAGE. I seem to remember that exact thing, that 192 would not play at all, but that was a while back. There can also be other issues with someone's track. That's where it gets nutty to me.
@ symmes: I fully agree, each person I ask gives me a different version. Basically, the only thing I can comment on is what I try at home myself!
Still I would find it interesting to see the spec sheet.
My BM5/BS5 plays FLAC up to 192kHz 24bit for sure (but in the past I also updated the HDAudio drives of the Via Epia motherboard; note the specs of this board says it can handle 192kHz, 24bit).
My BS5e handles FLAC files up to 96kHz 24bit (as has been confirmed by Geoff Martin in the past).
To downgrade from HD to 44.1kHz would ask for resampling while streaming, this will be harder/ more difficult than to install/extend the PCM codec up to 192kHz 24bit (if the system is capable to handle these formats, which it is!)
regards
@ Carolpa: Sorry for asking, but am I correct in my understanding that you have "tuned" your BS5/BM5 combo for it to be able to play 24 bit-192 KHz files? If yes, how exactly did you do that? I would love to be able to play such files as well, if nothing else to compare them to the quality I get with their 96 KHz "counterparts".
Thanks a lot for your answer.
I thought the BS5 used B&O's own "soundcard" to play music - if so I'm not sure what updating the drivers for the motherboard's onboard sound device would achieve.
@Puncher
When they started with the Beomedia 1 it was not possible to play WMA lossless . After updating the codecs I could play WMA lossless on the Beomedia 1. This was my reason to upgrade codecs in the BS5 to the latest versions (but I'm not sure anymore if this format didn't play before the update)
maybe your rigth, but in the end the 192kHz 24bit files are playable.
Carolpa: @Puncher When they started with the Beomedia 1 it was not possible to play WMA lossless . After updating the codecs I could play WMA lossless on the Beomedia 1. This was my reason to upgrade codecs in the BS5 to the latest versions (but I'm not sure anymore if this format didn't play before the update) maybe your rigth, but in the end the 192kHz 24bit files are playable. regards
I don't suppose it could do any harm!
Puncher: Carolpa: @Puncher When they started with the Beomedia 1 it was not possible to play WMA lossless . After updating the codecs I could play WMA lossless on the Beomedia 1. This was my reason to upgrade codecs in the BS5 to the latest versions (but I'm not sure anymore if this format didn't play before the update) maybe your rigth, but in the end the 192kHz 24bit files are playable. regards I don't suppose it could do any harm!
Lateron after several BS5 sw updates, I discovered I could also play Apple Lossless files. First I thought it was the sw update later I refound the codec!
VANTAGE: @ Carolpa: Sorry for asking, but am I correct in my understanding that you have "tuned" your BS5/BM5 combo for it to be able to play 24 bit-192 KHz files? If yes, how exactly did you do that? I would love to be able to play such files as well, if nothing else to compare them to the quality I get with their 96 KHz "counterparts". Thanks a lot for your answer.
I installed the HDAudio drivers from the Via site, file:
"xpesp2_vinyladeck_v615_v10.zip"
I presume you know how to access the Service Menu? Get this file (or even a newer) and install it!
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Puncher: For those of you who haven't tried them yet, Linn records are giving away a 24 bit master recording every day from the 1st of December until Christmas Day. As an introduction, there's a choral piece from Handel's Messiah available for free download from now until the 1st. See HERE
Back to the beginning ... the introduction (or "taster" as they called it) is, I believe, the same track they offered last Christmas:
"01 - Chorus And the Glory of the Lord from Messiah Dublin Version 1742"
I hope they do provide different tracks from December 1st !
BeoNut since '75
elephant:Back to the beginning ... the introduction (or "taster" as they called it) is, I believe, the same track they offered last Christmas: "01 - Chorus And the Glory of the Lord from Messiah Dublin Version 1742" I hope they do provide different tracks from December 1st ! My new avatar reads "anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant" - except B&O (of course)
elephant: elephant: Back to the beginning ... the introduction (or "taster" as they called it) is, I believe, the same track they offered last Christmas: "01 - Chorus And the Glory of the Lord from Messiah Dublin Version 1742" I hope they do provide different tracks from December 1st ! My new avatar reads "anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant" - except B&O (of course) We are up to day 3 of the downloads - I have had no time to listen to them ! Come the weekend I shall have 5 or 6 tasty eclectic morsels to taste !
elephant: Back to the beginning ... the introduction (or "taster" as they called it) is, I believe, the same track they offered last Christmas: "01 - Chorus And the Glory of the Lord from Messiah Dublin Version 1742" I hope they do provide different tracks from December 1st ! My new avatar reads "anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant" - except B&O (of course)
My new avatar reads "anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant" - except B&O (of course)
We are up to day 3 of the downloads - I have had no time to listen to them ! Come the weekend I shall have 5 or 6 tasty eclectic morsels to taste !
Which I did, and enjoyed all of them - but some more than the others:
I'm wondering what possible purpose there can be in releasing a HD version of Oxygene is? It's old tech synthesizer, not much chance of alleged extra HF overtones is there? Plus a pretty old analog master.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Severian:I'm wondering what possible purpose there can be in releasing a HD version of Oxygene is? It's old tech synthesizer, not much chance of alleged extra HF overtones is there? Plus a pretty old analog master. Jeff Beosound 9000, Beolab 8000s, Beogram 3000 w/MMC2, CX50s, P30s, Beovox 3000s, Beocord 3300, AV7000, Beolab 2000's,Beolink Passive & IR Eye, Beo5 and Beo4
That would be a negative Ghostrider...