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I was speaking to my dealer today about their view of the BeoPlay V1.
Their view was that it would be like trying to integrate a non-B&O TV into an established environment.
That even the use of the AV-in port connected to a B&O Active box would be cumbersome, for example (assuming this even works) to play a CD would mean at least three Beo4 commands:
Clearly a disaster - but perhaps a Beo6 would come to the rescue ?
So here is my REAL question or request ..... how would you play with your V1 in an existing integrated BeoLink environment ?
Or would you simple start the painful migration to the world of our BeoFuture ?
Here are some of my ideas
elephant: Set up the V1 with an ATV2/3 which is cheaper than a B&O Active! Run a BeoPort with LinkPlayer (or Windows equivalent) for your iTunes. Have iTunes set to simultaneously send audio to the PC's speaker for MasterLink broadcast via the BeoPort, and also send to the ATV2/3. CONs include: (a) the lack of a control of the audio source via the V1 interface/Beo4 ... have to use an iRemote of one sort or another (b) the ATV2/3 has "pull" access to your iTunes anyway, so why have this convoluted push approach simply to get the same sound in multiple rooms ("like who cares anyway dude") PROs include: perhaps using LinkPlayer's "vintage" B&O interface to gain access to your B&O system?
Set up the V1 with an ATV2/3 which is cheaper than a B&O Active!
Run a BeoPort with LinkPlayer (or Windows equivalent) for your iTunes. Have iTunes set to simultaneously send audio to the PC's speaker for MasterLink broadcast via the BeoPort, and also send to the ATV2/3.
CONs include:
(a) the lack of a control of the audio source via the V1 interface/Beo4 ... have to use an iRemote of one sort or another
(b) the ATV2/3 has "pull" access to your iTunes anyway, so why have this convoluted push approach simply to get the same sound in multiple rooms ("like who cares anyway dude")
PROs include:
perhaps using LinkPlayer's "vintage" B&O interface to gain access to your B&O system?
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Well,
I assume your dealer prefers to sell a BEO not a BEOPlay type of TV. ;-) Anyway, since I have not seen it real life I am not going to judge, I ll wait and see.
Lars
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B&O has been very clear from the start that B&O PLAY products will not be Beolink compatible. They are not targeting the same public as B&O customers (us).
These PLAY products, like the Beolit 12, Beosound 8 wil all be standalone products. If you want to integrate they are not for you. But 99.9% of the population buy TV that do not have Beolink. Many people already have a non B&O hifi and do not want to invest in a Beosound.
That said... now that CDs and DVDs are disappearing, sharing video across rooms becomes less interesting. It should be noted that this TV is compatible with UPNP servers... So here is an idea...
One can setup a central UPNP server with music and video files. Then in rooms where video and audio is needed, you place a BV1, In rooms where only audio is needed you place a Beosound 5 Encore.
Et voila!
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Lars: Well, I assume your dealer prefers to sell a BEO not a BEOPlay type of TV. ;-)
I assume your dealer prefers to sell a BEO not a BEOPlay type of TV. ;-)
Well Lars, that thought did cross my mind as well ......... none the less, it is an interesting problem
PhilLondon:One can setup a central UPNP server with music and video files. Then in rooms where video and audio is needed, you place a BV1, In rooms where only audio is needed you place a Beosound 5 Encore.
oh Philippe !
I am disappointed ... I led with my chin and expected you to punch back with detailed instructions on how to reconfigure my LinkPlayer set-up
More seriously I do agree with what you say, however much as I love the tactile design of the BS5/BS5E I would suggest that using an Airport Express and even an iPad per room would allow more rooms to be covered ...
