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Hi Drew,
Yea, talk of smells is boring. I agree, move on.
Thank you for your patience and your reporting a louder FM volume as compared to TAPE or RECORD. I was a bit concerned, but no longer.
My ever dependable Beomaster 2400 has about 23 hours on it and I tried turning up the volume this afternoon, and initially it sounded impressive, better than the Beomaster 4500 in its subtly range…. a host of delicate notes missed by the 4500, which was still very good, don’t get me wrong.
Then the upper range kind of crashed and fell apart. Nothing like the antics of my Beomaster 4400, not even close, but from my limited experience, I’d say this 2400 has not settled in quite yet.
It is playing right now ever so quietly. By the end of this evening it will have close to 30 hours on it, so I will give it another go tomorrow.
Thank you my friend for your interest, which means a lot!
Jeff
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The FM stations here in Mexico blares out commercials at extra high volume, and their normal programs, every station different but all higher than tape and phono,. dont remember if the BM 2400 has an adjustment for that, but my BMs 4000 and 4400 has.
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Hi Jeff
which speakers are you using on the BM2400?
I am doing an experiment at the moment, for the first time I am using a digital source on my BM2200 and S75 speakers, it's a Marantz CD6003 CD player and so far the results have been pleasing to say the least. The s75s are such a fun speaker, their midrange detail is awesome since their recap, very impressed.
The BM2200 also has much louder FM than the other inputs. FM is good listening level at 1.5 on the dial, other inputs at about 3.
drew
Søren Mexico: The FM stations here in Mexico blares out commercials at extra high volume, and their normal programs, every station different but all higher than tape and phono,. dont remember if the BM 2400 has an adjustment for that, but my BMs 4000 and 4400 has.
Hi Søren,
Where is the FM adjustment on the BM 4400?
I am currently using S 45.2 speakers with my Beomaster 2400. I wanted to keep it apples and apples (as opposed to apples and oranges) for a good comparison of before and after.
The final arrangement is ANYTHING but certain at this time as we have had to offer our landlord the concession of vacating our first floor suite in order to reduce overhead. Insane inconvenience aside, there is zero soundproofing between the first and second floors and what you hear in the living room is what you hear below.
As such to be a good neighbor to the new tenant, we are forced to move ALL the media/stereo equipment to the third floor. First our landlord needs to agree to this arrangement, and then I need to get working on what goes where.
Picture moving your entire living room into a 12’ X 11” bedroom…. I see a sledgehammer, an ax, and a power saw in my future! But at least the sound doesn’t make it past two floors, should be cozy!
Piaf:an auto tire on fire IN THE HOUSE!
//Bo.A long list...
Not FM adjustment, but TP1, TP2, Phono, all left-right, and a stereo level adjust, all at the bottom of the unit.
Piaf:As such to be a good neighbor to the new tenant, we are forced to move ALL the media/stereo equipment to the third floor. First our landlord needs to agree to this arrangement, and then I need to get working on what goes where.
The positive side of the move: Better FM reception
Søren Mexico: Piaf:As such to be a good neighbor to the new tenant, we are forced to move ALL the media/stereo equipment to the third floor. First our landlord needs to agree to this arrangement, and then I need to get working on what goes where. The positive side of the move: Better FM reception
Søren,
You rascal! All the trouble of moving parts of two floors and all you can say is better FM reception?
Grumble, whine, and kvetch….. but you are right, the FM reception will be better, after a point. You need to consider we are at 380 feet above sea level, so ALL FM reception should be pretty good, and is.
I am sure that’s why I get virtually all the Seattle, Washington FM stations and my father-in-law, who lives at sea level doesn’t. (He has a cheap old receiver, but I didn’t say that…..)
You have been ever so patiently await my “review” on my Beomaster 2400. Hey, I am not forgetting Søren, Jacques, Bo, and Rich….. I know you have all been curious about this latest rebuild.
