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Looks similar to the 3000. Maybe many are jumping on the auction now.
Greetings,
Kai
Seems to be quite simply a Beogram 42V, apparently with a factory-installed tone arm lift and some odd cartridge (and tonearm?).
I don't think it's too big a rarity - lovely photos though!
--mika
tournedos: Seems to be quite simply a Beogram 42V, apparently with a factory-installed tone arm lift and some odd cartridge (and tonearm?). I don't think it's too big a rarity - lovely photos though!
Yes, it is the good old 42V.
The tone arm for sure but I would say, not even tone arm lift is genuine. I think the half-ring on the ON/OFF switch is also missing.
And the missing F in the name (42V) means that this is a version without RIAA preamplifier built in...
I agree that it is nothing special...
Vintage Bang & Olufsen
The tonearm lift is, in fact, genuine B&O.
It was an optional extra but here it was apparently factory mounted.I haven't seen that before. Very nice find.The tonearm, I'm sure, is a homemade modification, though.
Martin
Dillen: The tonearm lift is, in fact, genuine B&O. It was an optional extra but here it was apparently factory mounted.I haven't seen that before. Very nice find.The tonearm, I'm sure, is a homemade modification, though. Martin
OK, I was wrong about tonarm lift (not my first time ) but I must admit, I like to be wrong if the Martin comes with new interesting informations and pictures for us
I have 2 Beograms of this type 42VF and 610VF (which is almost the same), both with tone arm lift. If I can remember well, I think both have the same lift which is different from this to bee seen on the auction. I will put out my both turntables from the closet in the evening and look more precise after.
Regards,
Theomaster
Hi,
I am looking for a long time for such a lift ("type PL"), for my 42 VF with an ST/L tonearm.
Is there anybody, who could offer me such a lift?
AND:
If anybody buys this TT: Do not put the rubber-platter in rinsing agent over night. It will partial dissolve.
(Could anybody offer me a "like-new" 42 VF rubber-platter?)
Greetings
OK, finaly I found time to put out my 42VF of his box. Here it is:
and here is the lift:
I would say its like original posted from Martin...
... and what I wanted to say with the missing half-ring, is the fact that this part (see picture) is missing on the TT which is on the Ebay:
.. so I think it could be not so easy to start and stop the TT because the On/off swich is placed in it.
But obviously it doesn't matter, the people are ready to pay lot for this specimen...
R,
beaker:That deck looks great o master. I have one but not as nice. As to cleaning the rubber platter, I've had two of this style of deck and both times I've put in the dishwasher and they've come out beautifully.
good to know... I am always little bit scary with all those chemicals...
and luckily my platter is still clean
Is your TT also 42VF or some other variation of this model (41V(F), 608, 609, 610 V(F) ?
Wow. Your 42 VF looks really great.
I hope my 42 VF looks like yours one day.
The plinth and the deck look like new, but the tonarm finger lift (this black platic thing) is missing and one of the tonarm-rubber-bearings is broken.
The rubber-platter is still o. k., but the rinsing agent made some white spots to the gray rubber.
If I could get a good complete new tonarm (with lift), it would look like from factory or like yours.
stereolabor: ... but the tonarm finger lift (this black platic thing) is missing ...
... but the tonarm finger lift (this black platic thing) is missing ...
Hopefully you will find soon this missing part. These TT's are now coming from time to time on the Bay for sale. So maybe you will find one cheap for a parts ...
But there is also something strange about this little "finger arm" on the ton arm. I have also Beogram 610 VF which should be almost identical as 42VF bu it isn't. Exactly this part is different and there is obviously a reason for that, I think. I bought this Beogram 610VF in DK (thanks Millemissen once again!) only because it had a dust cover (very rare to be seen!) and I wanted this dust cover for my 42VF. The dust cover came broken (but it is another story) and for my surprise it does not fit on the 42VF! And the only reason is, that this little finger arm is longer on the 42VF as on the 610VF and therefore the cover could not be put on the TT. I don't know if this was on all TT or it is only mine.
It would be nice to hear again from Martin if he knows something about that.
I will post the picture of it on the evening...
I can't say that I kow a lot about this but I seem to remember a cutout at the side similar to that for the counterweight.I will have to look for it.But I have seen a similar case where a B&O dustcover has been "modified"to fit on the HMV version of the same deck:
You could also ask Menahem; In this thread he claims to have serviced and restored all Beograms ever made.http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/9235.aspx?PageIndex=2I can't say the same.
Dillen: I can't say that I kow a lot about this but I seem to remember a cutout at the side similar to that for the counterweight.I will have to look for it.But I have seen a similar case where a B&O dustcover has been "modified"to fit on the HMV version of the same deck: You could also ask Menahem; In this thread he claims to have serviced and restored all Beograms ever made.http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/9235.aspx?PageIndex=2I can't say the same. Martin
Very elegant solution
But I am not so sure if this hole was originaly made by B&O.
Here the 2 pictures of my 2 TT's, the version with and without dust cover:
Or both side by side ...
I found other pictures on the Net with this short arm and always if the cover was present.
My conclusion is that this shorter arm was factory mounted if the TT was ordered with dust cover.
It would be realy very interesting what the Menahem has to say if he have serviced and restored all Beograms ever made.
the_o_master: My conclusion is that this shorter arm was factory mounted if the TT was ordered with dust cover.
This could very well be true. I've seen both types of tonearm handle on several decks.And the drilled hole is definitely not original.I clearly remember having a dustcover with two cutouts, one on the side and the other at the rear, it's justthat I can't seem to find any photos of it. This suggests that it's probably still in my collection.
I checked the 1963 catalogues where the 42V(F) was featured but there is no mentioning of the dustcover whatsoever.
I found this, it's for GR41V and 42V:
But it is not what I remember seeing.And it seems to be making room for the counterweight when playing records with the dustcoverfitted rather than making room for the lift arm and/or tonearm handle.
Dillen: I clearly remember having a dustcover with two cutouts, one on the side and the other at the rear, it's just that I can't seem to find any photos of it.
I clearly remember having a dustcover with two cutouts, one on the side and the other at the rear, it's just
that I can't seem to find any photos of it.
As I said I got finaly this second TT with dust cover but unfortunately with broken edges. This cover has two coutouts, but both on the rear for the ton arm counterweight. Here the pic:
Yes. The high and rather square'ish cutout looks the part. The later Beogram 1000 dustcovers have a more rounded cutout.However, I am not sure about that logo on the top. It looks a bit too Beogram 1000'ish but I cannot rule it out.
Dillen: I found this, it's for GR41V and 42V: But it is not what I remember seeing.And it seems to be making room for the counterweight when playing records with the dustcoverfitted rather than making room for the lift arm and/or tonearm handle. Martin
Oh, what a nice catalog picture
And I had to put it out from the closet once again
Dillen: Yes. The high and rather square'ish cutout looks the part. The later Beogram 1000 dustcovers have a more rounded cutout.However, I am not sure about that logo on the top. It looks a bit too Beogram 1000'ish but I cannot rule it out.
I am also not sure about logo but it is the only one cover I have (seen). I hope it is original
But it seems you have it right there - the dustcover with two cutouts.Not for the toneram handle, only for the lift handle.So all you need now (apart from a dustcover without breaks) is to replace the tonearm handle
That will be the easy part
Dillen: However, I am not sure about that logo on the top. It looks a bit too Beogram 1000'ish but I cannot rule it out. Martin
However, I am not sure about that logo on the top. It looks a bit too Beogram 1000'ish but I cannot rule it out.
I think we have a second proof:
I agree.
Dillen: But it seems you have it right there - the dustcover with two cutouts.Not for the toneram handle, only for the lift handle.
But it seems you have it right there - the dustcover with two cutouts.Not for the toneram handle, only for the lift handle.
Maybe but as we saw in the past, probably there are other strange modification also anywhere in the world waiting to be discovered by crazy vintage Beoworlder
And the other cutout you mentioned was probably for the long version of tone arm (ST/L or something like that)?
Dillen: So all you need now (apart from a dustcover without breaks) is to replace the tonearm handle
So all you need now (apart from a dustcover without breaks) is to replace the tonearm handle
I think I will wait for other cover but you are fully right, without changing the tonarm handle it will benot possible...
I wish you good night..
Since I bought my 42 VF, I collect all photos of 608, 610 and 42 models I can find.
And yes, some 42 models have a short cylindric finger lift, but most have that longer more beautiful shaped finger lift (like your model).
Maybe the dust-cover theory is true, because the longer version is not compatible with the cover.
The Beogram 1000 arms also have that short cylindric one (because of the cover?).
I have even seen a shaped metal (aluminium) finger lift on an older B&O ST/M-like tonearm (used on a PE deck).
Oh sorry. I was not up to date. This forum is too fast for me ...
Where do I get such a replacement tonearm handle?
Or can You tell me the dimensions?
Dillen: So all you need now (apart from a dustcover without breaks) is to replace the tonearm handle That will be the easy part Martin
OMG Martin, you have all the possible and impossible parts
Are those for "screw-in" or are they stuck in the hole at the tonearm?
The handle is stuck into the hole in the tonearm.A press fit, I don't think any glue is used.
Back to the original issue:
The seller got EUR 234,00 for this TT with self made ton arm and missing On/Off ring. Not bad (for him)...