This is not so much about my investment (or others) in MasterLink cables and boxes (1 have one PC Active, 1 BeoPort, 3 Beolink Wireless, 1 ML junction box) as about preserving the investments in 4 sets of speakers (that can be attached to Airport Expresses)
However for Susie (aka Nelliephant, SWMBO, the FS) I need to have a CD load & go solution ... and the MacMini's drive does not cut it for her so the BS4 is hear (typo half-intended) to stay
The only function that I am not sure how to solve is video distribution ... clearly not YouTube, iTunes, Vimeo, etc since the ATV2/3 provides that, equally our video library is easily distributed to the ATV2/3 via PLEX
I tried distributing the free-to-air live via my EyeTV and Airplay to the ATV2 ... but there was SIGNIFICANT stuttering with digital artefacts as well
So I am back to my original plan, which was B&O link TVs .... unless someone can think of something smarter/faster than EyeTV
elephant:So I am back to my original plan, which was B&O link TVs .... unless someone can think of something smarter/faster than EyeTV
I suppose you could say that I have a stand alone setup already. 3 big ass TV's in 3 different rooms (Sony). Ed, I suppose it depends on what content you're wanting to distribute.
If it's FTA why don't you just watch that as its happening? Or are you talking about things you've recorded via eyeTV?
My setup is that I have a WB MyBookLive which is connected to my TimeCapsule. As the TIme Capsule is not upnp but the WD is, I have all of my content stored on this and can access it in any room.
Something faster / smarter might actually be the T-Box. I have only had success with it and it's been a great buy. Last night I was accessing FTA and my recordings in the bedroom (it's in the bedroom), but when i wanted to watch my dvd collection (stored on the WD in the dining room) it accessed it no problems with no artefacts. One thing I learned last night is that with the T Box i don't have to convert my DVD's it picks up the VIDEO_TS folders no problem.
I may have misinterpreted your situation, but if you stored your eyeTV recordings on the WD or any upnp drive, i'm sure you wouldn't have any issues. I also have an eyeTV so i can test if you want. Or get a T-Box and let it do your recordings ;-)
Mick - Thank you for taking the time to write this - I needed some one to bounce ideas off and you post is very valuable - even more so since it reflects technology (the Telstra T-Box) that is available in Australia !
I did try to take a look at the T-Box in a Telstra store ........ but after 5 minutes I gave up waiting for one of the lazy Gen-Ys to come over to me and ask if I needed assistance :-)
[ apologies to all Gen-Y Beoworlders ... you could never say Evan is lazy !)
But the main counter to the T-Box is I recently signed an extension with Optus to go to 500GB a month.
Anyhow to take up you excellent points:-
mickhoog: elephant:So I am back to my original plan, which was B&O link TVs .... unless someone can think of something smarter/faster than EyeTV I suppose you could say that I have a stand alone setup already. 3 big ass TV's in 3 different rooms (Sony). Ed, I suppose it depends on what content you're wanting to distribute.
Interesting ... sounds like you have the kind of set-up I can learn from ...
mickhoog: If it's FTA why don't you just watch that as its happening? Or are you talking about things you've recorded via eyeTV?
LOL, you are right - FTA should just come through the aerial :-)
So what I was testing was pretty stupid :-))
Except I was trying to see if I could get around having to run digital aerial cables and splitters around the house
I do access my eyeTV recordings ... but it was actually all the video processing to take a live signal, transcode to whatever to put it on the Mac's screen, then lift it and transmit it to the iPad, and then relay it to the ATV .... so not really surprising I had problems
mickhoog: My setup is that I have a WB MyBookLive which is connected to my TimeCapsule. As the TIme Capsule is not upnp but the WD is, I have all of my content stored on this and can access it in any room.
That's a neat idea ! (if I have interpreted correctly), you use the WD to backdoor gateway the TC ? If you do then it means that the TC can perform its functions, and yet its files can be shared out via FLNA/UPNP via the WD !
mickhoog: Something faster / smarter might actually be the T-Box. I have only had success with it and it's been a great buy.
Something faster / smarter might actually be the T-Box. I have only had success with it and it's been a great buy.
hmmmm ... but I have made my ATV and Optus investment
mickhoog: Last night I was accessing FTA and my recordings in the bedroom (it's in the bedroom), but when i wanted to watch my dvd collection (stored on the WD in the dining room) it accessed it no problems with no artefacts. One thing I learned last night is that with the T Box i don't have to convert my DVD's it picks up the VIDEO_TS folders no problem.