And the verdict is, drum roll, and the envelope please…. the break-in is not complete. What? Yes, changes are still happening and YES the Beosmell meter is still being triggered.
But not to worry guys, I have no intention of leaving you hanging like that.
Yesterday in the early evening I turned up the volume to (I am only guessing) about 60% of capacity and it started well, but didn’t last. The upper end sounded a bit like a box half filled with broken glass being shaken vigorously.
Now doesn’t THAT paint a picture? The broken glass comparison is pretty much spot on for a description, so suffice to say, it didn’t make a hit. I turned the volume back down and the Beomaster 2400 was happy again.
Today I have about 33 hours on my Beomaster 2400 and it was time to see what this 2400 is made of.
I turned the volume up to (once again only guessing) about 80% of capacity and this time no upper end crunching. Smile! I was using my Beocord 8004 and was quite pleased with the overall performance.
Then with the faint of heart removed from the room, I switched to the Beogram 4002 and the volume at 90%.
The little Beomaster 2400 still slightly out of focus, none the less put out a remarkable performance. The bass is was very clear, which is IMPORTANT as I still have a nagging speaker problem with one of my S 45.2 speakers and ANY deviation produces an awful rumble.
No rumble. And no doubt about it, the rebuild restored the volume level it lost during the over-heating.
So Drew will still want to know is the Beomaster 2400 better than the Beomaster 4500?
The objective answer is yes, the 2400 has a more lifelike and believable sound and the bass in particular is more precise. The upper end is still a work in progress.
Right now the difference between the two amplifiers 2400 and 4500 is slight. I venture to say that if I put them side by side with S 75 speakers that the difference would increase and be considerately more noticeable.
Lastly, as I knew you guys were waiting, I made this “review” before the Beomaster 2400 has had the time to fully settle in.
I wave watched three Beomasters break-in (4400, 4500, and 2400) and believe me it takes time and the process can not be rushed. And while I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their beliefs, I do believe that folks who say amplifiers don’t break-in have been misinformed.
In any case I am a happy camper. Thanks to Rich and Søren for recommending Benny of Roswell, Georgia.
Benny was not all that thrilled with the BM 4500, but the BM 2400 took him by surprise. When Benny said that my BM 2400 was the cleanest 2400 he had ever repaired, I felt like a proud grandfather producing 50 pictures of their grandchild.
I should have told him I have the original box for the 2400…… naw, too much.
Thanks everyone for your interest.
Thats very good news indeed, Jeff, we have been waiting a long time for this, my 2400 broke down after 6 month after my first repair, with the help of the forum I got it running again, but for repair (or recondition) there is nothing like an experienced professional, the recommendation to Benny came from Rich, Rich is (in his own words) a steely eyed missile man, he has done more items with Benny, also had to return items for guarantee repairs, but all came out well. Thats why I recommended Benny. As for your BM 2400, I am happy for you, for me my 2400 is not my best BM considering sound, thats my BM 4400, but for design, the BM 2400 is my favorite, at the moment I have in a rack , BM 4400, BM 2400, BM 3300 and the 5000 stack, the one that crave my attention, when walking by, is the BM 2400. Discreet design, and not to be seen, a hell of a receiver/amp, where as the BM 4400, looks a little like, come and test me, catching your eye, and looks Tech like. The "flats" are my design favorites, from sound and power, its the 4400.
Congrats Jeff.
We do share a good deal in common.
You would know better than most that these amplifiers need to be broken in slowly.
My Beomaster 2400 earned my respect early on, and if any electronic product could be said to be a “loyal companion,” this Beomaster 2400 deserves the distinction. Big time.
The 2400 is still settling out, but I have NO doubt that it will be wonderful once it settles in. It manages to reproduce subtleties my much loved Beomaster 4500 misses entirely.
I also agree that the design of the 2400 is superb.
As you know we also share a love for the Beomaster 4400. My case has been documented in the extreme and while I comprehend that MY Beomaster 4400 is not up to the standards it could be, I enjoy it for what it is.
