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Thanks to other members help the Beomaster 2000 system (inc record deck & cassette) works all ok (DIY on all new belts & cap changes etc!) Now looking at getting a CD player to fit in.
I know that at the time the CDX was the thing to fit in with the system. I also know that the CDX2 replaced this , & then that was replaced with the CD3300!
Questions:
1. Would a CD3300 work with the Beomaster 2000? & what are know problems with the player?
2. Is it worth spending the money on a CDX instead of a CD3300? (CDX prices seem to be more).
3. Or would it be better to accept the offer of a complete 6500 system (6500 amp/tuner,6500 master control panel, 6500CD, 6500 record deck WITHOUT cartridge, & a 5500 cassette deck) with Redline 60.2 speakers? and then forget the repaired 2000 system???
Choices.......choices????
Listening to B&O since conception!
Beomaster 2000 (type 291x), Beogram 2000, Beocord 2000, BeoVox CX100, & now with added Beogram CD3500.
Other Hi-Fi is Denon & Monitor Audio, with fancy DIY cabling/bi-wiring, mains filters etc., etc.
Why not go for both
MM
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I had a Beosystem 2000 from 2003 to 2006 and went to Beosystem 6000/8000 and 6500.
As for CDX I also went for one though I used a portable Philips with the 2000 system and I still got it.
The connections on a Beomaster 2000 are limited in inputs so the tape input is the only option and a CDX is with RCA plugs so you would need a converter plug. I used a Beocord 2000 but it would work best input wise deciding on cd or tape for good.
The CDX is a great sounding not harsh or digital player where the lazer is yet to give known problems. Left hinge and cold solderings but not difficult to get serviced. All CDX reviews gets the thumbs up including me. It would also match a Beomaster 2000 fine in design.
1: A CD3300 would work but designed for the Beomaster 3300 so you would be better of with the CDX. Research on CD3300 here on Beoworld for problems.
2: A CDX is worth the money and the prices go up as it is a great unit. For a Beomaster 2000 it is the most ideal one.
3: To accept an offer for a 6500 system? I did twice so far but after the 2000 it was 6000/8000 first. But different B&O for different needs. I even think my old 2000 system is currently for sale here in Denmark. I have seen the ad. Would I want it back? So far no need.
What are the needs and the desire here? A higher quality built Beosystem and more options such as powerlink and be able to connect to the newest Beovisions coming out these days? Use active or passive speakers? Linking to MCL or Master link? Is it the design? The smaller space it takes? I used an Attyca II B&O stand for the 3 units 2000 and now my white 6500 is using the Attyca I saving good space. What about controlling it with a Beolink 1000/Beo4 or Beolink 7000? A greater Beocord with HX pro? I use 5500 and 6500 and they play/record great. With great Beocords you may develop an interest in cassette tapes.
I like the high quality, design and the options. That is why I got a 6500 these days.
I wish I could justify having the 6500 system that I am offered! If I accept I would have to get rid of my existing 2000 system to make room!!! The only fly in the ointment re the 6500 system is that it does not have any record cartridge (so that's £250 plus to add), the cassette deck is not a perfect match (5500), & I am unsure as to what may go wrong as history is not 1000%! Where as I have had the 2000 system in the family since new, & I have just done the belts on the cassette deck & the record deck, & it is in mint condition!
My main listening is done on a brand new Denon F-109 system & Monitor Audio BX2 bronze speakers......and these are bi-wired!! I am basically ripping (using dbpoweramp full programme) my cds & storing them as FLAC on a 500gb USB drive & use the network player on the Denon to play the music!
The only reason I am keeping the B&O is to play old tapes & records which I cannot get on CD! I am using a Beringer? phono to USB DAC to record the tapes or records onto my laptop then dumping it onto the 500gb drive for the network player!
My Beomaster 2000 has a pair of analogue (phono) inputs & outputs for "tape 2" with a switch on the control panel for "tape 1" (DIN) & "tape 2" (phono) In fact I've just had a look at the instructions (just found them in the back of a file) .
Will have to keep looking at CDx, CDX2 & CD3300...as to me they all match..............well the 3300 has a better grill at the back. just need to match the matt brushed alu panels on the 2000 system!
Decided NOT to go for the 6500 system as although in good condition that series has lots of potential for faults! Also it requires a whole MMC2 cartridge!...So lots of expense!!!..........and I've just sorted out my 2000 system!
Anyway after searching the web found lots of CDX players, but most with loads of faults, (displays, left hinge, etc), and wanting £150 with faults & collection only! As the nearest was 3hrs drive way (in supposedly good condition) I gave up!