Last night I was accessing FTA and my recordings in the bedroom (it's in the bedroom), but when i wanted to watch my dvd collection (stored on the WD in the dining room) it accessed it no problems with no artefacts. One thing I learned last night is that with the T Box i don't have to convert my DVD's it picks up the VIDEO_TS folders no problem.
mickhoog: I may have misinterpreted your situation, but if you stored your eyeTV recordings on the WD or any upnp drive, i'm sure you wouldn't have any issues.
I may have misinterpreted your situation, but if you stored your eyeTV recordings on the WD or any upnp drive, i'm sure you wouldn't have any issues.
My eyeTVs are on a drive controlled by the miniMac, which made sense in a LinkPlayer, hard wired world ... but since I moved to the iPad, ATV, and wireless things are more flexible but a little chaotic and in some places broken ... what I should probably do is configure the eyeTV to directly transcode from its format into an iTune friendly format for import into iTunes, at which point they become directly accessible to the ATV and also can be dropped on to an iPhone or iPad for on the road listening & watching
mickhoog: I also have an eyeTV so i can test if you want. Or get a T-Box and let it do your recordings ;-)
Thanks for the offer - but your ideas are what have helped me ... if you could confirm my TC - WD backdoor assumption that would be great - TIA
And yes, a T-Box would be more wife friendly :-(
T Box is also elderly friendly (incase you have any elderly family members). I bought 2 for people that find it so easy to use to record etc.
But anyway, if you're in the area and want to see the setup, just let me know.
I am thinking of putting a diagram together like that excellent one you had but i'll describe it:
Lounge Room:
Modem and Router in One (is not sending a wireless signal, just using for ethernet)
Ethernet going in to a PowerLine adapter
Remaining ethernet used to link to: Sony TV, Foxtel Box, PlayStation
Dining Room:
PowerLink adapter receiving the signal from the Lounge room which goes via ethernet to the Time Capsule
The Time Capsule sends out the wireless signal for my Sony Vaio Desktop, 1 iPad, 2 iPhones, 1 MacBook Air, 1 Mac Mini and 1 PowerBook. The apple devices can use the TimeCapsule for Time Machine Back ups.
I also use the Time Capsule to store network files such as documents we can both access and other things
The WD is connected to the TimeCapsule via ethernet (so it's not using it as an air disk), and any device can access this. My TV in the bedroom via TBox can pick up my movies and my printer in the bedroom can scan over the wireless network for the WD to receive the scanned files. So this is the hub of my house. It also contains my iTunes library. And because iTunes music is not DRM any device can pick it up.
If I have any Apple TV's (there are 3 here), if they are accessed via the wireless signal then they can pick up on the library. Neato.
So that's pretty much the setup. There are some other devices, but all in all, i'm happy with the way I've set it up.
Sounds terrific ! and an amazing collection of technologies.
The thunderstorm that just passed through Melbourne blipped my TC but it recovered !
One thing I am not sure I understand is access to the WD coupled to the TC.
So for example do the Sony boxes (PS or Vaio) "see" the TC as a DLNA/uPNP disk with the WD as an extension, or is it vice versa - do they see the WD as the primary access and then see the TC as an extension ?
Just trying to understand what sort of user interface you are using to gain access to the file systems - I use PLEX running on my MacMini but get confused around how the BS5E for example gains access to a common iTunes library (like you, most of my stuff is MP3s from my CD library)
I should have added that what I originally was planning to distribute way back when were:
Hi Ed,
Ok. Well it's been raining here as you know for a few days now.
The TV sees the WD not as an extension but as a drive on the network. The TV doesn't see the TC because it's not DLNA. If you have a jailbroken ATV1 then you can see the TC, but you have to manually add it as an SMB Share.
I tried Plex but I don't use it anymore - although i think it's superior to the XBMC (just my opinion).
At the moment to see the WD, I use the TV's interface (no additional software), or if i'm in the bedroom on the Panasonic LCD then i use the TBox. In either room I also have an ATV. But i mainly use this to rent movies. I no longer try and purchase movies through iTunes because they are DRM protected and I can't watch them where i want (besides on my iPad / iPhone).