For the record I find the Beomaster 4400 a beautiful piece of art.
Assuming we don’t move, I rather suspect the Beomaster 2400 will get the S 75 speakers, leaving the MC 120.2 or the Fisher XP-77’s for the Beomaster 4400. That is a waste of great amplifier, but one step at a time.
Thanks for your congrats and more importantly, your friendship!
I wish they made a Beomaster 2400 flat design with touch controls using the BM2200 amplifier circuit. The 2200 is a little bland to look at but one hell of an amplifier.
Glad to hear your unit is coming along well Jeff. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the S75 on the 2400. I think it he 2400 is best suited to the s45's!
Hello Drew,
No doubt, I repeat NO doubt the Beomaster 2400, as well as the Beomaster 4500 are best suited to the S 45.2 speakers.
On specs the Beomaster 1900 series is poorly matched and inadequate to the S 75 four-way speaker, but I don’t feel this is the true case.
I have little doubt that there are many here at BeoWorld who would subscribe to this theory, which makes perfect sense, if not to me.
That said I personally have no concerns running a Beomaster 1900 series amplifier with the more power demanding S 75 speakers.
It is not like we were talking M 150 speakers.
Like you I just love the S 75 speakers with their incredibly well balanced sound. The S 45.2 are nice, very nice for a true bookshelf speaker, but they are NOT in the same league with the S 75. (Sorry Peter!)
Anyway, we are getting ahead of ourselves, as my Beomaster 2400 is still settling in, with my just rebuilt Beomaster 4500 sitting on the sidelines collecting dust, an unforgivable waste that must be corrected.
Once I know if we are moving, this situation will be addressed in earnest.
Jeff:
I'm glad you found Benny's services to your liking. The worst thing that can happen to an enthusiast is to have his favorite technician not liked by a fellow enthusiast. I've seen friendships ruined over less.
But anyway, I would like to offer a suggestion. Try to find some P45s. I think the P45s are THE speaker for the BM2400.
Soren:
Apparently the earthquake didn't affect you. How are you and yours holding up?
Hi Rich,
So true, recommend someone who lets you down and friendships can and will be ruined.
Not so with Benny who did virtually everything right.
My Beomaster 2400 has been playing at medium volume all day, now hours totaling over 40, which should be more than enough.
Thank you too for the speaker recommendation. However, let me ask why the P45 over the S45.2?
I am still up in the air vis-à-vis moving or not moving, so I don’t wish to spend too much time planning a speaker arrangement that may never come to pass.
I can tell you one though, when I tried the S75 speakers with my rebuilt (by Benny) Beomaster 4500 I was literally blown away by the difference between them and the S45.2 speakers….. MUCH preferring the S75’s!
One pair of S75’s belongs to the BeoCenter 9000 and that is not going to change. That leaves just the one other pair of S75’s to go with either the BM 2400, BM4500, or BM4400. Kind of a hard choice.
I’d be happy to look for a pair of P45 speakers, but I kind of think they will be at par or thereabouts with the S45.2 speakers, which I like just fine…. as long as I don’t compare them with the S75’s.
Hey Soren. I too am wondering how you did during the earthquake? Are you OK? The BM 4400?
Rich: But anyway, I would like to offer a suggestion. Try to find some P45s. I think the P45s are THE speaker for the BM2400. Soren: Apparently the earthquake didn't affect you. How are you and yours holding up?
I can copy Rich on the P45s, hanging on a solid wall, connected to the BM 2400, the P45s blows you away.
Earthquake: It was a hard one, no structural damages, but my FS, my wife, that I love, nearly got a nervous breakdown,, and as she was in the middle of the 1985 earthquake, I have a lot of understanding for her. A lot of hugs and kisses, a glass of Tullamore Dew, to each of us, settled it. Never seen her like that.
