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MJBeo: ... because how many tablets does one need?
... because how many tablets does one need?
The Moment is not a tablet!
It is a new/modern BeoSound - a music system, a concept for listening to/using music.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
The main advantage of the Moment over a standard tablet which would have the same software features is the hardware buttons.
Having to press the home button, swipe, find the "Moment" app (in the case you used another app in between), just to lower the volume because the phone is ringing is not a good experience.
The moment solves this beautifully.
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Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
bayerische: Beoworld is turning into a fanboy site. A place where different opinions can't be shared.
Beoworld is turning into a fanboy site. A place where different opinions can't be shared.
As a fan I can deal with criticism, but prefer them based on experience.
Having the experience with both iPad's and Android based tablets and therefore knowing the difference between the smoothnes of swiping, the only thing I hope for is, that it works flawless for what it is promising. No hitches on any audiostream or a stuttering usage.
Beobuddy:but prefer them based on experience.
Unfortunately the thing isn't in the shop yet. Shall we all stop posting until end of Jan on this subject?
Nope. not at all.
But I'm trying to avoid that the Moment will be turned down before it even had a change. As I said, I'm giving it my benefits.
Another thing I wonder is does the tablet communicates wireles through your own network or directly to it's own base/docking station. If it communicates only with it's base, and the base is hard-wired to your network, then I can imagine that the Moment works more stable.
(Having bad experiences with wireless iPad/Airport/Playmaker/router etc caused by many devices on the same band)
KMA:I think B&O should consider releasing a version of the MoodWheel / Moment's software as a Music Player App for iPad and Android. A paid (reasonably expensive) app of course — for those who have a tablet and want the intelligent music listening experience but not the Beosound Moment product itself, e.g. people who simply wish to Airplay / DLNA stream music to B&O Play products (and why not others) or listen via headphones. People who like the Moment's tactile physical aluminum / wooden wheel & finish and the device's design, and want the complete solution, could of course get the Beosound. It would be income from both software and hardware. "The most intelligent music player for your tablet." That could sell well as an app alone: there are a few hundred million tablets out there already, many used for playing music. Marketed correctly, the app could also introduce B&O to a new customer base, young & old, who'd learn to appreciate B&O's audio competences (or get to know B&O in the first place). It could serve as a first step to the world of both B&O and B&O Play. Oh, and B&O should definitely implement Puncher's version of the display / tablet integration for the Moment. It can't be a major overhaul to extend the aluminum front plate to cover the tablet's ugly bezels. KMA
I’ll give an opinion on the subject, though historically, I tend not to comment on any new products until I’ve see/used them in the real world. I break that rule for fun in light of present conversations.
Form factor. At 270 x 150 x 200mm, the on-display unit looks to be bigger and bulkier than the BS5. This to me makes the form look bulky. I think an indentation of the aluminum side panels by 20-30mm per side to undercut moveable panel would have made significant difference to the visual lightness of the product.
I am not sure of the design element of the black box. However, placing that at the rear would have made the unit look very classical 1980’s B&O and still provided the same internal space or connecting space.
There is questionable design though in the “B&O” logos on the product in my opinion. The seared on logo on the wood surface somehow detracts from the design. Placing that below the wooden “wheel” would be more esthetic. Same with the aluminum etching on the screen side. Branding on the contrast screen (white print) or slightly smaller font further below the volume wheel would be better in my opinion.
I like the wood. Having walnut, beech, black etc….would give it strong visual presence with some of the other recent wood-finished products.
In looking at the touch panel, I quite like the rounded edges of the screen and I think it looks better than a square-cut touch panel – even if it does look as if a GBP40.00 Amazon supplied 7 inch IPS touch screen kit has be dropped.
If commercially viable, I would have suggested a full black glass over-screen covering the touch pad and the volume control area would have looked better and cleaner. The Aluminum “binder” around the side would look as if it were holding a plate of glass and a plank of wood.
The Mood Wheel and Pattern play seem good USP concepts.
The real problems I have with the BS Moment is based on an assumption that we have all probably collectively held: - is that the Moment would become a flagship audio product. It is clearly not and seems to be an Encore replacement.
As per a previous comment, some of us went to WMA Lossless with the Beosound 5. That suited me well with my music preference (old fashioned ripping of CD’s) and my mobile format preference. It may not have suited others. There may be limitations to the firmware/OS B&O have used but having ALAC/FLAC and WMA Lossless (rather than a 320kbs limit) would have seem B&O producing a high quality music product. The kowtowing to lower grades of WMA and not allowing individuals to keep a single library of high (highest) quality music is a shame. My Nokia phone/BSM can easily swap/share the same lossless, one-quality-fits all files without any conversion.
This is “music quality” issue is also further emphasized in that the Moment cannot drive the B&O flagship BL5 loudspeakers via SPDIF (and nearly 12 years of experience tells me SPDIF to BL5 is superior in every conceivable way over Powerlink).
I am not sure how the product will integrate well with current AV range? Obviously no ML connects but apparently a LAN. Will it be an AM Master (obviously not with no internal storage) and what Role will/can it be configured at. My fear as mentioned above is that this is an ENCORE replacement. If so, then I hate so say it but this product will flop for that alone. Period.