All my movies have been ripped to mp4 to allow me to add them to my iPad so that when I stay away from home I got something to watch :-)
I'm only guessing but because the WD has an inbuilt Twonky server I think that this is the "special" thing that the BS5e needs to see the drive on the network.
In answer to your second post:
> I have not tried to distribute Foxtel to other rooms (i.e. just have one box). I did however purchase a Slingbox when they first hit the Aussie market. I bought a sling box and a sling catcher and I use this from time to time to send the signal to the bedroom (via ethernet which I ran through the walls as an experiment). But because i got it (SB and SC) in its first days on the market I paid nearly a grand. THe opportunity cost of getting a second foxtel box (or in my case, a third lol) should have outweighed the purchase of the slingbox.
Lest We Forget (ANZAC Day)
PS I think I have a potential future electronics graveyard haha. But seriously it's been my lifes work of late to simplify my digital existence. I am trying everything to sell all the items i don't need. I'm going to try and run a lean system, but even though I have a few devices at the moment, i'm really enjoying it as a hobby.
mickhoog: Hi Ed, Ok. Well it's been raining here as you know for a few days now. The TV sees the WD not as an extension but as a drive on the network. The TV doesn't see the TC because it's not DLNA. If you have a jailbroken ATV1 then you can see the TC, but you have to manually add it as an SMB Share. I tried Plex but I don't use it anymore - although i think it's superior to the XBMC (just my opinion). At the moment to see the WD, I use the TV's interface (no additional software), or if i'm in the bedroom on the Panasonic LCD then i use the TBox. In either room I also have an ATV. But i mainly use this to rent movies. I no longer try and purchase movies through iTunes because they are DRM protected and I can't watch them where i want (besides on my iPad / iPhone). All my movies have been ripped to mp4 to allow me to add them to my iPad so that when I stay away from home I got something to watch :-) I'm only guessing but because the WD has an inbuilt Twonky server I think that this is the "special" thing that the BS5e needs to see the drive on the network. In answer to your second post: > I have not tried to distribute Foxtel to other rooms (i.e. just have one box). I did however purchase a Slingbox when they first hit the Aussie market. I bought a sling box and a sling catcher and I use this from time to time to send the signal to the bedroom (via ethernet which I ran through the walls as an experiment). But because i got it (SB and SC) in its first days on the market I paid nearly a grand. THe opportunity cost of getting a second foxtel box (or in my case, a third lol) should have outweighed the purchase of the slingbox. Lest We Forget (ANZAC Day) PS I think I have a potential future electronics graveyard haha. But seriously it's been my lifes work of late to simplify my digital existence. I am trying everything to sell all the items i don't need. I'm going to try and run a lean system, but even though I have a few devices at the moment, i'm really enjoying it as a hobby.
Hi Mick - it is lucky we can grow webbed feet - pretty soon we will be paddling to work.
About your PS, yes we are pretty much in synch - it's my hobby too and my goal; however I drive my family up the wall with my constant "innovations"
However I can't be bothered to try and offload my experiments (none cost anything like your sling box investments!) so the non-B&O is binned, and the B&O is part of the dust gathering museum
Many thanks for all your detail explanations - I know better understand this explanation:
PowerLink adapter receiving the signal from the Lounge room which goes via ethernet to the Time Capsule The Time Capsule sends out the wireless signal for my Sony Vaio Desktop, 1 iPad, 2 iPhones, 1 MacBook Air, 1 Mac Mini and 1 PowerBook. The apple devices can use the TimeCapsule for Time Machine Back ups. I also use the Time Capsule to store network files such as documents we can both access and other things The WD is connected to the TimeCapsule via ethernet (so it's not using it as an air disk), and any device can access this.
The WD is connected to the TimeCapsule via ethernet (so it's not using it as an air disk), and any device can access this.
Ok. So I have put my new found visio skills to test and done a basic AV wiring diagram so that you can see (hopefully). I have put uploaded it to my user files.
Michael:visio
arggh
Michael:skills
you're a better man than I am
Michael:uploaded it to my user files.
thank you
reproduced below for context
It was my first visio attempt and i'm glad i bought it for $15 through work with the Microsoft Home User Program. :-)