Finally ordered a MINT 3500 player from Quality Dream Audio which will match more or less & it has been serviced!! Only for an extra £49 inc P&P! So just waiting for it to turn up! When the 3 month warranty expires I might get some 3M brushed alu vinyl self adhesive sheet to cover the painted look top, so it will match the 2000 system!
Also ordered some din plugs/sockets to make up my own better speaker cables & ditch the bell wire that B&O issue!
The CDX-2 was sold at the same time as the CD3300.
The CD3300 had a din cable with datalink to communicate with the master 3300.
The CDX-2 was my first newly bought cd-player in 1987 I think. I rewired the CDX-2 with the same cable as the CD3300 and connected it to phono input from my BM2000 (upgraded to a BM3000). I bridged the RIAA inside the BM2000 and the CDX2 responded to the Beomaster commands.
DARoss: When the 3 month warranty expires I might get some 3M brushed alu vinyl self adhesive sheet to cover the painted look top, so it will match the 2000 system!
When the 3 month warranty expires I might get some 3M brushed alu vinyl self adhesive sheet to cover the painted look top, so it will match the 2000 system!
if you like to see how that would turn out, just check this: 33749
it's not 3M but d-c-fic, however I also made some comments on the 3M vinyl further down the linked page
//Goran
That is sweet!!!!!!.............just the look I was hoping for!!!!!!
I have seen some 3M stuff with air channels (read your posts in that link) and have to get a big piece to get the grain in the right direction!!
Anyway the CD3500 turned up today all ok. Left it to warm to room temp for 1hr then plugged it in after removing the transport screws! Tried it with the cd plugged into the DIN tape 1 on the Beomaster 2000 and the Beocord 2000 plugged into a DIN to Phono adaptor in the tape2 phonos. The CD3500 data link to the Beomaster tripped the PHONO input on the Beomaster! So the data link coding is wrong! Was a long shot anyway! So swapped the Beocord back to tape1 DIN, and plugged the CD3500 into the DIN to phono lead & that into the tape2 phono on the Beomaster 2000!
So now playing CDs for the first time on this system!! Not bad for just a 25w amp! Now have to make up proper extension block & get some decent speaker cable & also looking at making a shorter DIN to phono lead using CAT6 cable? What do B&O use for their cables???
Had the CD 3500 now for a few weeks. I am glad that I bought this model as it matches the side profile of 2000 components. I understand that the CD3300 was the first B&O built CD player & used the base tray from the cassette deck, as the others were Philips machines & used the base tray from the Philips CD player which is why they don't match the side profile of the 2000 exactly.
Later on I will get some 3M Scotch brushed Alu foil to stick onto the CD3500 to match it a bit better. Anyway the sound from the speakers I have is amazing! Never heard a CD through this system before! Also I got a set of male & female DIN plugs from the seller of the CD3500 & they are very good quality, so bought some Atlas 2.0 OFC cable & made up some very nice speaker cable (got rid of the thin B&O stuff). Now using the whole system more than I have before................
B&O CD players with datalink are programmed to act like record players with a built in RIAA. That is why it switches the Beomaster to PH. The 3500/4500 CD players are very neat machines with excellent sound. I will be interested to see if you can hear any difference between the speaker cables - B&O cable is surprisingly good and ,when tested by the golden ears at B&O, is as good as any alternative.
Peter
Peter: B&O CD players with datalink are programmed to act like record players with a built in RIAA. That is why it switches the Beomaster to PH. The 3500/4500 CD players are very neat machines with excellent sound. I will be interested to see if you can hear any difference between the speaker cables - B&O cable is surprisingly good and ,when tested by the golden ears at B&O, is as good as any alternative.
Thought as much re the PH tripping.
As for telling the difference between the speaker cables, I have sensitive & trained hearing & can tell the difference, especially with well recorded CD's like Linn or Naim! I've had to turn the bass & treble down, and the sound staging is way better than the B&O cables!!!
Before we get into the "snake oil" arguments re speaker cables, I do draw the line at spending more than 33% of the cost of a system on the cost of the cabling! I think a moderate outlay on a good quality cable will & does bring benefits! Noticed the difference on all my systems! However have been at shows & can't tell the supposed difference between cables costing £1000 & £2000. As for the quality of the original B&O speaker cables, very basic construction, thin, & I doubt if it is OFC! The Atlas stuff was cheap at only £4.50/m, I have used to great success the Bi-wire version for my Denon/Monitor Audio system & that cost £12/m!
All cables supplied by manufacturers are a basic set-you-up cable, even the B&O ones will be done down to a price! Although they may sound better than other even thinner freebies included with other manufactures products, they are still "basic" and can be improved upon!