So the BS/BM5 still remains the flagship. I would hope that B&O could release an update of the BM5 with the latest PC hardware and OS but that would be an entirely new product regardless with the same BS5 head unit (which I love btw and much prefer the non-touch screen contact style).
Failing a revamp there, one could only hope that new code via online updates could be incorporated in the BM5 for Pattern Play and Mood wheel. Pattern play seems to be a derivative of MOTS and Mood Wheel a new form of seeding. Both the Wheel and selection lever of BS5 could easily be configured (well maybe not for B&O) to select hue and wheel depth.
As it stands, probably not for me as my requirements are not met by its specifications. Prolonged streaming of audio (or visual) content on the fly with associated cost (internet provision more than Deezer/Spotify cost) has yet to appeal. However, when I get time, I will investigate more thoroughly at my Dealer to see if there is any worth.
Beobuddy: Another thing I wonder is does the tablet communicates wireles through your own network or directly to it's own base/docking station. If it communicates only with it's base, and the base is hard-wired to your network, then I can imagine that the Moment works more stable.
The tablet controller is to the base station/cradle, what the Essence 'wheely' is to the Essence box.
And both 'stations' have a webinterface, that can be reached by the BeoMusic app - and controlled.
Hardwiring a base/box is always the better solution!
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/da/beomusic?cc=DK
What they actually made is an alluminium A3 with touch surfaces for an excisting tablet and a fancy docking station. My iPad and iPhone are closer, capable of controling and even playing music. B&O wants to sell tactile music, which is a great vision, which should result in a great crafted and logical device. But their result is an wooden device (so far ok), that is removable from the docking (no function at all), which will be put with the screen up on the table. Your left with an tablet with aluminium case and an less then disirable dock.
Melt the beo5 controls with an shrunken Encore with touch, controllable by remote and app for every room and we have a winner.
They put the Essence idealogy, an easy to use and pass by and just tap to play, in a double sided device that still does not know its place.
L1NO: What they actually made is an alluminium A3 with touch surfaces for an excisting tablet and a fancy docking station.
What they actually made is an alluminium A3 with touch surfaces for an excisting tablet and a fancy docking station.
No, no, no!
They have created the center of the NL music-system!
If you still and absolutely want to use the iPad/iPhone, all you have to do is leave the 'tablet' on the 'fancy docking station' - i would suggest the tablet side facing up - and control that thing with the BeoMusic App.
PhilLondon: I hope B&O will make a lighter looking charger base and then one can hide the main box.
I hope B&O will make a lighter looking charger base and then one can hide the main box.
I wonder if one could pair the 'tablet' with the Essence box?
That's a thing I must explore
If you can, they ought to make your 'lighter looking charger base' for it
I don't realize where the old school haptic experience is found on the Beosound Moment. Ok, you can "knock on wood" ;-) and have the old aluminium volume wheel but there is absolutely NO MAGIC on this device.Some basic real buttons like on the Beosound 5 head unit or the Essence wheel would have been nice.I guess Mr. Davis Levis would never have agreed to this design! The "We have no idea how to make it, so let's simply throw a 7" inch Android tablet into the aluminium frame"-Solution is really embarrassing for a company with such a great history of audio-video works of art.Shame on B&O designers... it looks like a prototype of some kickstarter-crowdfunding-startup company!
It's really no wonder that B&O is falling down and Tue has no idea how to solve it. It's sad to see this from the B&O lover point of view. And as I stated a few years ago: I would still run B&O better than Tue and would make YOU people happy and proud of the brand again!
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Millemissen: L1NO: What they actually made is an alluminium A3 with touch surfaces for an excisting tablet and a fancy docking station. No, no, no! They have created the center of the NL music-system! If you still and absolutely want to use the iPad/iPhone, all you have to do is leave the 'tablet' on the 'fancy docking station' - i would suggest the tablet side facing up - and control that thing with the BeoMusic App. MM
I am going to use iPad and iPhone also and leave the tablet side facing up. How does Moment connect to a Beovision Avant? How is the AUX function started? I am going to connect a Beogram 7000 to the AUX connector. I think questions are better than complaints. Thanks MM
TWG:I would still run B&O better than Tue and would make YOU people happy and proud of the brand again!
linder:How is the AUX function started?
It was said the AUX was Auto-sense. But there's probably an AUX button as well.
linder:How does Moment connect to a Beovision Avant?
I think that'll be part of the multi-room update.
linder: How does Moment connect to a Beovision Avant? How is the AUX function started? I am going to connect a Beogram 7000 to the AUX connector. I think questions are better than complaints.
Those are (some of) my questions too.
I hope soon to have an answer - who knows more?
'the AUX' - I suppose (and hope) that it senses, when something is going on there. Just like the 'line-in' of the Playmaker does.
I'd be disappointed, if not.
I agree with TWG. My wife didn't like the new design too. She misses the magic, the luxury touch and the high-quality-glass-parts. It resembles too much a cutting board or a Landscape-iPod. Not a good start, if the woman acceptance factor is missing. But at least, she agreed to have a look on it.