I am truly sorry for your FS, that you undoubtedly love and adore. Earthquake stress is a VERY real occurrence and can be absolutely devastating, or so I am told.
Seven years in Seattle, Washington and nine years in British Columbia and I have never experiences so much as a tiny tremble.
Mt father-in-law was the Director of Geological Survey Canada and he says that while earthquakes release pressure they cause more pressure in other areas….. that would mean us.
Vancouver Island has faults running all over the place so it is a matter of when not if a major earthquake will hit here. Dread is the only word to describe this anticipation.
If we had the means with our “unusual” landlord’s current antics we’d we moving to New Mexico which is cool, sunny, and not prone to earthquakes. House prices are LESS than half what they are here…. but it ain’t in the cards right now.
Hope you salvaged a nice Easter after your wife’s scare!
Of a bit less importance, my Beomaster 2400 has now been playing for 40+ hours and keeps getting better and better.
Guys, this is my promised update on the Beomaster 2400/4500 comparison, which it is really coming together nicely. Anyone not wanting to read this lengthy missive about the new Media room, the bottom line is the Beomaster 2400 is a better amplifier than the Beomaster 4500.
With the dreaded prospect of yet another move on the horizon I have negotiated a tentative deal with our landlord to vacate 1/3 of our house for a similar sized reduction in rent. This is a lot like trying to cram a gallon into a quart, but with a bit of creativity and a whole lot of grunt work, the outcome is MUCH better than expected.
Initially I had planned to move our automobile “museum” which filled the first floor suite to a third floor bedroom. (We live in a tall skinny house.) Naturally this bedroom was already filled with furniture which had to be dispersed anywhere we could find a vacant spot.
Then I “discovered” that there is absolutely NO sound-proofing between our main floor and the suite below which translates that all the stereo gear was rendered useless if we had any intentions of being a courteous neighbor, which we do.
Necessity is the mother of invention so I changed plans and moved the stereo gear, TV, and assorted furnishings (all the wrong scale for a 10’ X 11’ room) to this bedroom and what we now have is a very tight but amazingly pleasing Media room.
Our new Media room has the 500 watt McIntosh, Linn Isobaric speakers, McIntosh ML-2 speakers with matching 5’ cabinet, the BeoCenter 9000 and S 75 speakers, the Beomaster 4500/Beogram 4500 now paired with the S 45 speakers, and a 52” Sony flat screen TV. Also included are the Beogram 4000, 8002, 1602, and Beocord 9000.
Next door in the Master bedroom is the Beomaster 2400, Beocord 8004, and Beogram 4002 just paired with S 75 speakers…. a profound improvement over the S 45’s….. I will never go back to the S 45’s. (Sorry for those who love them!)
On the opposite side of the Master bedroom is the Beomaster 4400/Beogram 8000/Akai 8-Track paired with MC 120.2 and Fisher XP-77 speakers. (A truly terrible combination, but better than nothing.)
There is also an enormous 1983 Sony 26” CRT consol television, which still works, so I hated taking it to the dump.
The Beomaster 4400 got the short end of the stick with the MC 120.2 speakers which are appalling mated to some cobbled together Fisher speakers. The Fishers were from my teenage period, which is to say they were abused and now the only thing left in them that is Fisher are the woofers, as the midrange and tweeters were replaced, as was the crossover network, now Scott.
Oddly enough the Fishers have almost no upper or midrange, but gobs of bass, which the MC 120.2 lack totally. Together they sound “fairly good” until compared with the Beomaster 2400/S 75’s which is easy as they are directly opposite each other. One of the amps was gonna get stuck with my God-awful MC 120.2 speakers and there was NO way that I’d risk those questionable speakers on either my rebuilt BM2400 or BM4500.
Suffice to say this compromise setup is audio over-kill in the extreme, but good grief the various stereos in the Media room sound FANTASTIC! Beyond belief, as does the Beomaster 2400 in the Master bedroom.
When I started moving everything around I had NO idea it would come out so well. The Media room doesn’t have room for so much as a thimble, but it really came out great and the sound is sensational….. and won’t disturb the new tenant.
Before anyone asks, the car “museum” is still largely on the first floor, as we had to move the stereo stuff to the upstairs to make room. As of last night the living room is desolate with all the eye-candy upstairs, not a single picture on the walls, just a sofa and a glass topped coffee table.
Now we are ready to move the auto showroom stuff, which is commercial-grade and HEAVY and huge plus all those bookcases. (The car books are already stacked in boxes all over the front entry and adjoining hallway.
Well that’s my story, a little long, but hopefully entertaining.
Piaf:Our new Media room has the 500 watt McIntosh, Linn Isobaric speakers, McIntosh ML-2 speakers with matching 5’ cabinet, the BeoCenter 9000 and S 75 speakers, the Beomaster 4500/Beogram 4500 now paired with the S 45 speakers, and a 52” Sony flat screen TV. Also included are the Beogram 4000, 8002, 1602, and Beocord 9000.
Bo,
Crowded it is.
I left out (deliberately as my post was already too long) a 42” glass coffee table with about 50 crystal figurines on it. This was formally part of the living room so talk about the wrong scale for such a tiny room!
The glass table has a remote controlled colour-changing LED lamp under it which illuminates the above crystal to a rather spectacular effect. (Might sound vulgar, but I assure you it isn’t.)
Completing the cozy package all the artwork that graced our living room is now artistically placed in that tiny bedroom, mostly high quality Dutch school faux art, a few artifacts from my father’s career (including a beautiful framed photo of the 32 carat blue diamond he sold, and a professional photo of a gerbera daisy from my garden. The new Media room is an eclectic grouping; formal yet thoroughly inviting. Makes you feel immediately at home….. by design!
Suffice to say I am most pleased with the end result.
We love photos!
I just knew you were going to say that. What is really needed is a wide-angle lens camera, which I don’t have. I mean there is so much stuff packed into that tiny space; it all comes across as a blur.
None the less, you wish is my command, I will get some photos sized to fit the BeoWorld server and post them.
In the mean time, I was going to post a few photos of the former living room, but all are too large for the server. However, here at least is the McIntosh tower, poorly photographed two houses back. Sure would have looked better in the right lighting, but better than nothing.
OK Bo,
This is a “before” photo of the living room with the audio equipment in it. Virtually everything you see here sans the sofa and Seeburg jukebox is now in our new Media room. Pictures of the after will follow. Click on the photo to see the whole room.
Jeff,
Thanks for sharing. You certainly know the art of packing a lot of equipment in small areas. I like the Tandberg R to R deck, been looking for a nice open reel deck for a while.
Hi Bo,
Packing a lot of equipment in small places? Yes sir, that I did. It is cozy and comfortable plus the sound quality is amazing!
Picture Two.
This is a third photo.
Here is picture number 4
And last, but not least, my rebuilt Beomaster 2400 is all its glory with S 75 speakers!
That's what i call a "surround system"
I think you might have been kidding about the surround sound, but in reality that is EXACTLY what it is.
When watching a movie you have the bright Linn Isobarics in front of you providing unlimited detail and the MASSIVE McIntosh ML-2’s behind you…. which are matched right to right and left to left.
Then perhaps not in the same league as the McIntosh, the BeoCenter 9000 sounds fantastic (really) with its S 75 speakers in that small crowded room.
Lastly, the Beomaster 4500/Beogram 4500 which you can hardly see below the TV is at a small disadvantage with the S 45 speakers sitting on the carpet. Still no slouch in the sound department, although another pair of S 75’s would make a huge difference. Maybe in the future.
Having to cram that much furniture and equipment into that tiny room was pretty much like making lemonade out of a lemon….. only the lemonade came out unexpectedly well. (I really like the new Media room.)
Thanks for your interest.