I had heard from a dealer earlier this year that the Moment could be used on the network along with the BeoSound 5 and that we would not need to replace the BeoSound 5 with the Moment. I'm wondering if this is still the case and how that could work. It would seem feasible that there are enough BeoLink audio source commands still available for separate assignment. Of course, a NL converter would be needed. I could see how the Beo4 color buttons could be used for the "moods."
I'm also curious to see if B&O updates the BeoSound 5 to support ALAC now that the Moment can support ALAC.
beojeff:I had heard from a dealer earlier this year that the Moment could be used on the network along with the BeoSound 5
The Beomaster 5 is a DLNA server, so the Beosound Moment (and the Essence, and the A9) can stream its music from it.
Is there an upgrade for the beomaster 5 in the pipeline?
Looks like Beosound Moment is more focused on new potential customers than the ones with already more elaborate B&O installations. Current feedbacks in this thread also reflect that.
Aesthetically, I think this is very individual. I understand what people are saying with criticism about the tablet being just "thrown in". Also some people hate the wooden side. Funny, I am not a big wood lover but I still think it is wonderful. Similar like wood lamellas on Beolab 18.
More than anything - I need to see it live to make final conclusion whether it is beautiful or not. Feature-wise, it is exactly my dream device. :D
linder: Hiort, Did B&O mention if the WIFI was dual band 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz? Again thanks for the reporting.
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
I stand corrected. No dual-band support is not exactly dreamy. LOL
Shown the Moment to 6 of my friends now.
None of them likes it.
Too long to list....
bayerische:Shown the Moment to 6 of my friends now. None of them likes it. Too long to list....
The center of a NL music system does not exist any more! All music is decentralized in a way there are thousand of sources of which already any BV or Essence can control! With the updates a simple 'Join' command of a beo4 let's you listen in on any room which could play already any source. When i'm thinking about it, a beosound 'master' device does not sound logical any more. A BV steps in this arena with ease!
No, the center of a NL system is where you have music or want to get music from. This does not need another device marked as Master. B&O should make an NLGW device in a small touchscreen device for on the wall, multiple in a home as desired to control or review Home automation, music functions (like linking rooms). We have the Essence and extra we need an Artisan. A Beomaster. With wood.
bayerische: Shown the Moment to 6 of my friends now. None of them likes it.
oh well that seals it...you have shown a photo to your friends.
so many many opinions and yet almost no one has actually seen the product in the flesh. Why not reserve judgement until you have a little more insight.
propaganda: bayerische: Shown the Moment to 6 of my friends now. None of them likes it. r oh well that seals it...you have shown a photo to your friends. so many many opinions and yet almost no one has actually seen the product in the flesh. Why not reserve judgement until you have a little more insight.
Who's judging?
All I mentioned was that 8 people I know don't like the design, and borderline wonder what it is.
Give up the alienating post already will you?
Since when was an opinion based on Pics outlawed? ROFL!!!!
Should be "6". My browser, probably because of my "avatar" won't let me edit my posts. LOL
I agree with Bayerische. This new type of B&O looks VERY MUCH the same in reality as it does on these pictures - TOTALLY. An example, I only saw the Avant in London in mid December and yes, it looked IDENTICAL to how it did on BeoWorld and the B&O site. So, I'm with Bayerische all the way on this!
OK A car sometimes looks better in real life but c'mon this is the size on my MacBook - it's not a super model :)
Anyway, how lovely that this creating so much debate with the honest no BS guys and then with the fluffy covered B&O fanboys :) I'm thinking some would even buy my used underwear if I stuck a B&O logo on them :)
bayerische: propaganda: bayerische: Shown the Moment to 6 of my friends now. None of them likes it. r oh well that seals it...you have shown a photo to your friends. so many many opinions and yet almost no one has actually seen the product in the flesh. Why not reserve judgement until you have a little more insight. Who's judging? All I mentioned was that 8 people I know don't like the design, and borderline wonder what it is. Give up the alienating post already will you? Since when was an opinion based on Pics outlawed? ROFL!!!!
Of course you can have an opinion based on photos, but such opinion should be somewhat provisional. It is your downright negativity that bothers me. I would respect your opinion more if it were based on something more substantial. Why not wait a little, reserve judgement, have a more measured approach.
Paul W:I'm thinking some would even buy my used underwear if I stuck a B&O logo on them :)
I agree so far, as you don't have to see things "in the flesh" to like them.
I remember when the first Pictures of the Beolab 18 was released. I didn't like them. People here on on Beoworld wrote: Oh - but you must see them in real life...I did - and I still don't like them... " />However - I like the design of the new Avant - but I don't like the many faults..." />
-and I like what I have seen so far, when it comes to the new Moment.
propaganda: so many many opinions and yet almost no one has actually seen the product in the flesh. Why not reserve judgement until you have a little more insight.
vikinger: As I posted earlier, the form of an early beomaster with the touchscreen pad inserted would have been a much more elegant solution.
- You mean, like this: